Thread: My Perspective On Dreams (and How To You Can Be A God)

What would you believe if you had a dream where you were going to save your mom and she said "Dont waste your time, its not real, it doesnt matter if you save me or not because you are dreaming"?

Originally posted by Awhislyle
What would you believe if you had a dream where you were going to save your mom and she said "Dont waste your time, its not real, it doesnt matter if you save me or not because you are dreaming"?

then I would believe that what happens in a dream doesn't matter, or did you miss my point?

Originally posted by BillyBob_001

different people have different experiences/ beliefs that they accidentally bias everything in their dreams on, just as he was about to fly away and let the monster kill his mom his subconscious kicked in with a little guilt, this led to him doubting the fabric of the dream reality and thinking that it was partly based in waking life, which then led to his moms philosophical words and him going on a guilt trip letting the dream get the best of him...
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(_ (sorry just had to put what I read just ignore that if you want )
anyway I would have just let her die personally, even if she had said all that stuff to me, all she was, was a mental construct of how you would think the consciousness that is your mom would react in that situation... it was in no more your mom than the "space" that you were flying away from it in...

He? I'm a woman. And no, youre wrong! Thats not what happened. So according to you, my dream mom was a mental image of how I believe my mom would react...?? I'm sorry, I didn't clarify enough. Let me explain again.

Ok..so heres a MONSTER. A monster is about to rip her apart into pieces, and instead of screaming for her bloody life - she screams at ME. This is...realistic??? This is how people act? They start screaming at you instead? There was nothing short of realistic of how she acted. She did not act like my mom. My mom would just scream nonsense and probably have a heart attack before anything. My dream mom continued to scream at ME even when the monster was frozen in mid-air. She was angry at ME, as if I too was the monster about to eat her - I must have been!

And when we carried out our conversation and she spoke - I SPOKE. Her words became MY words. And I was CONSCIOUS when this happened. I did not feel I was saving my mom, but I felt the very THOUGHT of saving my mom is what mattered. And when youre THINKING about doing something, whats in your head will never be the real objects, will it?

meh, i guess most people really don't want to figure out how dreams are created... i guess it could take alot of the fun and mystery out of them [/b]

What fun and mystery have you taken out of dreaming? I'm sorry. But I don't see it. Nothing you have said has shocked me, stunned me, or taken away any mystery or fun. All you have proven is that the dream is created by your subconscious. What do you think? That were all stupid and we believe the dream is created by the tooth fairy??

Do you think that if we understood you that our dreams would start to fall apart too? It sounds like you do......... But what will you say to people when they tell you their dream..DIDN'T?? Or what will you say to people if they CONSCIOUSLY go along with a dream. Will you tell them "YOU DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHAT A DREAM IS! DO NOT PASS GO."............I hope not, dont let yourself have that attitude

If you REALLY understood what the subconscious mind is, you'd understand reading this thread isn't going to make dreams fall apart, isn't going to make dreams meaningless, isn't going to take away any mystery and it surely isn't going to take away any fun. No.

Your subconscious shapes your dreams, and you shape your subconscious with YOUR beliefs and thoughts. And I believe in God. And I believe in messages. And I believe thoughts are things. Thoughts manifest. Thoughts become actions. This is my religious belief - morality starts with your thoughts, not actions. My subconscious is already MOLDED with these beliefs.

full circle, where do my subconscious/conscious thoughts manfiest??????

and where do yours?

I don't think she was angry, just clarifying her point. You seemed to take defense to her saying that just because you think your right, doesn't make you so. But enough of me being her frigging lawyer, I tend to agree with both of you. I think in this case it is a matter of perspective on what your expectations of a dream are.

Lucid dreaming to my belief is of course an enviorment manifested by our subconcious and potentially influenced unconciously by our subconcious. Which is why lucid dreaming is potentially dangerous, because nicking a repressed trauma in a dream could really mess someone up. The reverse is true for healing said trauma.

Lucids aren't a dandy amusement park, it can get pretty fucked up depending on your life experiences

Very interesting Billy Bob. . . I enjoyed reading it and found that you managed to phrase a few things in a way I hadn't fully considered before. Thank you.

Well... I find nothing new in this "theory"... just an age-old opinion on visualisation in LD.. can't find any worth in it at all..

So what makes you a "god", billybob?

I think he was saying that everyone that has complete control of their lucid dreams is a "god"of their own world . . . I for one have almost no control in my LDs so I found his essay helpful, inspirational, and an enjoyable read.

Originally Posted by Oneiro

Well... I find nothing new in this "theory"... just an age-old opinion on visualisation in LD.. can't find any worth in it at all..

So what makes you a "god", billybob?
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Because he's a genius at WILDing. Not everyone can become lucid whenever they want.

Don't be silly.. he's not a genius, nor is he very advanced. He's very low down the scale.

how would you know? he has adopted alot of people and helped many others i would say that is pretty advanced

Good post, however, that's alot harder done then you make it seem. I've had plenty of LDs since joining and I still suck at controlling them. I'm still so bound to physical reality that I can't even fly properly in my lucids many times (I got hovering down, but flying is still a no go).

But I can't get myself to believe that dreams are an illusion just to keep us busy. If our brains really wanted to keep us busy, we would just be in deep sleep the whole the way through - that's the easiest way for the brain to keep us busy and perform its repairs.

full circle, where do my subconscious/conscious thoughts manfiest??????[/b]

I have to agree with that. Nothing in this universe can happen without cause, but apparantly our thoughts do, so there has to be more then what basic physics has taught us. [Electric signals are not a valid reason, doesn't matter if thoughts cause the electric signals to appear in the brain, or if the electric signals in the brain cause the thoughts, either way, something has to cause the first of the two to happen]

Originally Posted by juroara

I was once in a lucid dream, and in the dream my family was around. I was looking at my dream mom, looking at all the detials. I was amazed at how life like she was. A monster came, monsters are fun, I think dreams are boring without them! And I started to fly away, leaving my dream mom prey for the monster. To my SURPRISE, she started screaming at ME. I turned around mid-air to look at my dream mom. Before I can even say "Youre not real. Stop screaming!" My dream mom screamed "The choices you make in a dream are real."
This caught me off guard. The monster, right behind my mom was frozen in time. I looked at my dream mom and said "What the hell did you just say??? You're not real! .... Why am I even talking to you..."
And my dream mom went on to say "You are real. Your actions are real. Your feelings are real. Your thoughts are real. Your choices are real. Therefore what you do to me MATTERS."
The conversation was utterly freaky. <- see here? that was my face&#33;
I echoed what my dream mom said. Becuase as you have said, the dream is you. Her words became my words. "What you do in a dream matters, becuase your choices and actions are real". I took this as a grain of truth, and still do today.
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Holy flipping crap. Just reading that took me off guard.

Hey, is it okay if I quote the bolded sentence and put it in my signature? I&#39;ll credit you and stuff.

Aside from the debate on whos right about what dreams are... i&#39;d like to add that in my opinion a person&#39;s mindset will help/hinder their ability to lucid dream, and that a working personal technique/believe is all that matters when striving for lucidity.

I&#39;m inclined to think thal you can just let lucid dreams come to you, and if they don&#39;t then its just not supposed to happen yet.

Interesting topic&#33; And though I have had great control for decades I found inspiration in both billybob&#39;s and juroara&#39;s posts.

Billybob - I disagree about spinning for teleporting. I do agree that in theory all you do is change the dream scene, but that&#39;s easier said than done especially if it&#39;s a very complex, vivid and emotional scene. Spinning is like a scene transition in a movie - like going through a door, mirror, closing your eyes etc. The spin erases the current scene allowing the next to spring into the void. It also has ritual significance and thus power, in my dream world belief system. Plus its more convenient than going through a door - especially if there are none&#33;

I didnt really get a chance to read all of it because seemed like you edited alot of it out.. But its amazing that I agree with what you said.
I have learned that I can do whatever I want in my dreams, anything I want to do, I just think it. I want someone there, I make them there. I want the whole scenario gone. Its gone. I want something to float or move with my mind, it moves. But that takes the fun out of dreaming.
Now most of the time when I LD and DC I just go along with the story, and just give myself little stuff like ability to move stuff with my mind, or ability to fly and super strength; all while going along with my dream story.