Thread: I thought I was alone...

Originally Posted by EricinLA

To answer your question. I'm pretty much in complete control of my dreams when I want. I do whatever I want. Kind of like special get away vacation every night. I do let some dreams follow there own path to see where they lead. Every once in awhile I do not have 100% control. But that is very rare. If I do want to remember a dream completely. I will force myself to wake up from inside the dream. Then I can go back into another dream or continue where I left off. I fall asleep so quickly it doesn't affect my sleeping time. After reading more post here, I see so many people have trouble controlling. I remember some of the problems controlling in the beginning. Maybe I can help.

I certainly agree, most people here do not really understand the concepts of dream control and limit themselves with expectations. It's nice to see a fellow dreamer who has similar control to me in my dreams. Out of curiosity, what is your main method of controlling the dream? or does it come natural by now?. I see many people who focus on using mediums like wands in their dreams to circumvent their brains expectation that they themselves cannot control the dream, while it really is quite easy to achieve anything by just focusing and using clear logic.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I certainly agree, most people here do not really understand the concepts of dream control and limit themselves with expectations. It's nice to see a fellow dreamer who has similar control to me in my dreams. Out of curiosity, what is your main method of controlling the dream? or does it come natural by now?. I see many people who focus on using mediums like wands in their dreams to circumvent their brains expectation that they themselves cannot control the dream, while it really is quite easy to achieve anything by just focusing and using clear logic.

I just found this site less than a week ago. But after reading a lot of post from people it started to bring back memories of challenges I had the first few years of trying to control my dreams. I've posted a few to try to help some others on questions they have posted. Now it is just second nature. I don't even have to really try. I just do.

The better I got at it gave me more confidence and with more confidence I got even better. So now my mind knows I can do it so there is no more doubt. No doubt equals total control. But it took me over 30 years to get here. I started to get really good after about 10 years. But I was trying to learn on my own. I think other people could do it faster with the help of others that are more advanced.

Read some of my other posts. You will see some of the tricks I learned back at the beginning that helped gain control. I'm glad to answer any questions. At least I have some place to talk about this. If you mention this to friends, family or co-workers they think you are nuts or something.

I know the feeling of no one understanding, but I'm witnessing a change for the better. Some of my friends try to lucid dream and one has even succeeded. Even a few other people other people I know have learned about it. Generally it takes some type of kick-starter to get into lucid dreaming, there has to be some event or intent which really drives you to become good at it. A lot of people around me have accepted the idea of me lucid dreaming but still do not understand how real the dream world really is.

Originally Posted by dutchraptor

I know the feeling of no one understanding, but I'm witnessing a change for the better. Some of my friends try to lucid dream and one has even succeeded. Even a few other people other people I know have learned about it. Generally it takes some type of kick-starter to get into lucid dreaming, there has to be some event or intent which really drives you to become good at it. A lot of people around me have accepted the idea of me lucid dreaming but still do not understand how real the dream world really is.

I don't even know how old I was when I got started "Lucid Dreaming". It is such a long time ago. I only know for sure when I started to have some decent success at "Dream Control" which is 13/14 years old for Dream Sex. Over time it just became a challenge to try to get better and better control.

It also became like a mini vacation every night to just relax. I started to test myself later on. Like to try to force myself awake at will from inside a dream. I would also try to continue a dream I just ended by forcing myself awake. Everything now just comes naturally. I just think it and it happens. Is there something specific?

Originally Posted by EricinLA

I'm almost 48 now and have been doing this as far back as 13 or 14. I can't remember for sure. But when I was a horny little teen I can remember using it for dream sex. I think almost all my dreams now are lucid, which are a few a night. I don't know exactly how many for sure a night.

I'm not exactly sure what you mean by "dilate time"??? I know time in the dream passes way faster for me than in real life. I don't know if everybody's dream are the same. FYI: I've been told that I think very very fast. I kind of find in a normal conversion with people in real life I'm waiting for them to finish there sentences. When I was younger I use to interrupt them and looked really rude. I just thought I would mention that. It might have something to do with the speed of my dreams. But others might be dreaming the same speed. I have no way of knowing.

Haha, yeah. 13 and 14 year old dream land was a perverted place for me too, but I was never lucid during that, or it would have been a whole different experience.

Well... Most people that LD a lot try to dilate time. I know a fee that have methods to do it. Think about it this way:

In a dream you can do everything and anything. Including making a universe with different rules. Create one where a month in it is five minutes in the real world. Stay for a "month" wake up five minutes later.

Go to the control room of the universe you started the dream in and make time flow in comparison to how control you use. If you don't change much of the dream you can stay there a long time. If you are in a huge fight or something and need a lot of dream. Control you change the amount of time in dream.

^^this would be ways to do it. Some don't believe it is possible. Some swear that they have done it. I have not done it, but plan on doing it at a later point.

I used to believe the same thing as you in this, because I also think very fast and it seemed like it was always longed dream time than real time. But I am leaning more towards the fact that it is kind of random unless you change it. I have WILDed (entered straight from consciousness to sleep while keeping awareness) into a dream and five minutes later it was an hour. I have had a LD that seemed to last for a few hours and only 30 minutes passed.

I've always wondered how much "Real Time" passes as compared to "Dream Time". We both know that Dream Time passes much faster. But I could never figure out a way to judge time in a dream besides what I was doing. It is not like you can look a clock in the dream and take it as it accurate. LOL

There have been studies done of pre-arranged signals that lucid dreamers would send and then try to count you know like in real life to get a sense of time passing and then repeat the pre-arranged signals. And if I remember correctly those studies showed that it took the lucid dreamer the same amount of time to count a certain amount of seconds as in real time. I do not know whether a lucid dreaming experiment has been conducted already of taking an activity that takes a known longer amount of time in real time and takes a fairly consistent amount of time for this person, and similarly signaling before and after said activity from lucid dream into real life. I am thinking that for a lucid dreamer who knows how to play the piano for example and has memorized a long piece, or someone who has memorized and learned to recite an epic poem, those should be good activities because in waking time the amount of time it takes the same person to do that could be measured. Does anyone know whether they have done any such experiments with longer activities - as I said I know it has been done with just short basic counting of seconds and such.

Another such activity that I just thought of could be knitting or crocheting. A lucid dreamer who knows how to do it in real life could try to recreate that in a lucid dream. I know it takes me a fairly consistent amount of time in real life to crochet a granny square in an afghan of a pattern that I have reproduced which crocheting many times. So if I were to be hooked up in a dream lab, I could while lucid start crocheting, and see whether my pace seems to reproduce a consistent amount of time similar to real life. Of course right now I am out of practice in crocheting, and even more out of practice in lucid dreaming, so I could not do it right now, but I know it could be done and someday I should be capable of that.

Originally Posted by JoannaB

There have been studies done of pre-arranged signals that lucid dreamers would send and then try to count you know like in real life to get a sense of time passing and then repeat the pre-arranged signals. And if I remember correctly those studies showed that it took the lucid dreamer the same amount of time to count a certain amount of seconds as in real time. I do not know whether a lucid dreaming experiment has been conducted already of taking an activity that takes a known longer amount of time in real time and takes a fairly consistent amount of time for this person, and similarly signaling before and after said activity from lucid dream into real life. I am thinking that for a lucid dreamer who knows how to play the piano for example and has memorized a long piece, or someone who has memorized and learned to recite an epic poem, those should be good activities because in waking time the amount of time it takes the same person to do that could be measured. Does anyone know whether they have done any such experiments with longer activities - as I said I know it has been done with just short basic counting of seconds and such.

Another such activity that I just thought of could be knitting or crocheting. A lucid dreamer who knows how to do it in real life could try to recreate that in a lucid dream. I know it takes me a fairly consistent amount of time in real life to crochet a granny square in an afghan of a pattern that I have reproduced which crocheting many times. So if I were to be hooked up in a dream lab, I could while lucid start crocheting, and see whether my pace seems to reproduce a consistent amount of time similar to real life. Of course right now I am out of practice in crocheting, and even more out of practice in lucid dreaming, so I could not do it right now, but I know it could be done and someday I should be capable of that.

Interesting points.
Yes, that first experiment has been done by Stephen Laberge, but as someone here once said, they were not trying to change the time within the dream. That study showed that dream time can be the same as normal time, but it didn't prove the fact that lucid time has to be the same.

The second point is a good one. With some dream control you could lock yourself in a dream until you finish it and take your time doing a 40 hour task. Wake up at the end of the night 8 hours later. Something you should try. I am not a crocheter.

But how would you know that the time was actually different? If you expected it to be, then wouldn't it just seem like it because you wanted it to?

The problem with crocheting while lucid dreaming experiment is that it would essentially be the same experiment as the one LaBerge conducted only on a longer scale, since crocheting a known pattern involves counting (one counts stitches in each row, and one counts rows). I think the memorized piano piece and the reciting of a memorized poem would potentially have different results because you don't count while doing these activities, and thus it is a different experiment, I think. Anyway I think it would be worthwhile for someone to conduct this experiment on a much longer timescale then LaBerge and ideally not involving counting but an activity that for some other reason takes a fairly consistent amount of time in real life.

I've thought about this time issue before. I just feel when your mind it free (Not getting input from your senses) it runs much faster. So it kind of warps your reality of time. I don't think there is way to prove it or measure it. Everyone's reality and perception is their own. Your own POV.

Originally Posted by PlanesWalker

But how would you know that the time was actually different? If you expected it to be, then wouldn't it just seem like it because you wanted it to?

If it seemed like it was longer wouldn't that be all you need?

Originally Posted by BrandonBoss

If it seemed like it was longer wouldn't that be all you need?

I know by my own simple tests that "Dream Time" passes much faster than "Real Time". 5 minutes of "Real Time" while you're dreaming can seem like hours. I've tested this by waking myself up from a dream and looking a the clock before and after.