Advanced Dream Controllers Thread

[EricinLA]

Awesome! Let me know how it goes. Gotcha, when jumping into people, can you hear their thoughts? Can you lose yourself to them? also @RelaxAndDream, It is always retrospective for me, I never know that it is going to happen. Here is a thread I made about it once. http://www.dreamviews.com/beyond-dre...-girl-irl.html I don't know if I hear their thoughts. But sometimes I feel I have knowledge I wouldn't normally have. I wish I could retain it when I was awake. I've tried. Can't do it so far.

[Sageous]

I have heard from about 10 different people that full control can get boring. In fact, I don't try to have full control in them, I limit and restrict myself in my own dream world as well as giving DCs certain elements of control so that I don't have to deal with everything. I just get to go on my own adventure, either one I feel like at the time, or in my own dream world Zödra, and continue my quests and fun there with my created friends and enemies. Keep in mind, though, that full control only becomes tedious after you've practiced it for a while. Practicing full control and, more importantly, learning the state of mind required to practice full control without effort, is well worth doing for at least a little while. The path toward developing full control will help develop your general self-awareness and LD'ing quality, even if you never achieve it. So, besides being a very cool thing to do (at first), the ability to manage full control consistently is a very powerful tool to have in your lucid toolbox.

[Sensei]

I don't know if I hear their thoughts. But sometimes I feel I have knowledge I wouldn't normally have. I wish I could retain it when I was awake. I've tried. Can't do it so far. Sounds like a couple things for you to practice. I have these "false memories" As I call them, of their life up to that point and can root around in their brains. I can do the same thing when I become lucid. It doesn't seem to be something that is classified as "normal dream control", so it might be something that I shall keep developing, since I seem to have a knack for it. Keep in mind, though, that full control only becomes tedious after you've practiced it for a while. Practicing full control and, more importantly, learning the state of mind required to practice full control without effort, is well worth doing for at least a little while. The path toward developing full control will help develop your general self-awareness and LD'ing quality, even if you never achieve it. So, besides being a very cool thing to do (at first), the ability to manage full control consistently is a very powerful tool to have in your lucid toolbox. Thank you for the advice. I shall keep that in mind while developing my dream control.

[EricinLA]

I'm still looking for Advanced Dream Controllers. Anyone else care to chime in?

[alana]

Eric I feel like my lucid dreaming experiences and abilities sounds very similar to yours! In nearly all my dreams, I have always been somewhat aware that I am dreaming but most of the time I just choose to follow along with my dream as they unfold. In my dreams ever since I was younger, I have just had an underlying awareness that I was dreaming that would sometimes be reinforced by conversations I had with characters in my dreams about the fact I was dreaming. I then started controlling my dreams when I taught myself to wake up by choice. I learnt this weirdly by interacting with dream characters who very slowly taught me how to wake myself up and gave me dreaming advice ? This worked and I can still wake up from a dream at any point by just opening my eyes. I then learnt to control my dreams and my thought process is usually along the lines of.. 'Wouldn't it be funny if etc happened..' followed by my brain consciously triggering those events in my dream. Later on I also learnt how to change dreams and create dream landscapes by just imagining the new surroundings around me and I can fly/float across huge intricate landscapes. I also play out different scenarios that I am interested in, overcome fears and explore feelings and ideas that I normally wouldn't think about. For example, I was able to overcome countless fears after directly confronting them while dreaming. Usually though I just do 'free dreaming' as you call it and add or change things in the dream if I don't like the direction it's going in. The weirdest experiences I've had though is when I am able to feel my other senses while dreaming? Like on maybe one or two occasions I've been able to taste food and smell things despite being aware that I was dreaming and I shouldn't be able to smell/taste things but I was so surprised on those occasions that I woke myself up.. Anyone else ever have an experience like this?

[EricinLA]

Eric I feel like my lucid dreaming experiences and abilities sounds very similar to yours! Usually though I just do 'free dreaming' as you call it and add or change things in the dream if I don't like the direction it's going in. The weirdest experiences I've had though is when I am able to feel my other senses while dreaming? Like on maybe one or two occasions I've been able to taste food and smell things despite being aware that I was dreaming and I shouldn't be able to smell/taste things but I was so surprised on those occasions that I woke myself up.. Anyone else ever have an experience like this? I've found since I have such detailed control that things like smell and taste work "at will" most of the time. You have to want to taste or smell something. If not is like the senses don't exist. Sight, Hearing are always turned on. Touch is on/off depending on the situation is good or bad. Like in the beginning of my dream controlling decades ago things were in a shadowy black and white. Then I learned to dream in bright vibrant color. It is the same with the rest of the senses. After awhile is just second nature and it won't startle you awake.

[Wisher]

Id say i'm an lower-intermediate dream controller. Ive had all my senses in dreams. That is part of the fun, tasting in hyper-drive. Senses can by amazingly hyper-realistic in lucids. Also there were people who mentioned lucid dreaming the future. I had an idea months ago on how this could be done. From my experience when dream events came true it was usually a dream I found interesting, so my engagement was there. I was excited the event was happening to me. At the same time I had no attachment to the outcome. So it was cool to see this hot girl, but I wasnt attached one way or another if i ever saw her again. Or it was cool to see extra money in my account but I wasnt concerned if I had it there or not. So basically while lucid, dream life as you would like to see but do not be concerned with whether it happens or not. Appreiate the creation whether it will succeed or not in turning real. I think these times worked because it was highly relaxed (asleep and dreaming), highly focused (lucid conciousness is high awareness), and low resistance (no strong tug for or against the event happening). Maybe the positive emotion had something to do with it too. Anyway, a combination of these factors seemed to break my threshold between "dream" and "waking" allowing a dream to materialize as a future event. And just a final note. Godlike powers are awesome. I consider trancendence and erasing all of existence as godlike as well. Transcendental exp. may be the pinnacle of entertaining godlike powers. Things like eliminating time and space all together, or non-existing. And then to answer senseis questions i think any time a question starts with "can i" the answer is always yes. Oh and of course paradoxically also no, among other things.. I say this mostly because the language of the land of dreams is gibberish. Of course we can impose logic superficially but 2+2 can = duck. For the sake of conversation and answering your questions though I say yes, anything is possible.

[DannyCool]

All I can say is that all this stuff is awesome. I can relate to the dream control stuff getting boring and moving more into observing. Control seems to have kinda gotten me into trouble because I am just living my world and although I enjoy the control and happiness that comes from it people don't appreciate me just thinking about myself so I have got into the observing more now or you could say lucidity. That is why I want to learn how to be lucid all night in dreams from working on my awareness and more responding to how other people are rather than just how I can make the world. My empathy levels are low and I have just become bored with having control or it does not seem to be goal. Lucidity and awareness and understanding others and supporting them to find happiness too is the goal. Just like when you can become others in dreams we too are others and can support them and free us from thinking just about ourselves.

[EricinLA]

All I can say is that all this stuff is awesome. I can relate to the dream control stuff getting boring and moving more into observing. Control seems to have kinda gotten me into trouble because I am just living my world and although I enjoy the control and happiness that comes from it people don't appreciate me just thinking about myself so I have got into the observing more now or you could say lucidity. That is why I want to learn how to be lucid all night in dreams from working on my awareness and more responding to how other people are rather than just how I can make the world. My empathy levels are low and I have just become bored with having control or it does not seem to be goal. Lucidity and awareness and understanding others and supporting them to find happiness too is the goal. Just like when you can become others in dreams we too are others and can support them and free us from thinking just about ourselves. DannyCool, I have to say when you mentioned your "Empathy Level" being low. It rang a bell. Back in the early 90's I had gotten into something like that. I don't know if it was caused by me being a God 8 hours at night. At that time I wasn't really doing "Free Dreaming". I was controlling almost all aspects of my in precise detail. So I guess it was kind of messing with my real waking life for a short time. I was able to overcome that with the "Free Dreaming" and now if anything I feel more Empathy than ever for others. I have been told I'm an excellent person for feeling other people out in a very short time. Comes in handy. But I guess for a short time I might have been considered an "arrogant asshole". Another pitfall when you have full total control. I'm glad I was able to get past that and grow.

[Hukif]

Well, guess I could have been considered as part of that back in the day when I just learnt how to properly control dreams but found it boring far too fast. Not getting hurt ever is not fun, not having any real challenges is boring, in my opinion that was the worst part of my lucid dreaming. If I wanted a new planet? Just delete the one I was in and recreate it, already knew what every DC was doing and how they were going to move next and could basically do anything I wanted just by wishing it. Which lead to my very first few goals, one to destroy my own powers and make my world one with rules, regulations and "dangers" and the other being to learn how to defeat those seemingly "god like" creatures in a way that made sense. Been journaling through dream worlds for a while now ever since, but aside from being able to wake myself up at any given time, even wake half my body and keep the other half asleep don't meet any of the other two requirements any more. Still, I would be interested to hear about what things you have tried EricinLA.

[EricinLA]

Well, guess I could have been considered as part of that back in the day when I just learnt how to properly control dreams but found it boring far too fast. Not getting hurt ever is not fun, not having any real challenges is boring, in my opinion that was the worst part of my lucid dreaming. If I wanted a new planet? Just delete the one I was in and recreate it, already knew what every DC was doing and how they were going to move next and could basically do anything I wanted just by wishing it. Which lead to my very first few goals, one to destroy my own powers and make my world one with rules, regulations and "dangers" and the other being to learn how to defeat those seemingly "god like" creatures in a way that made sense. Been journaling through dream worlds for a while now ever since, but aside from being able to wake myself up at any given time, even wake half my body and keep the other half asleep don't meet any of the other two requirements any more. Still, I would be interested to hear about what things you have tried EricinLA. I have tried about everything you can think of over my 40 years of Lucid Dreaming. The one thing that I haven't been able to accomplish is connecting with someone else in a dream with definitive proof. If you have a specific question. Shoot?

[Hukif]

Sure thing, have you tried exploring animal senses? Such as Echolocation, the sharks sense of electricity or such? Expanding conciousness around a dream without being "one" with the dream, or making persistent realms? Right now these are the things that interest me.

[EricinLA]

Sure thing, have you tried exploring animal senses? Such as Echolocation, the sharks sense of electricity or such? Expanding conciousness around a dream without being "one" with the dream, or making persistent realms? Right now these are the things that interest me. In Total Control I can be aware of everything around me 360 degrees and also things that are in other locations at the same time. Kind of an Omnipresence. I have unlimited senses (not just the 5 humans have). Knowing and sensing everything, everywhere. God Mode. Not easy to explain. Including knowing the future, reading minds or whatever I want. After I have been doing it for years I would wonder how God doesn't get bored. Maybe he is just in Free Dreaming mode himself now.

[Sageous]

... I would wonder how God doesn't get bored. Maybe he is just in Free Dreaming mode himself now. I wouldn't be surprised...

[Hukif]

In Total Control I can be aware of everything around me 360 degrees and also things that are in other locations at the same time. Kind of an Omnipresence. I have unlimited senses (not just the 5 humans have). Knowing and sensing everything, everywhere. God Mode. Not easy to explain. Including knowing the future, reading minds or whatever I want. After I have been doing it for years I would wonder how God doesn't get bored. Maybe he is just in Free Dreaming mode himself now. Oh no, omniprescence is another thing altogether. I'm talking more about using specific senses that exist on other species of animals, rather than just feeling everything. I have done the former with ease, but the later proved to be more of a challenge, in other words trying to feel the world outside of the human perspective. Well, if I were a thing like a god, I would simply devoid myself of the feeling of boredom and keep going. In fact have taken away certain emotions inside of dreams to see how that goes for the time being, have you done something similar? And what about a persistent world in dreams?

[EricinLA]

Oh no, omniprescence is another thing altogether. I'm talking more about using specific senses that exist on other species of animals, rather than just feeling everything. I have done the former with ease, but the later proved to be more of a challenge, in other words trying to feel the world outside of the human perspective. Well, if I were a thing like a god, I would simply devoid myself of the feeling of boredom and keep going. In fact have taken away certain emotions inside of dreams to see how that goes for the time being, have you done something similar? And what about a persistent world in dreams? I don't limit myself in a dream. It took too long to gain the ability of control. Going from Black & White to Vivid Color. From No Control... To Some Control... To Full Control. I don't see the point of limiting the experience by being an animal or going back to black and white. "Persistent World"... I create the World each time or let it evolve around me. Then change it as needed. It is in your mind so it will be what you want it to be. Evolve the way you want it to evolve. It doesn't have a life of it's own when you are awake. It's not an online video game. It can't be... It doesn't really exist. It is created in your dream and vanishes when you wake up. You can go back into the same dream and continue... but that is about it.

[Hukif]

So you haven't really tried everything? limitations is a part of dreaming too which I find very fun to work with, different opinions I guess. Anyway I am interested in exploring the way of dreams further away than just the normal "sleep/awake". For example using a dream to study maths or other things, to practice certain body movements and see if it becomes better in waking and so on, to experiment and was wondering if you did the same, but that's it. Also, I never said it had to "really exist", just using the terminology that exists here in DV. I know that it is created whenever you go to sleep, it is just that I created a set of rules that allows it to get the illusion of being a "persistent" realm; really get confused when people try to take everything in a literal way when speaking about dreams, thats strange. I would think that dreams are more about being creative and challenging your own mind, rather then aiming for the top and just hitting a wall.

[EricinLA]

So you haven't really tried everything? limitations is a part of dreaming too which I find very fun to work with, different opinions I guess. Anyway I am interested in exploring the way of dreams further away than just the normal "sleep/awake". For example using a dream to study maths or other things, to practice certain body movements and see if it becomes better in waking and so on, to experiment and was wondering if you did the same, but that's it. Also, I never said it had to "really exist", just using the terminology that exists here in DV. I know that it is created whenever you go to sleep, it is just that I created a set of rules that allows it to get the illusion of being a "persistent" realm; really get confused when people try to take everything in a literal way when speaking about dreams, thats strange. I would think that dreams are more about being creative and challenging your own mind, rather then aiming for the top and just hitting a wall. I think you are at the place I was at around 35 years ago when I was around 15 years old. I did try the animal thing before Total Full Control. But it was so boring... You will see. The ultimate is "Free Dreaming". Let the dream evolve around you and let it take it's natural course with no to little interruptions from yourself. You will learn a lot about yourself. I now have a almost Monk like calmness that people always notice. Also, it is really weird... but sometimes I dream of things that comes true later. I don't understand that part myself. Just keep exploring and push the boundaries. The most important thing is too enjoy yourself. It shouldn't feel like work. Have fun. P.S. You can't bring school like learning in Math or other things back to the waking world. You can solve specific problems you are dealing with in waking life and bring the solution back. I have done that over and over. Good Luck.

[Hukif]

Ok, which senses did you try? Again I see just different opinions as I quite like to use non-human senses even now and dislike free dreaming; one does not have to use free dreaming to learn a lot about oneself. I also have dreamt of future events and can acuratelly "predict" (More like read) events around the room I'm sleeping in by recreating them inside the dream using the external stimuly my body gets. Did my post make it seem like I feel like working in dreams? If so I apologize because I do enjoy what I do, otherwise wouldn't go around it; it seems to me you are misunderstanding. Especially because your PS says the very same thing I said, learning =/= studying. And again, you have not done everything if you haven't worked with limitations after full control. Maybe it seems silly to you, but to me just sitting in total control of the dream is like seeing a wall and not wanting to get past it because the world behind is far more comfortable than what lies ahead. Like I said, different opinions but to me that is one boring way to use dreams to further challenge ones own creativity and further advance both in dreams and real life. And before anyone misunderstands, I'm not stating that free dreaming can/is not the ultimate. In my view there is no definite ultimate, just stating the way I like to do things, if for you free dreaming is the pinnacle of dreaming then thats cool; just always trying to understand more about the way other people dream and how they go about challenging themselves.

[Sageous]

Hukif makes a good point, Eric, and one I've thought about a few times while following this thread. Though I am a fan of Free dreaming (or going with the flow, as I call it), I really do not think it is the best tool for exploration for an advanced LD'er; indeed, you can learn just as much about yourself simply by remembering NLD's, as can anyone. As a dreamer with 40 years' experience myself (I must change my profile before it's 50), I've found that using my skills to push the envelope of consciousness and spiritual experience -- to basically attempt to go where I've never been before -- is far more valuable than simply participating in the dream without making any input or alteration. And as an aside, God-like power to me is more of a valuable tool for avoiding boredom than it is a cause for boredom. What are we missing here?

[EricinLA]

Hukif makes a good point, Eric, and one I've thought about a few times while following this thread. Though I am a fan of Free dreaming (or going with the flow, as I call it), I really do not think it is the best tool for exploration for an advanced LD'er; indeed, you can learn just as much about yourself simply by remembering NLD's, as can anyone. As a dreamer with 40 years' experience myself (I must change my profile before it's 50), I've found that using my skills to push the envelope of consciousness and spiritual experience -- to basically attempt to go where I've never been before -- is far more valuable than simply participating in the dream without making any input or alteration. And as an aside, God-like power to me is more of a valuable tool for avoiding boredom than it is a cause for boredom. What are we missing here? I did the animal thing long before I was in so called "God Mode". It wasn't much of a challenge. It was only interesting for a short time. But I do get bored easily. Every night I can create any World, be anything, do anything with no real effort. I can wake myself up at anytime and go back to sleep in a couple minutes. I can be half awake and asleep in the dream. I could go on. I don't understand why Hukif would want to limit his senses. I've actually created new more advanced senses (can't explain) in my dreams. Maybe I'm at a different level and I'm not getting my point across. The stuff he is talking about I did decades ago. Been there, done that. You?

[Hukif]

I have used far more senses than just the normal ones and created new ones too, that was not my point. Have to ask, do you feel like I'm attacking you or something? You have this attitude of "I'm leagues above you so stop". I have created countless different universes in dreams too, done time dilation in each of them and experienced life as if I was something other than a human or a known being, don't see why that will make my point stronger or weaker though. In your words, I could easily say "been there, done that" with the full control of dreams and creating any worlds and being anything with no real effort, but again that is not the point. You have been dodging half my questions; guess if you don't want to talk to me thats fine too, I'm not trying to make this a competition so oh well. Have a nice day Eric!

[Wisher]

Yo, So, my responses on this subject I can understand are a bit abstract, but why do you as advanced dream controllers still believe in a reality outside of yourself? Do you ADCs still think reality is a thing? True question. Why or why not?

[FinnTheFlobot]

Hey, So I've always heard that sensations can be much more intense in dreams. Does this mean that if someone is decent at control they could make themselves feel euphoria and bliss beyond anything imaginable in waking life? Can this be overwhelming? Has anyone tried crawling into really random places like couches or a DCs mouth just to see where you end up? Do you ever make your dreams really trippy and abstract like you're having a strong psychedelic experience? I know you all can control DCs and what not but have you been able to split your conscious and control multiple people at the same time? I'm sorry if these seem really basic, they probably do lol, i just have a million questions like these and I'm curious what people's experiences are Peace

[Sageous]

Here are a couple of thoughts, even if they're ones you guys might not want to hear: Wisher: ...but why do you as advanced dream controllers still believe in a reality outside of yourself? "Believe" seems an odd word choice to me, since reality is the thing that remains after all belief is removed from the equation. Anyway: for me, I "believe" in reality these days just as much as ever, if not more. Lucid dreaming is almost by definition the acceptance or understanding that the place you are in during a dream is not real. Even if you are the type who wants to believe that you are visiting other dimensions or planes of existence, you will tend to call those places alternate realities, and still reserve actual reality for the place you arrive at upon waking; when dreams seem "realer than real," you are still using reality as the baseline for comparison. Also, keep in mind that the time that you truly believe that a dream is reality comes when you are not lucid; it is lucidity that both reminds ou that the actual world is somewhere beyond your dream, and allows you to bring a bit of realtiy into the dream, in the form of memory and waking-life self-awareness. On top of all that, when you step into the really advanced stuff and start encountering whole new states of existence or experience, these states complement or improve on reality, they do not diminish it; if anything, they increase your appreciation for the Big Picture, the Grand Scheme of Things, or Reality Itself... and, of course physical reality is a part of Reality itself. So: reality is still reality, regardless of how advanced your LD adventures might become... at least for me. Do you ADCs still think reality is a thing? This one does. Why? Because I wake up; and when lucid I know I will be waking up into the real world, into a place that (unlike my dreams) existed long before I did, and will exist long after I am gone. Finn: Hey, So I've always heard that sensations can be much more intense in dreams. Does this mean that if someone is decent at control they could make themselves feel euphoria and bliss beyond anything imaginable in waking life? Can this be overwhelming? First, I personally think that bliss and euphoria are way overrated. But yes, I do believe that transcendental LD's can indeed take you to levels of consciousness that might not exist in waking life. Has anyone tried crawling into really random places like couches or a DCs mouth just to see where you end up? No, but I think if you do so you will very likely end up exactly where you expect to end up. Do you ever make your dreams really trippy and abstract like you're having a strong psychedelic experience? Not on purpose -- but isn't that sort of what dreams are in the first place? And, again, psychedelic experiences tend to be exactly what you expect them to be, should you conjure them yourself... it might be better to reserve the psychedelic stuff for NLD's, when you can believe that all this stuff is real. I know you all can control DCs and what not but have you been able to split your conscious and control multiple people at the same time? I've never done this, and I'm not sure that it honestly can be done. Splitting your self-awareness (what I think would need to be split) into multiple separate characters might be too much of a challenge to your identity... there can really only be one "You." Since your self-awareness cannot be split without becoming something much different than self-awareness (multiple personality disorders comes to mind), I would say that it probably cannot be done, and might not really be worth trying. That said, if I misunderstood you and you were really asking if I've ever bounced my perception around among multiple DC's in a dream, where "I" was in one separate DC at a time (and not several at once), then yes, I've done that often, and it is definitely fascinating == especially if you are entering DC's to experience what it is like to be them (i.e., an opposite sex DC, and enemy DC, or perhaps an animal DC). All that said, aren't we already sort of splitting our consciousness (though not our self-awareness) every time we non-lucidly dream? After all, DC's as creations of our unconscious, are handed what is arguably a piece of consciousness in order to participate in the dream plot. So in a sense we are splitting our consciousness every time we dream, even of we're not doing it on purpose.