Thread: How to Dilate Time

Originally Posted by moonshine

In point of fact I can claim time dilation doesn't exist precisely because I understand the concept of time.

You on the other hand seem to be struggling.

Saying you understand the concept of time does not explain the concept of time. Thanks for proving my point and making me laugh really hard.

Edit: You fail to realize, it is both possible to dream in real time, and to dilate time. You seem to be confused by experiments which show dream time is the same as real time, but there have not been any experiments where people have tried to dilate time on purpose. This is what this thread is about. Time dilation, not normal dream time. Many people among us, including me, have experimented with time dilation, and we are here to tell you that these experiments were successfull. Lucid dreaming is a new field in science, and we are the pioneers, not the scientists.

http://amos.indiana.edu/library/scripts/dreamtime.html

many people believe that hours' worth of events and activities can be dreamed about in a matter seconds. Despite this common belief about how we dream, time in dreams actually is not compressed. If you dream of an activity that would take five minutes in waking life, you probably dream about it for a full five minutes.

Dream and sleep researcher William Dement conducted two studies that demonstrated that dream time was similar to real time. Because dreamers' eyes move under their eyelids very rapidly while they are dreaming, Dement was able to monitor sleepers and record the length of their dreams by observing their rapid eye movement.

After recording this information, Dement would wake dreamers and have them write down a description of their most recent dream. He assumed that longer dreams would take more words to describe than shorter ones. When he compared the number of words in each dream report with the number of minutes the dream had occurred, he found that the longer the dream, the more words the dreamer used to describe it.

In another related experiment, Dement woke sleepers while they were dreaming and asked them how long they perceived their most recent dream had taken. Eighty-three percent of the time they perceived correctly whether their dreams had been going on for a long time or for a short time. With these experiments, Dement concluded that time in dreams is nearly identical to time in waking life.

So the next time in your dreams you slay a dragon or fly from your house to your workplace, the amount of time it seemed to take is probably just about how long it actually took to dream it.

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Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Saying you understand the concept of time does not explain the concept of time. Thanks for proving my point and making me laugh really hard.

What point would that be?
That asking amorphous pretentious questions can serve as a smokescreen?

Looks like you scored a toofer:-
http://www.johntreed.com/debate.html

intellectually-dishonest debate tactics:
Changing the subject: debater is losing so he tries to redirect the attention of the audience to another subject area where he thinks he can look better relative to the person he is debating

Theatrical fake laughter or sighs: This is wordless but it says what you just said is so ridiculously wrong that we must laugh at it. It is intellectually dishonest and devoid of any intelligence, facts, or logic.

How about you try and explain the "concept of time" champ, then we'll talk

That is dream time. Not lucid dream time. Big difference. If you have control over your dream, you can dilate time easily.

Originally Posted by moonshine

How about you try and explain the "concept of time" champ, then we'll talk

Hahaha, this is too funny. You are asking me to explain you the concept of time because you don't understand time but still you claim time dilation is bullshit?!

It's like not understanding mathematics but claiming that Einsteins formula of e=mc² is bullshit. This is how ridiclous this conversation is. Keep on going tho, it's getting funnier by the minute.

edit: Btw, sorry for making fun of you, but someone has to defend the truth. Nothing personal.

So you can't define it then? Interesting.

Funny isn't, even with the entire knowledge of the internet and the power of google at your fingers, you still can't explain the concept of time.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Not strictly true. We've got posters who interpret time dilation as being flawed memories and/or skipped dream scenes, which is fair enough.
Though arguably "Time Dilation" is an inaccurate term.

Perhaps this is the point? Similarly, if dreams do not process every conceivable kind of possibility in the "waking reality", since it is in a different dimension altogether, then it can be easily said that there is no solid relationship between dreams and reality, hence time dilation. If you think people have been perceiving time differently than one another as to warp time-and-space (without reaching c) than you're just being a dork. We are speaking of dreams; what one might call "unreality".

Originally Posted by moonshine

Then you have moon-units who genuinely believe they can extend time in dreams i.e. make a 1 hour dream last 2 hours....or as some nuts claim weeks/months. Which is what I claim to be BS.

Dream time has indeed been proven.
Lucid dreamers have counted time in their dreams by moving their eyes.
Scientists have timed these eye movements and determined that they do correspond with reality.

Also, and rather more simply, they have been woken and asked how long they think their dream lasted...assesments which generally correspond well to reality.

We are talking about perceived time; dream time. The perceived duration cannot be measured, and that is the point. What you have said so far doesn't sound very convincing, unless you have any links.

Time is relative. Therefore... increase the speed of the brain's processing. This is equivalent to reducing the speed of everything else outside the brain, thus "time dilation".

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Funny isn't, even with the entire knowledge of the internet and the power of google at your fingers, you still can't explain the concept of time.

Still unable to answer your own question CC?
Clearly you feel you have made some earth shattering point.
Though equally clearly, you're unable to lucidly explain the same.

Can't see the point myself, why is why I simply choose not to buy into the diversionary escapades of a disgruntled tweener.

Maybe when you contribute something - anything - beyond foot-stamping and holding your breath this thread will get interesting again.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

Time is relative. Therefore... increase the speed of the brain's processing. This is equivalent to reducing the speed of everything else outside the brain, thus "time dilation".

Time is a constant at any one point. Time is only relative between two points, when one point is travelling at near light speeds.

I understand what you're getting at generally. Like the Matrix bullet time yeah?

But even assuming that the brain, CPU processor metaphor is appropriate its a tenuous and unsubstantiated theory.

Even at the basic levels. How do you imagine your brain can "process" so much faster when sleeping? I would have though that the efforts involved in creating a virtual 3D would be significantly greater.

Lets not forget that the brain is already quite busy during REM sleep, doing what ever it needs to do. Current theory is that its rewiring and filtering memories. Ever defragged your hard-drive? How does that effect your CPU speed.

These are just simple throwaway arguments. IMO they give far to too much undeserved credence to the untested processor analogy.

People used to imagine that time slowed during an accident.
Though this has been proven by science to be incorrect.

People used to to imagine that they experiences full dreams in the few seconds it took them to wake up. Which again has been proven by science to be incorrect.

Can you please stop double/triple posting, thank you.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Time is a constant at any one point. Time is only relative between two points, when one point is travelling at near light speeds.

I understand what you're getting at generally. Like the Matrix bullet time yeah?

But even assuming that the brain, CPU processor metaphor is appropriate its a tenuous and unsubstantiated theory.

Even at the basic levels. How do you imagine your brain can "process" so much faster when sleeping? I would have though that the efforts involved in creating a virtual 3D would be significantly greater.

I do not believe it is possible to process much faster when sleeping (maybe only slightly, even if), but that does not invalidate the CPU metaphor. So I think the problem with time dilation is not a theoretical problem, only a practical problem. Which I guess is the only point I was trying to make . I think 2 hours in 10 minutes is BS also.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Rigggggggght.

So if a guy runs 1 mile in 6 minutes, then the next day runs 1 mile in 5 minutes has he dilated time or simply ran faster?

Are the latest intel chips mini-time machines?

Sigh.

wait wait, there. that's different because, while the guy's running faster, his perception of time is constant.

if his mind was thinking faster, and thus his perception of time was changed, then, to the guy, time would appear to be dilated.

do though note that during time dilation (at least my understanding of it) it's only your sense of time that changes, not time itself.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

I do not believe it is possible to process much faster when sleeping (maybe only slightly, even if), but that does not invalidate the CPU metaphor. So I think the problem with time dilation is not a theoretical problem, only a practical problem. Which I guess is the only point I was trying to make . I think 2 hours in 10 minutes is BS also.

But what if we're not using our 'CPU' to it's full capacity on a daily basis? We do only use, on average, less than 10% of our brains at any given time.

Also, we really can only understand time by seeing other things change - like a clock ticking or the sun moving - so if those things change, then so does the way we see time. Maybe, since we're cut off from outside stimulus when we're dreaming, time can seem like anything we want, even though everything's physically taking the same amount of time.

[QUOTE=bcomp;1083196]But what if we're not using our 'CPU' to it's full capacity on a daily basis? We do only use, on average, less than 10% of our brains at any given time.QUOTE]

Hiya Bcomp.

Actually, thats an old meme which has now thoroughly been discredited.
We pretty much use most of our brain most of the time. Turns out we're pretty efficient little machines.

Originally Posted by bcomp

Also, we really can only understand time by seeing other things change - like a clock ticking or the sun moving - so if those things change, then so does the way we see time. Maybe, since we're cut off from outside stimulus when we're dreaming, time can seem like anything we want, even though everything's physically taking the same amount of time.

I think I agree with you. Dreams are slippery beasts (especially when your not lucid) and its difficult to truly appreciate how much time has passed.
So yeah, I'm sure they can "seem" longer, or shorter, (especially depending whether not your dream is exciting or boring) but really this boils down to whats essentially a flawed or inaccurate assesment.

Flawed assesment would be an accurate description.
"Time Dilation", implying as it does the literal stretching of time really has no relevance.

Thats my take on it anyway.

Ok moonshine, you are correct, time dilation doesn't exist, it's bullshit, we all agree with you. Will you shut up now?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Ok moonshine, you are correct, time dilation doesn't exist, it's bullshit, we all agree with you. Will you shut up now?

Seriously. Grow up.

Seriously. Shut up.

There really is no point in saying something is bullshit 293090329 times. We got it the first time.

i'm not a mod but i am mad becuase I thouhgt this was a tutorial on how to dialate time, not "look at moonshine discredit many theories". Stay on topic.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Seriously. Shut up.

There really is no point in saying something is bullshit 293090329 times. We got it the first time.

There's that "we" again.
I've told you a gazillion times that you shouldn't exaggerate.

Still, don't be mad Chabs. If everyone joined your cult, it wouldn't be a cult, would it?

Originally Posted by markman

i'm not a mod but i am mad becuase I thouhgt this was a tutorial on how to dialate time, not "look at moonshine discredit many theories". Stay on topic.

For tutorials on Time Dilation and various other fun times feel free to check out the beyond dreaming section.

http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...light=dilation
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...light=dilation
http://www.dreamviews.com/community/...light=dilation

[QUOTE=moonshine;1083250]

Originally Posted by bcomp

But what if we're not using our 'CPU' to it's full capacity on a daily basis? We do only use, on average, less than 10% of our brains at any given time.QUOTE]

Hiya Bcomp.

Actually, thats an old meme which has now thoroughly been discredited.
We pretty much use most of our brain most of the time. Turns out we're pretty efficient little machines.




I think I agree with you. Dreams are slippery beasts (especially when your not lucid) and its difficult to truly appreciate how much time has passed.
So yeah, I'm sure they can "seem" longer, or shorter, (especially depending whether not your dream is exciting or boring) but really this boils down to whats essentially a flawed or inaccurate assesment.

Flawed assesment would be an accurate description.
"Time Dilation", implying as it does the literal stretching of time really has no relevance.

Thats my take on it anyway.

This isn't quite true. We do use most of our brains. However, we don't use it all at once. The common accepted is now 12-20% at once.


On another note, Time Dilation is all relevant. I started falling asleep in the car the other day, and had a deep though/dreaming period that lasted for about 5 seconds ( drove about 100 feet in the car ). However, it felt like almost a minute.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Seriously. Grow up.

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Seriously. Shut up.

There really is no point in saying something is bullshit 293090329 times. We got it the first time.

Rude and unneeded, thread locked, see my previous warning for why~

Time is subjective, and interpretive.

Originally Posted by no-name

Chayba, Moon, quiet down. DV is not your flamewar territory. Take it to PM, ED, or somewhere else. This thread is not going to be moved to beyond dreaming, but it might be locked if you guys keep it up.

Quiet down.