Headless DCs

[Xanous]

Hello everyone I don't usually post in these threads but I'm having this reoccurring situation in my lucids. I can think of tree times a headless DC showed itself and I'm just curious what you folks thought. One time was a version of my son. Another time was my body during an OBE and the last time was a double of myself blocking my way. The strange part is that there is no gore. It's just smooth skin from shoulder to shoulder. It's creepy and fascinating as hell. I try to be pretty thorough in my DJ entries so heres the links. 111 The Headless Boy - DILD - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views FA's Brief Lucids and one Hellacious DEILD chain - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views - see "The Creep in the Mirror" My Headless Double - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views

[MrDreamsX]

He is standing there blocking my exit from the house... I look closer and notice that he is an exact copy of me but with out a head. I was going to comment your Headless Double dream last night, I guess I timed out... Anyway, I wanted to say that this part is very unsettling. I will put more thought into it, but off the top of my head, I don't recall a single dream about a headless person. I have to ask, have you ever seen a headless body in waking life? Or known anyone who was decapitated? I will happily throw out a few interpretations after I read your other headless DC dreams.

[Xanous]

Thanks. And no, except for TV, I have never seen anyone decapitated or known anyone who died that way... At least in this life.

[MrDreamsX]

111 The Headless Boy - I look back down at the boy and his head is missing. There is no blood or gore but smooth non scarred skin where his neck should be. It was like he was somehow born this way. It almost looked like the end of a chicken leg bone covered in human skin. Fear and horror grip me but I push it away. I say to him in a fatherly tone, "Now you stop that. You better pop that head right back out young man!" For some reason I look away at the elevator. Blurry. Still holding this creature, I look back down at him. His head is back. Now that I really look at him for the fist time I notice that looks like a hideous... First, this strikes me as the most meaningful portion of this dream. Before I speculate on what Headless DC's could mean to you, allow me to throw out a possible mundane explanation. Things frequently do disappear in dreams. We all seem to spend a good percentage of our dreams roaming around looking for things we lost earlier in the dream. Second, I said I would try to remember any headless-ness dreams - I don't recall ever dreaming anything "like the end of a chicken leg bone covered in human skin" - however, something similar occurred to me which I assume is common: DC's who lack a clear identity. There have been many dreams in which I didn't recall ever seeing the face of certain people... Mundane Interpretation #1: Possibly, your lucid skills make you more discriminating about hanging out with headless people. Whereas ordinarily dreamers just fill-in-the-blank with whomever we feel is most suitable. And after replacing a head, a DC might automatically seem creepy, inhuman, or doll-like.

[Superman1]

Direct Current? District of Columbia? Oh.... finally gotcha. Dream Character! Sorry I'm a bit slow. Never heard that before. I guess that's right, anyway. And FA I see now in one of your posts. I won't even go there, haha. I haven't read them, they are so long. But I think headless means thoughtless. Your double is your other self who is thoughtless, or lacking thought in some way. Your body during an OBE suggests you can be thoughtless in your life, or that situation. Or needing to think more. And of course, if it is true, it will overflow into all areas, hence seeing your son as that. Or it could mean you see yourself in him. Do you think that rings true? Seeing your Chucky images you posted in the boy one, suggests the opposite of thinking, but fear or the darkness or reactionary perhaps? Whenever I hear of lucid dreaming, I think of what is missing in your dreams if you take conscious control your supermanconsious is now blocked from?

[Xanous]

Direct Current? District of Columbia? Oh.... finally gotcha. Dream Character! Sorry I'm a bit slow. Never heard that before. I guess that's right, anyway. And FA I see now in one of your posts. I won't even go there, haha. I haven't read them, they are so long. But I think headless means thoughtless. Your double is your other self who is thoughtless, or lacking thought in some way. Your body during an OBE suggests you can be thoughtless in your life, or that situation. Or needing to think more. And of course, if it is true, it will overflow into all areas, hence seeing your son as that. Or it could mean you see yourself in him. Do you think that rings true? Seeing your Chucky images you posted in the boy one, suggests the opposite of thinking, but fear or the darkness or reactionary perhaps? Whenever I hear of lucid dreaming, I think of what is missing in your dreams if you take conscious control your supermanconsious is now blocked from? Sorry about that I guess I abbreviate a little too much. Anyway, thanks for the ideas but I'm not sure it's thoughtlessness. I guess I don't always think things through but usually I am very introspective and actually I tend to over-think things at times. hhhmm... Maybe its a symbol of the whole OBE aspect. Perhaps I think of my consciousness is in my head or it IS my head and the very idea of an OBE is consciousness outside of the body. This seems closer but not quite there.

[JoannaB]

Even though I really like dream interpretation, but have you considered that there might not be a meaning to this? You might have seen your first headless DC in a dream as kind of a fluke, and maybe the first time it meant something, but then once you had the dream once and it was so weird and memorable, then you had it again and then again. Even the first time might not have meant anything special. Or maybe the first time did mean thoughtless not because you or the person whom that DC represents is usually thoughtless, but because a single thoughtless event had just happened. Or maybe you subconsciously realized that this is just a DC, and thus thoughtless (not having its own thoughts). Btw, that last idea is because you are a regular lucid dreamer. I would not give that interpretation to just anyone off the street. But I think dream interpretation in my opinion is very subjective and depends on the dreamer, and your being a regular lucid dreamer I think that can impact non-lucids as well. EDIT: Wait a minute: I just reread, these were lucids! Well, in that case thoughtless DC would fit quite well. You knew that these were not the real people they represented. Your subconscious then added the headlessness to emphasize that I think. Edit2: never mind I think I got it now: I now read the actual dreams in your DJ, not just your post. In the first dream you say that your son is headless like he was born that way. I think it is only natural for a parent to worry about a deformity before a child is born before they know the child will be all right, and even once the child is born and is well, some of that fear lingers. It is that fear of what if something were really really wrong with my child that I think caused the first dream. Second dream notice how you walk into your son's room before you see your headless body on the bed. I think even though your conscious mind did not remember the headless boy dream until later, your subconscious mind may have remembered that dream earlier. What if now you are headless because as a good parent you would rather that terrible things happen to you than to your son, so you have taken that deformity onto yourself. This creeps you out but also kind of fascinates you, so the dream keeps repeating. In the next dream there is a bed scene like in the second dream and so the bed could have reminded you of dream number two. But since being headless was kind of creepy, so now you distance yourself from it a bit further, and it is no longer you but your double who is headless. By then I think the headlessness has very little of the original fear meaning of fear of something wrong with your son. I think by then the dream is more about creepy fascination. What do you think? If it makes no sense or not enough sense, feel free to discard my ideas. Ultimately you as the dreamer are the best judge of what it means.

[Xanous]

Wow that was very thoughtful. I think you might be on to something there. The first dream interpretation makes a lot of since as he was a lot younger then and I had a lot of newborn fears in my mind. I suppose the other two dreams would fit into what you said as well. You can kind of see how this headless figure evolved and became less and less important. Hmm. This sounds about as close as I think anyone will get to it. Thanks! Maybe since I cast off the headless double in that third dream it will not reappear again. Interesting.

[JoannaB]

Absolutely, I think it is quite reasonable to expect the headlessness to not reappear now that you have cast it off. And as we know expectations are a key to what happens in dreams.

[Superman1]

Can't say there aren't always different views, even exact opposites sometimes, which always serve to keep options open. And where are your two mini dream interpreters, Joanna? Hope they're not retired. From my view though, Xanous, I think you put my finger on it. Because they are all OBE's (I know that one! But sounds almost like EBE, haha, Extra-terrestrial Biological Entity. Close in meaning too, except the middle word), you feel you are not in control? The head is where control is. [I thought my first interpretation seemed brainless.] Can it explain why you see your son that way? Can it mean he is out of your control too, in some ways, as mentioned? ********************************** (I also forgot my first thought of what DC was. A headless cartoon or comics character? Haha. Which kind of fits with the sort of unreal spirit - out of the body, a superhero in that way.) Hey, that's me! (from DC Comics who did Superman and Batman. But you're Spirtman)

[Xanous]

Lol. I don't know how spiritual it all is. As far as I'm concerned the jury is still out on whether or not out of body experiences are real. I just meant that it seems to me that consciousness is in the head so it would make sense to see my body still in bed without my head. Know what I mean?

[Superman1]

Yes I understand. But because you said this seems closer but not quite there, I thought there had to be something more. I read your 3 dreams now and boy, and man, is there more. What I said before seems simplistic. And I think there has to be a meaning to it. THE HEADLESS BOY Being in a classroom suggests learning, a recurring theme. Life is lessons. The boy seems to become you as well, as he has your 'Ah-ha' moment. So now that makes sense his head is gone. Soon as you say put your head back on, you look at the elevator, which means rise up. Go to a higher level. This is too low and weird, out of control. But instead, his head returns hideous, and it scares you. CREEP IN THE MIRROR After you reflect and see your wavery self with a negative aura, meaning not really lucid or in control, you see your headless self in bed. A plastic dummy means unreality. Saying "BOO' to your son seems to be getting control of what scared you in your first headless son dream, who maybe represented you at that point. HEADLESS DOUBLE: (I probably disagreee with this now. See later post) Maybe your idea of OBEing is thoughtless, and why your double confronted you. He was timid. So second contentment means this other way of getting contentment was so weak or powerless, in view of your other self anyway. In the Headless Boy dream, you say, "I am ... just really content to be having a DILD." I won't ask what DILD means, lol. Lucid Dream I guess are the last 2. Dream in LD? >>Search. Dream Induced LD. As I alluded to about lucid dreaming. It upturns your higher head, that normally has control. Maybe you have made your other self that should be in command headless, and timid and powerless. That is creepy, to me. It's kind of against nature and reality. Reality sounds like no fun though, does it? lol. After you chucked your other self out, it got dark and windy, hard to see. That is symbolic. CONCLUSION: I think these headless doubles are parts of your lucid dreams you cannot control, where your thinking self - or self that normally controls things - is trying to get your attention. Because the whole nature of dreams is that the opposite to your ego takes control, with no inhibition, and tells the truth about you, so you learn. * * * * * Funny what MrDreamsX said at the top: I will put more thought into it, but off the top of my head, I don't recall a single dream about a headless person

[MrDreamsX]

Funny what MrDreamsX said at the top: I will put more thought into it, but off the top of my head, I don't recall a single dream about a headless person LOL - Thank you for catching this. It's an unintentional pun + double entendre. Welcome to my neck of the woods Superman1.

[JoannaB]

Superman, I was thinking yesterday because of another thread of whether there could be some dreams in which interpreting them or being lucid in them brings too much consciousness into something better left to the subconscious, which is able to then apply creativity and imagination in a more open minded way. And yes, you read right, in my mind this concern applies to both dream interpretation and to lucid dreaming. Some dreams may be better left uninterpretted and non-lucid. Interpretation imposes the conscious mind's bias on the ideas of the subconscious mind, and especially for long running problems which span many dreams when the subconscious is not done problem solving yet, putting a slant on it may bias the subconscious in future brainstorming. Similarly lucid dreaming may inject conscious mind into a dream and change it, and even though your subconscious knows that you need to work on a problem, if your conscious is not paying attention to what your subconscious was working on problem solving, then you may have just deprived yourself of the benefit of subconscious problem solving. I thought about it, and I don't think these dangers are really an issue for many of us: (1) I think most of us will reach better solutions to issues when the conscious and subconscious work together on solving a problem, and both dream interpretation and lucid dreaming provide opportunities for such team work. (2) Even in lucid dreaming the subconscious has lots of freedom: it is not confined. This dream of headlessness is an example of that: even though he was lucid, but he dreamed of headlessness even though he had not consciously planned it. This can happen in lucid dreams and often does. Also while your consciousness is lucid in the dream, e dream characters can still speak for your subconscious. Similarly I think in dream interpretation the dreamer's own intuition provides the crucial element of the subconscious: the subconscious has veto power over dream interpretations that seem wrong intuitively. (3) if there is a problem that a dreamer needs to work on subconsciously, as long as the problem is not resolved, the subconscious will ensure that it gets done one way or another. If the dreamer diverted it in a lucid dream, perhaps the next dream will not be lucid and will return to the interrupted problem solving. Similarly if someone got confused with a conscious interpretation imposing a meaning that the subconscious disagrees with, the dreamer will have another dream trying to work on this issue in a different way. If these are problem solving dreams, they will likely continue until the problem is resolved to the satisfaction of e subconscious mind, not just the conscious. However, I think that ultimately it is e conscious and subconscious parts of the mind working together that can have some of the most powerful results: a dreamer who is into dream interpretation or into lucid dreaming or both becomes ideally more aware of oneself, different parts of oneself, and starts to ensure that these parts work together. Through dream interpretation and lucid dreams our conscious mind can get to know the subconscious, accept it, and learn from it. It is not a coincidence that in lucid dreaming the recommended way of dealing with a nightmare is not to try to change e scene nor to try to fight it, but try to befriend or question it. Thus the lucid dreamer learns more about what the subconscious was trying to tell him, and sometimes also embraces his or her dark or flawed side. Dream interpretation not only reveals dream signs to the lucid dreamer, but also can reveal some meanings behind the dreams to help the dreamer understand why he or she may be dreaming what he or she is dreaming, and perhaps then recognize dreams better by recognizing the theme in a different way, and also maybe change the dreamer's mind about the desire to dream of something else instead if the conscious mind realizes that a dream may be important to the subconscious. I think this forum has an unfortunate divide of many people who are into lucid dreaming but have no use for dream interpretation because they think dreams have no meanings, and others who are into dream interpretation but resent lucid dreaming as a way to mess with the subconscious too much not letting it do its work. I personally am into both lucid dreaming and dream interpretation, and I think they can work together beautifully as two powerful tools to help one find a greater unity of one's personality and problem solving together as one, both conscious and subconscious elements respecting and accepting all of one self.

[Superman1]

First, it dawned on me I tend to disagree with myself now, in that the double is probably not trying to get your attention to control your dream, but just giving you a message about yourself like in a normal dream. And lucid dreaming may be your way to get a secondary contentment but maybe is not turning out that way so easily, which may be why the other you was timid. Maybe what I said before remains an interesting possibility. Or maybe I was thoughtless, and why now my double confronted me and corrected me, hehe. But Zanous said not quite there about his explanation of the headless bit, so I saw more that maybe wasn't true. I really don't know. So, yes Joanna, a lot of good points. I tend to be biast against LD. The balance you said is the best perspective. Of course it's not so important to let your subconscious take control - all the time. Maybe your double mini interpreters should try this dream!!

[JoannaB]

Those two small interpreters of mine are seven and four years old. I think that sharing with them the idea of a dream with a small boy without a head is not a good idea.

[Superman1]

Thoughtless of me. Sorry. Wasn't very lucid.

[travellight27]

Hello everyone I don't usually post in these threads but I'm having this reoccurring situation in my lucids. I can think of tree times a headless DC showed itself and I'm just curious what you folks thought. One time was a version of my son. Another time was my body during an OBE and the last time was a double of myself blocking my way. The strange part is that there is no gore. It's just smooth skin from shoulder to shoulder. It's creepy and fascinating as hell. I try to be pretty thorough in my DJ entries so heres the links. 111 The Headless Boy - DILD - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views FA's Brief Lucids and one Hellacious DEILD chain - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views - see "The Creep in the Mirror" My Headless Double - Dream Journals - Lucid Dreaming - Dream Views Remember this....Dreams EXAGGERATE to get one's attention, and the dream guides are definitely trying to shock you to get your attention. A Headless body means that your actions in life at the moment are merely concerned with the physical plane. You might be leaving out the mind and soul in your life and living just for the physical life....be it food, exercise, sex, etc vs. feeding your other parts of self. Your son in the dream more likely has to do with you, not him, showing once again in exaggerated form that you MIGHT be acting childish, and not thinking through your actions. So stop , back up...take a good look at this little phase in your life and review your actions. Obviously you are NOT just a mindless person living for physical pleasure because those kind of people would never ever even visit a dream board and inquire about their Spiritual parts of life, dreams etc. I think it's represents a temporary phase you are going thru and perhaps....someone has a strong hold on you, enough to make you "lose your head". TL

[JoannaB]

Travel light, are you a parent? I am, and I could not possibly imagine dreaming of my child and it meaning that I am childish. For me and for Xanous based on his comment, our children are more important than us. yes, a parent may look on a child and see him- or herself in the child, but if so, it is not as a symbol of childishness. A parent's mindset is usually that the child is more important than the parent him- or herself. We would rather see ourselves hurt than our children. We would not choose our children to be hurt in our stead. Even in a dream even the non-lucid dreams or non-lucid portions of lucid dreams, a person does not dream against their nature, and what you are suggesting here is against the nature of many parents, definitely against mine and Xanous's (as confirmed by his comment that the deformity became less important as it moved from the child to him.) I guess there are parents who do not think about their kids as more important than themselves, but Xanous is not one of them and neither am I.

[Xanous]

You both make good points but I am more on the side of JoannaB. Thanks JoannaB for the vote of confidence. So stop , back up...take a good look at this little phase in your life and review your actions. Really though, this is probably good advice for anyone. Thanks for the input.

[travellight27]

Joanna....Please refrain from feeling you have to "school me" on dreams. I have been working with dreams for 40 years. I work with them in my own way. Respond to the dreams with your input and please try to stop coming in behind me and telling me why I'm wrong. I do not do that to your responses, although I disagree with many things that you say. It's an open board, we each have a right to an opinion, such as disagreeing with Universal Symbols, which is the basis for all forms of language. Let the dreamer choose what feels right for them without trying to be the boss. Thank you. TL

[JoannaB]

I am sorry TL, I will try to avoid openly disagreeing with you in the future. I will continue to post completely different views from yours of course, but will try not to argue. Personally I do not mind an argument, and have found that by arguing with people I learn stuff as they argue back. However I understand why this may upset you, and I appologize since upsetting you was not my intension nor was I intending to be the boss. Sometimes I am just argumentative, sometimes I react before carefully thinking through how the other person will receive my arguments. I assure you that I know that DreamViews would be a poorer place if it did not have people who disagree with me. PS: I hope you will forgive me if in the future I do not always succeed in being less argumentative. As I said, I will try. I am not perfect though and as you see I have an argumentative part of my personality, and especially when I feel strongly about something I react based on those feelings without careflully thinking how to phrase something more diplomatically.

[travellight27]

Agreed Joanna. I have no problem debating this issues to try and understand the "why" we each respond as we do. I think it is good for the dreamer to receive as many different opinions on their dreams as possible and hopefully take some understanding from all points of view. But if we open this door, we must respect each other's opinion without getting down and dirty. We have one major point of difference and that is the use of the Universal Symbols since you don't believe in them at all, you might end up arguing with me one every dream. I do know that the symbols can have a completely different meaning for someone if that person had an unusual or unique experience involving that "thing". But in 40 years of dreamwork I can give you a million examples of how the symbols do give us messages. Feel free to comment on my thoughts, but only if you can do so with an open mind and maybe we can both learn something from each other. Peace. TL

[Xanous]

I like the difference of opinions because it makes me think about things differently. travellight27, I didn't know you had so much experience. I'll consider your interpretation with more importance. Both of you make a lot sense but really I may never figure it all out.