Thread: How to Dilate Time

Originally Posted by moonshine

It is now understood that people do "dream" during NREM. The jurys still out on whether this is 100% of the time and in all sleep stages.

Look, I've studied my dreams and other people's dreams for over 15 years now. My knowledge of dreaming far exceed the current understand of dreams by science. Science may do a study of other people for a couple of months and then call it quits. I have 15 years of non-stop first hand experience.

Keep a dream journal for a few years and you can verify what I'm saying for yourself.

Originally Posted by moonshine

But NREM dreams are understood to be very different from REM dreams.
They are more like our thoughts during the day. We can think or visualise.(ever felt like you've been awake all night wrestling with a problem?)
But they are quite different from REM dreams where we actually inhabit the dreams in a 3D virtual world. This is why REM ATONIA (sleep paralysis) only kicks in during REM. During NREM you're not wandering around.

Can you provide a link that backs that up? Because everything I'm finding online suggests that NREM dreams are full fledged dreams where you do in fact walk around in a real environment.

http://learnmem.cshlp.org/content/11/6/671.full

By simply changing the question asked of awakened subjects from “Did you dream?” to “Did you experience any mental content?,” Foulkes was able to show a far higher percentage of dream reports from NREM stages than original studies had suggested. These dream reports after NREM awakenings led Foulkes and others to conclude that the stream of consciousness never ceases during sleep and that the brain engages in cognitive activity of some sort during all sleep stages (Antrobus 1990).

That said, the argument on Time Dilation hardly hinges on the REM point.


If someone genuinely believes in Time Dilation, then feel free to start up a thread in Beyond Dreaming.

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

moonshine: is there any difference between events outside the brain occurring at 1/2x speed, and events inside the brain occurring at 2x speed? Would either qualify as practically useful "time dilation"?

Ooh, ooh, ooh, answer to me!
By the way the answers are "probably no" and "yes". "Probably no" thanks to Einstein's theory that time is relative. The implication is that all you have to do is speed up your thinking a bit to make that happen .

Brain exploding realization: doesn't inverse time dilation happen all the time, in the "spaces between dreams"?

Originally Posted by RedfishBluefish

Brain exploding realization: doesn't inverse time dilation happen all the time, in the "spaces between dreams"?

More likely they should be found in a space in "beyond dreaming."

Originally Posted by Tricky

Me and a friend talked about this to some extent. I havent tried it, but he told me some techniques he uses and the results.

This technique is simple. Basically just go into a portal, and expect when you come out on the other side youll be there for (insert amount of time)

He says he was there for about 6 years. Not literally, but the 30 minutes or so he was there, his mind made it seem like 6 years to him.

This can be useful. (This will sound emo) But if you really dont like your life, you want to escape for a LONG time..Do this. You can get away for a virtual 6 years (wich is really 30 minutes) and be God the entire time.

No, I havent tried this. So I dont know if it works. Anybody feels like trying it, tell me how it works out for you.

I will try this out but ill maybe make time feel like 1 month has gone by as i'm not much of an experienced LDer.

Can you clarify a bit more?

Do i just like summon some sort of portal ( maybe like a door i walk through). Then say "when i walk in, 30 minutes will feel like 1 month?" and then walk through the door? And just do everything like a would " normally " do in a lucid dream ( i.e many of my dream goals listed below). So basically i'll have more time to finish all the tasks?

Originally Posted by moonshine

More likely they should be found in a space in "beyond dreaming."

Bah! Beyond dreaming is for fools, and tinfoil hat wearers.

Seriously is it that much to believe that people won't always experience time in a linear manner? When we are unconscious I wouldn't expect us to actually experience X hours of unconsciousness in X hours. No, it just skips over...

Originally Posted by KingCarnie

Actually, research has found that in most cases time in a lucid dream corresponds to actual time, and non-lucid dreams usually have no connection to actual time. So what seems like 15 minutes in a lucid dream is usually about 15 minutes. However, there is evidence that sometimes lucid dreams have alternate times, just like non-lucid dreams. So time dilation is probably possible.

This is not always true. I read somewhere (maybe even on this website) of some extreme lucid dreams. Extreme to the point that months would pass by in the dream, while they were asleep for only 8-10 hours. It is possibly to consciously dilate time, even while awake. However, it is nowhere near the effect that people desire. For instance, riding in a car you can pick out individual trees and focus on them (here in Florida, almost every road is surrounded either by trees, or by the taller grass you get near the beach. I see more trees). Also, try watching a leaky faucet. Though it drips at a semi-regular speed, you can make the water seem as though it is dripping more often or less often. If you can do it in real life, you can do it in a dream. It's all a matter of practice. Being that I'm younger than most people on the forum, I think I may have a slight advantage here. While you're younger (I'd actually wager until your 20's, even) you're more open to different viewpoints. This also does wonderful things for your perception.

Originally Posted by oniman7

This is not always true. I read somewhere (maybe even on this website) of some extreme lucid dreams. Extreme to the point that months would pass by in the dream, while they were asleep for only 8-10 hours.

On this website you can also read about astral travelling, dreamwalkers, spirit guides, encounters with dream demons, elf and pixies.

Just sayin'

That's true, but you have to take everything that's said on this website with a grain of salt. For example, I've had 18 lucids in about 4 months. Nobody has any way of knowing if I have, if this person really had SP, if they really had been in a dream for what felt like weeks or months. You just have to look at the evidence and think for yourself.

Of course. But by the same token you should take account of all evidence, be it personal experience, anecdotal, scientific, experimental, theoretical etc.

Its precisely the same which leads me to conclude the time dilation, especially dreams that last weeks to months, are BS.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Of course. But by the same token you should take account of all evidence, be it personal experience, anecdotal, scientific, experimental, theoretical etc.

Its precisely the same which leads me to conclude the time dilation, especially dreams that last weeks to months, are BS.

Time dilation is a skill. You are simply a lucid dreaming noob. Get a clue already and get over yourself. "I can't do it, so nobody can".. please.. not everybody is a lying cunt like you. How many lucids do you have a night? Can you go into a lucid anytime you want? Until then, don't talk like you're the master.

Nikola Tesla, Aldous Huxley, Albert Einstein, etc, they were the lucid dreaming masters, they have put lucid dreaming and time dilation to a good use! Look at the world, look at their works! How can you still deny to potential and claim it's a lie after all the wonders they have brought to humankind?

That was quite a bit uncalled for. It's people like you who get threads locked. Anyways, I agree with what ChabyaChabya is trying to say. But just because Tesla, Einstein, and all the others were geniuses doesn't mean they were lucid dream masters.... or did I miss something here?

Yeah you did, I forgot to mention that if you would read their autobiography you would see they used lucid dreaming for their inventions. They all claimed that is the secret behind their genius. This guy moonshine is claiming that it us bullshit however.. who do you believe, these geniuses or moonshine?

What most people don't understand is that monkeyboys like moonshine simply talk out of their ass. Moonshine has never attempted time dilation, yet he is spamming this entire thread with his disbelief. What is the point arguing if you refuse to try it out yourself first?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Time dilation is a skill. You are simply a lucid dreaming noob. Get a clue already and get over yourself. "I can't do it, so nobody can".. please.. not everybody is a lying cunt like you. How many lucids do you have a night? Can you go into a lucid anytime you want? Until then, don't talk like you're the master.

Nikola Tesla, Aldous Huxley, Albert Einstein, etc, they were the lucid dreaming masters, they have put lucid dreaming and time dilation to a good use! Look at the world, look at their works! How can you still deny to potential and claim it's a lie after all the wonders they have brought to humankind?

Are you therefore claiming you have achieved time Dilation then CC? Have you lived weeks/months in minutes?
Do please be clear.

Foaming rage and vague references to Einstein does not make a good counter argument.

And I'm a lying cunt am I? Whats your problem. Really?

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

Haha yeah funny and frustrating. For some reason, in todays societys, stupidity and ignorance rules. Look at this forum for the perfect example, it's called Beyond Dreaming and seen as the garbage dump of dreamviews while it should be called Advanced Dreaming. These blind admins really need to wake up already and see that they are blocking the progress of the entire community by systematically moving all advanced dreaming topics right into this forum. Good job.

Ah.

Originally Posted by The Cusp

Look, I've studied my dreams and other people's dreams for over 15 years now. My knowledge of dreaming far exceed the current understand of dreams by science. Science may do a study of other people for a couple of months and then call it quits. I have 15 years of non-stop first hand experience.

Keep a dream journal for a few years and you can verify what I'm saying for yourself.



Can you provide a link that backs that up? Because everything I'm finding online suggests that NREM dreams are full fledged dreams where you do in fact walk around in a real environment.

Do dreams occour only in rem sleep, or might we dream all night long? The Idea that dreaming is exclusively linked to REM Sleep has been overturned.
A lot depends however on what is meant by "dream". We tend to associate the word with bizzare and visually rich narrative dreams of REM sleep, in contrast to the more mundane thought processes of waking consciousness. When people are woken from NREM sleep and asked if they are dreaming , they reply yes only on about 7-8% for occasions. However, if instead they are asked wether they were thinking about anything, they say yes far more often. In fact people woken from NREM sleep report some form of mental activity on 40-60% of occasions.

The "dreams" that occour during NREM sleep are different. They are generally less vivid, less surreal, less unpleasant and less "dream-like" than classic dreams. They lack bizarre story lines, the strong emotions the strong emotions and intense imagery. In fact they are more like conventional waking thoughts or fragments of ideas. NREM dreams are also shorter and less complex than REM dreams".

Counting Sheep: The Science and pleasures of Sleep and Dreams. Paul Martin.

There's three pages of scientific references to the chapter this text quotes.

Originally Posted by moonshine

Are you therefore claiming you have achieved time Dilation then CC? Have you lived weeks/months in minutes?
Do please be clear.

Foaming rage and vague references to Einstein does not make a good counter argument.

And I'm a lying cunt am I? Whats your problem. Really?

What's my problem? You are. If you refuse to practise, don't come in here and spread your bullshit theories. You are all talk, pure lazyness. Why do you insist on spreading your stupidity? You're like a dog peeing everywhere to mark it's territory. This threads smells of your piss.

Anyone who has ever attempted a WILD and has looked a clock during a failed attempt has experienced mild to extreme time dilation. As you claim time dilation is bullshit, it is obvious that you are a total lucid dreaming noob and most likely never have even attempted a WILD! I don't blame you for having zero experience, I do blame you for being extremly lazy and refusing to experiment and simply see for yourself. All this discussion can be avoided by experimenting.

Am I claiming I have achieved time dilation? Yeah fucking duh. Shit, you're slow. Seems like time dilation works the other way around for you.

Putting all the arguments aside.

The dreamer can dilate time, by making the events in the dream a touch faster.
I am sure you could train your mind to work like that.

As for bending time and space. that's a load of none sense (Y)

Originally Posted by ChaybaChayba

What's my problem? You are. If you refuse to practise, don't come in here and spread your bullshit theories. You are all talk, pure lazyness. Why do you insist on spreading your stupidity? You're like a dog peeing everywhere to mark it's territory. This threads smells of your piss.

Anyone who has ever attempted a WILD and has looked a clock during a failed attempt has experienced mild to extreme time dilation. As you claim time dilation is bullshit, it is obvious that you are a total lucid dreaming noob and most likely never have even attempted a WILD! I don't blame you for having zero experience, I do blame you for being extremly lazy and refusing to experiment and simply see for yourself. All this discussion can be avoided by experimenting.

Am I claiming I have achieved time dilation? Yeah fucking duh. Shit, you're slow. Seems like time dilation works the other way around for you.

Charmed I'm sure

Its times like these when I like to ask myself "What Would Dawkins Do?".

Little hint: Losing track of time, having flawed memories or simply being mistaken really isn't the same thing as "time dilation" is it?

As to my personal experience, maybe you should look before you leap.
cough-sig-cough

Request a MOD dumps this thread to beyond dreaming and we're done.
You can have your playpen all to yourself.

Chayba, Moon, quiet down. DV is not your flamewar territory. Take it to PM, ED, or somewhere else. This thread is not going to be moved to beyond dreaming, but it might be locked if you guys keep it up.

Quiet down.

Quick though here. Wouldn't it be possible that since your brain has to process less input while asleep, it might be able to perceive faster in dreams, thus making a literal amount of time seem longer? Sort of like when you're in a dangerous or emotional situation, which might only last a few seconds, but it feels like an eternity.

As far as I know, there isn't a speed limit on the human mind. Or at least on the thoughts in it.

Yeah of course it's possible. It has already been proven. This guy can even dream while awake, using time dilation to do calculation faster than a calculator.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlbVsgbq3dc

Rigggggggght.

So if a guy runs 1 mile in 6 minutes, then the next day runs 1 mile in 5 minutes has he dilated time or simply ran faster?

Are the latest intel chips mini-time machines?

Sigh.

Moonshine, remember that the science of time dilation (in the way you mentioned it), is irrelevant in this forum. This is about dreams and dream control, it is not about the waking reality. As it has been said enough, time, dreams and experience are entirely subjective. One dream can be perceived as an hour, just while another is perceived as five minutes. There is no way to prove the actual "dream length", since it is intangible, and thus there are no grounds to call another's dream "bullshit."

Originally Posted by moonshine

Rigggggggght.

So if a guy runs 1 mile in 6 minutes, then the next day runs 1 mile in 5 minutes has he dilated time or simply ran faster?

Are the latest intel chips mini-time machines?

Sigh.

Lolol. Here you are, claiming time dilation doesn't exist while you don't even understand the concept of time. Please try to explain the concept of time and make us all laugh really hard. Go go go