Thread: Please explain how to "roll out"

Ookay firstly the vibrations shouldn't be painful

Secondly, you should only 'roll out' or fly out or get out of bed or how ever you do it when you are lucid - it takes practive but the dream should be forming and you should be aware then you have gone from being awake to dreaming.

Adam.

Adam, thanks, but really the vibrations hurt. Starts as a buzzing then intensifies and feels like an electric current running through my body. I am lucid at this point and aware of my bedroom although not everything is in its right place so I know I'm dreaming and not awake. I was just hoping there was an easier way of changing the whole scene while remaining lucid.
I read your article on WILDING which was most interesting. For me these spontaneous LDs happen when I'm extremely physically tired.

From my understanding, you just imagine rolling over without actually moving.. and if you are dreaming, you actually will roll over and out. I personally have never tried this since I think starting an LD like this would be quite freaky ;P

Also, the vibrations you're looking for happen while you are still awake, not while dreaming. I have never experienced them being painful. Although, it is possible to be in pain if you are tensing up. Just try to relax. If you are experiencing painful vibrations when you know you are dreaming, it's easy enough to make them stop ;P

Rolling out is my method of choice, sometimes it can feel like electric, sometimes the next day I'll have a little bit of pain in my neck from it. But if you try to relax your body fully and use very little force it shouldn't be painfull. Also once you are in a dream you can still feel vibrations, the less force you use to roll out the better. Also when I roll out, I do it the second I wake up from sleep, I think its easier that way. Sometimes rolling out wont work, so sometimes I try sinking through the bed, or imagine that someone is pulling me out, or use the vibrations to kinda make me float out.

You don't have to do it at the height of vibrations, sometimes I feel very minimal vibrations. After I roll out, and stand up and expect myself to be in a dream, and thats what happens.

Ludacris explains this process very simply in his song entitled "Roll Out (My Business)"

Once the vibrations set in, imagine yourself rocking back and forth while staying totally relaxed and you will eventually find your visualization translated into the sensation of motion. Increase the rocking until you turn completely over.

Recently, I've found that I can turn over continuously until I'm spinning like a top and then just treat it like LaBerge's "spinning to prolong lucid dreaming" technique. I spin while repeating to myself "I'm dreaming." and soon find myself in a lucid dream.

Originally Posted by kaeraz

Ludacris explains this process very simply in his song entitled "Roll Out (My Business)"

Yes. Yes. Yes.

I do not consider myself an expert on WILDing but from what i can get from DV and my own experiences, here is my theory. There are 2 types of WILDers. there are those who use HI or sensation or something to create a dream. and then just join the dream. Then there are people who treat it like a false awakening and start out just in their bed. for me, i do the second. i feel vibrations or a falling sensation and then it stops. i just sit up and look at my clock. after about 3 seconds something weird will happen and i will be lucid. so my WILDs all start with me in my bed. also, when i am first in my dream, my hands usually feel tingly or numb prickly at first. kind of like a tremor after the vibrations. so i think you have to find out what works best for you.

Method 1: make a scene
pros: dont have to start in bed, HI and sensations can be pretty cool
cons: you can fail while trying to draw yourself into HI and it can take longer

Method 2: just roll over or sit up
pros: it is easy to just sit up and not have to draw yourself into a dream
cons: if you are still awake when you sit up, you have to start over WILDing

Originally Posted by Shirls

Adam, thanks, but really the vibrations hurt. Starts as a buzzing then intensifies and feels like an electric current running through my body. I am lucid at this point and aware of my bedroom although not everything is in its right place so I know I'm dreaming and not awake. I was just hoping there was an easier way of changing the whole scene while remaining lucid.
I read your article on WILDING which was most interesting. For me these spontaneous LDs happen when I'm extremely physically tired.

I've experienced this to, it starts with vibrations and if you stay in them to long it starts to hurt, a lot. The worst time was when some time ago I fell into some paralyzed awakening state where I basically couldn't move. Still, I could dimly see my room and the jolts and pain where there, I have never felt more afraid I tell you. However I agree with Amelaclya, you have to relax basically, don't fight it since this will only make it worse to the point where you wake up. Maby you can try using somekind of lucid meditation to get away from it like try imagining a switch or something being switched of.

I never knew what this was called, but instead of rolling out of bed, i usually imagine playing tennis or basketball, or simply doing some taekwondo moves or something.. I usually dont feel any vibrations, just a feeling of leaving the body and the phantom body coming to experience what I am imagining. Ive only felt the pain of sleep paralysis once, but that was enough. Maybe it occurs when you havnt relaxed the body enough before sleep?

Oh shoot, so what I'm experiencing is sleep paralysis and not lucid dreaming at that point? I am greatly comforted by what some one said somewhere about realizing that there is nothing to be afraid of. I think that by being frightened by the pain I manage to conjure up scary dreams instead of interesting ones. I WILL learn to relax.

If I understand what you mean by "rolling out" correctly, it would be what I call "shaking loose a dream body"

I use this sometimes when I reach the Hypnogogic State, in between sleep and wakefulness. You will usually see visuals or hear things, but you still retain enough consciousness to know you are not dreaming. You will also be aware of of your body laying in bed at this point.

From here I try to swing my arms and legs, but not my real ones. It strange being aware of my real body and a phantom one at the same time. I find arms and legs easier to separate from your real body than your torso and head. So starting with your arms and legs, just swing them around with more and more momentum until the rest of your dream body tears free from your real one. At this point, you've fully entered into dreaming, and you should still be aware enough to know you're dreaming. It helps if there is something moving in you HI visuals that you can move in rhythm with.

I never experience vibrations.

I never experience vibrations.[/QUOTE]

Originally Posted by Shirls

Oh shoot, so what I'm experiencing is sleep paralysis and not lucid dreaming at that point? I am greatly comforted by what some one said somewhere about realizing that there is nothing to be afraid of. I think that by being frightened by the pain I manage to conjure up scary dreams instead of interesting ones. I WILL learn to relax.

Well I think it would only be considered sleep paralysis if you are unable to move your physical body. Sleep paralysis isn't a prerequisit to rolling out, or shaking loose a dream body as the cusp put it. I would describe it as being awake and dreaming at the same time, sometimes I can see my room and a dream at the same time. I would consider it a lucid dream when you are entirley in your dream body and no longer aware of your physical body, but you can choose to define what exaclty a lucid dream is how ever you want.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

I never experience vibrations.

If you were interested in feeling vibrations, I think I know how to induce them. Try imagining that you are squeezing an imaginary ball, see how much force you can put into squeezing without moving your physical hand. Then any time you wake up in the middle of the night try doing the same squeezing thing with your entire body. Sometimes this helps me get my dream body loose more easily.

I suppose you could imagine rolling out of your body to begin a lucid dream after WILDing, but that's not the way I do it. I perform the action of getting out of my bed as I would if I was awake, but since I'm under SP and am actually dreaming at that point, I'm really getting out of my "dream bed" to begin the lucid dream. I just find it more effective than imagining because its like you're actually doing an action.

That's the only kind of "rolling-out" I've heard of.

Originally Posted by Metaphyz1k

I suppose you could imagine rolling out of your body to begin a lucid dream after WILDing, but that's not the way I do it. I perform the action of getting out of my bed as I would if I was awake, but since I'm under SP and am actually dreaming at that point, I'm really getting out of my "dream bed" to begin the lucid dream. I just find it more effective than imagining because its like you're actually doing an action.

i do this too. after i feel vibrations and i feel like i am still awake, i do the throat RC. (where you do a swallowing motion but you hold it in mid-swallow. try it right now and you should not be able to breathe. this works well because it involves very little movement.) so then if that says i am dreaming, then i just sit up like normal and go about my lucid business.

Originally Posted by AmazeO XD

That's the only kind of "rolling-out" I've heard of.

Lul. Optimus Prime.