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[17:50] <GabrielG> Hi
[17:50] <@naiya> hello
you're very early.
[17:51] <GabrielG>
[17:51] <GabrielG> yep
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[17:51] <GabrielG> been here for a while
[17:52] <Andra> well the class is going to start in 8 minutes
[17:52] <GabrielG> so what exactly are we going to do and what are the assignments like?
[17:55] <@naiya> 8 minutes?
[17:55] <@naiya> actually....1 hour & 8 minutes xD;
[17:56] <@naiya> 7 PM PST
[17:57] <@naiya> The assignments are listed in the syllabus
I'll post in there when you should do them.
[17:57] <@naiya> Aside from that, keep a copy of all your dreams for the next two weeks in your workbook in the student workbooks forum.
[18:00] <Andra> oh right...:">
[18:00] <@naiya> No prob
[18:01] <@naiya> We pretty much always have some confusion about the time and times zones... xD;
[18:01] <@naiya> Mayhaps next time I'll post a time zone converter
[18:02] <Andra> that wpuld be great :p
[18:06] <@naiya> GabrielG, you'r the youngest one in the class, but you were here first
[18:06] <GabrielG>
[18:06] <GabrielG> A+?
[18:07] <@naiya> hehe
[18:07] <GabrielG>
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[18:09] <Ravemaster7> howdy, sorry I'm late
[18:11] <Ravemaster7> ....hello?
[18:11] <@naiya> You're not late, you're early. xD
[18:11] <Ravemaster7> wonderful!
[18:11] <@naiya> hehe
[18:11] <@naiya> class starts in about 45 minutes
[18:11] <@naiya> But if you want to ask any questions now, go ahead
[18:11] <@naiya> about either the class or LDing
[18:12] <GabrielG> So yeah yesterday was my birthday and last night i remembered two dreams (for the first time in a while and the first time since i started doing this stuff)
[18:12] <Ravemaster7> well happy birthay! was it a milestone?
[18:13] <@naiya> woot, happy birthday
[18:13] <GabrielG> I guess
but when i was blowing out the candles i wished to have a lucid dream but i didn;t
[18:14] <Ravemaster7> I loved realizing when I had multiple dreams per night, is that usual for you now? keeping a dream journal?
[18:14] <@naiya> awww
[18:15] * naiya is writing last night's dreams right now
[18:16] <Ravemaster7> I'm gonna go AFK for a few, brb!
[18:16] <@naiya> Mk
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[18:16] <GabrielG> Alright
[18:16] <@naiya> hello
[18:17] <theboarder> hey there
[18:17] <theboarder> i made it
[18:17] <@naiya> you're early, relax, pull up a chair, ect. ect.
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[18:17] <@naiya> Hi
[18:17] <BagO> Hey
[18:17] <BagO> It's not starting yet is it?
[18:17] <@naiya> You're early, pull up a chair, ect. ect.
[18:17] <@naiya> we officially start in about a half hour
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[18:18] <GabrielG> lol
[18:18] <@naiya> But if you have any questions about LDing or the class itself, go ahead
[18:18] <Xqtftqx> Hello
[18:18] <@naiya> hi
[18:18] <GabrielG> What are some of the assignments like?
[18:18] <Xqtftqx> whens the class start?
[18:18] <Xqtftqx> Timezones are confusing me >_>
[18:19] <@naiya> about 30 minutes xD
[18:19] <Xqtftqx> aw ill have to pause my movie xD
[18:19] <@naiya> I think I'll have to post a converter @ DVA later, haha
[18:19] <GabrielG> Ya could you send me the class times but in Canada's timezone (lol i fail at this stuff) if you can figure it out?
[18:19] <@naiya> Gabriel, didn't you get my PM?
[18:19] <@naiya> I have no idea what Canada's timezone is, so I just googled a timezone converter for ya xD;
[18:20] <@naiya> all the classes are at 7pm PST or pacific standard time. So los angeles
[18:20] <Xqtftqx> i was confused there
i thought it was 8 PST
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[18:21] <GabrielG> that convertor thing is confusing
[18:21] <@naiya>
Time Zone Converter - Time & Time Zone Conversion
[18:22] <BagO> Gabriel what time zone are you in>
[18:22] <BagO> ?
[18:22] <@naiya> lol
[18:22] <@naiya> PST is my timezone
[18:22] <@naiya> so where I am now, it's 6:22PM
[18:22] <BagO> Its weird how it's exactly a 3 hour difference on the dot.
[18:23] <GabrielG> lol could you convert it for me this is confusing for me could you convert what is says to Canada?
[18:23] <GabrielG> the class times to canada D:
[18:23] <Xqtftqx> GabrielG, where are you in canada?
[18:23] <@naiya> I'm GMT -7
[18:24] <@naiya> Where in Canada? xD
[18:24] <@naiya> I believe Canada covers about 3-4 time zones, just like the US.
[18:24] <GabrielG> Ontario
[18:24] <@naiya> What time is it there now?
[18:25] <GabrielG> 9:24 PM
[18:25] <Xqtftqx> your same time as me GabrielG
[18:25] <@naiya> Okay. now add 30 minutes to that.
[18:25] <Xqtftqx> so it starts at 10
[18:25] <@naiya> yes. hehehe xD
[18:25] <@naiya> All the other classes will also be at 10pm your time. xD
[18:25] <GabrielG> could you tell me class times of all days but converted?
[18:25] <GabrielG> what days?
[18:25] <@naiya> Are you in DILD, or DILD and WILD?
[18:25] <Xqtftqx> Monday, Wednesday, Friday. Right?
[18:26] <Xqtftqx> oh
[18:26] <BagO> There all at 10 for you
[18:26] <@naiya> DILD is Mon Wed Fri
[18:26] <@naiya> And all at the same time --10pm, for you.
[18:26] <GabrielG> ok im focusing on dild
[18:26] <@naiya> WILD is also at the same time, on tues/thurs
[18:26] <Xqtftqx> Couldnt have picked better days naiya
[18:26] <@naiya> makes it easy for me to remember that way, haha.
[18:26] <GabrielG> ok my brother sent you a message Naiya about a recurring dream or something he wants to know what it's trying to tell him ( i think that's it) He's spacegeek
[18:26] <GabrielG> so mon wed fri?
[18:27] <GabrielG> at 10:00 PM?
[18:27] <Xqtftqx> yes
[18:27] <GabrielG> ty
[18:27] <@naiya> I'mm PM him
[18:27] <GabrielG> ok
[18:27] <GabrielG> brb
[18:28] <BagO> Gtg be back in 30 mins
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[18:29] <@naiya> Generally, recurring dreams do have an important meaning, but I couldn't tell someone what their dream means.
[18:29] <@naiya> The dreamer is the most qualified person to interpret their own dream.
[18:29] <Xqtftqx> hm, well this is odd naiya
[18:30] <Xqtftqx> Im new to all this, so lately ive just been repeating "wake up after each dream"
[18:30] <GabrielG> he just said to me (sorry for the language) "not really what it meant just what the fuck is going on"
[18:30] <@naiya> Only the dreamer knows why they might make certain connections, associations, and might connect the timing of the dream to certain events.
[18:30] <Xqtftqx> and so far, 80% of the time its been "night mares" :/
[18:30] <@naiya> Aww
poor guy
[18:30] <GabrielG> he says there is a lot of weird stuff so he didnt tell me what it is
[18:30] <Xqtftqx> Well the weird thing is, nothing wrongs during the day
[18:30] <Xqtftqx> im always happy haha
[18:31] <GabrielG>
[18:31] <@naiya> GabrielG: tell him to PM me about it if he's willing to tell me about it...I'll see if I can help
[18:31] == Xqtftqx [
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[18:31] <GabrielG> he is typing it as you said that
[18:31] <@naiya> Xqtftqx: what kinda nightmares?
[18:31] <Xqtftqx> naiya, just standard stuff. Tornados, People inside the house, etc
[18:31] <@naiya> Hmm yeah.
[18:32] <@naiya> Well, lucid dreaming can definitely help nightmares
[18:32] <@naiya> Like I said, I can't say for sure what is causing your nightmares, but generally they happen due to stress and what have you.
[18:32] <GabrielG> im watching him type it it's kinda serious business D;
[18:32] <@naiya> The other thing is, nightmares get your attention more than regular dreams.
[18:32] <GabrielG> it's very strange
[18:32] <Xqtftqx> Yeah, ive noticed that
[18:32] <GabrielG> yeah
[18:32] <@naiya> So it's kind of like your unconscious is saying "HELLO, PAY ATTENTION TO ME!"
[18:33] <Xqtftqx> Yeah, and i mean, i wake up and feel fine
[18:33] <Xqtftqx> i dont wake up in the middle of the night screaming or feel any need to check anything
[18:34] <@naiya> yeah
[18:34] <@naiya> Normally waking up screaming is like...an actual sleep disorder
[18:34] <@naiya> And the person almost never remembers the nightmare at all
[18:34] <@naiya> it's called "night terrors"
[18:34] <@naiya> But anywho, with LDing...you can find out why you're having the nightmare.
[18:35] <@naiya> For example!
[18:35] <@naiya> I had one where I was fighting this psycho priest and he was trapping me in the house
[18:35] <@naiya> He was very very clever, and he almost made me lose my lucidity
[18:35] <@naiya> When I demanded to know why he was doing this, he told me "So I can control you."
[18:36] <GabrielG> that's creepy
[18:36] <@naiya> And when I woke up, I realized.....this is my perception of organized religion. This is what I believe their real motive is. And I feel suppressed and trapped by it.
[18:36] <GabrielG> did you get his message?
[18:36] <Xqtftqx> Wow. Hopefully ill find out whats wrong with me xD
[18:36] <@naiya> GabrielG: I did, but I will probably respond when class is over, since it'll be a long response.
[18:37] <@naiya> But in that case, there was nothing going on in my life at the time which was very stressful or bad. And I wasn't even in a church at the time.
[18:37] <@naiya> The nightmare came up on its own, in its own time.
[18:37] <GabrielG> lol he said "damnit im gonna be playing starcraft II then" he's going to a midnight line up for it
[18:37] <Ravemaster7> so naiya, I hear that you have lucid dreams almost every night now.
[18:38] <Ravemaster7> was there ever a time when it seemed like it wasn't easy for you?
[18:38] <@naiya> Yup, I have them every night pretty much
[18:38] <@naiya> It took me months before I got lucid even once a month.
[18:38] <@naiya> So it was very hard
[18:38] <@naiya> And I tried every single day.
[18:39] <Ravemaster7> that's the ideal goal for me, is to be able to have them often enough so that I can practice more/remember to remember more, you know?
[18:39] <Ravemaster7> that's good to know
[18:39] <Ravemaster7> what was involved in your practice/efforts?
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[18:39] <@naiya> Originally, I didn't have much access to the internet
[18:40] <@naiya> All I had was "look at your hands" and "tell yourself you'll have a lucid dream before you go to bed"
[18:40] <@naiya> That's literally all I had, lol, was sad.
[18:40] <Ravemaster7> did you read EtWoLD?
[18:40] <Ravemaster7> lol you sound like a reg'glar dream pie-oh-neer
[18:40] <Ravemaster7>
[18:40] <@naiya> No, I read no books at all
[18:40] <kookyinc> Hey guys, I'm early, right?
[18:40] <@naiya> I had only heard of LDing from my mom
[18:40] <@naiya> You're early, yup!
[18:41] <kookyinc> Oh, good. I suck at schedules.
[18:41] <Xqtftqx> better add this to google cal xD
[18:41] <Ravemaster7> it's okay, I thought it was earlier too
[18:41] <@naiya>
[18:41] <@naiya> Eventually, we'll have a calendar system for DV for these things
[18:42] <@naiya> So that way it will automatically remind you when a class is, ect.
[18:42] <Xqtftqx> Awesome
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[18:42] <kookyinc> That'll be neat-o.
[18:42] <atras> hi
[18:42] <Ravemaster7> this is all very cool. it's good to see DVA coming together like everyone has envisioned it.
[18:42] <atras> this the DILD class?
[18:42] <@naiya> yup
[18:43] <Ravemaster7> or maybe a little different, i can't be sure. but I'm sure everyone is grateful to people like you, naiya, who dedicate their time to it
[18:43] <GabrielG> Naiya i have a question, im reading the syllabus and it says we need to keep a dream journal everynight is that our profile dream journal or do we get another one for class?
[18:43] <@naiya> ty Rave
[18:44] <@naiya> Ideally, you will all make a thread in the Student workbooks forum and you'll copy&paste your dreams there.
[18:44] <GabrielG> Okay
[18:44] <@naiya> That way it's much easier to keep track of all of you
[18:44] <GabrielG>
[18:44] <@naiya> Plus you'll have your assignments in the same thread.
[18:44] <GabrielG> Okay
[18:44] <kookyinc> I've been bad. I've been recording dreams, but not online.
[18:44] <@naiya> And it'll be easy to read your classmates' dreams, too.
[18:45] <Ravemaster7> I had a weird dream last night.
[18:45] <atras> i have a bunch of dreams recording on my ipod but i dont have wifi right now so i cant send them to my computer XD
[18:45] <GabrielG> I only have 3 dreams online and i have 7 in my own dream journal
[18:45] <Xqtftqx> i havent started a DJ :/
[18:45] <atras> ya me to raven
[18:45] <GabrielG> D:
[18:45] <Xqtftqx> Im a newbie xD
[18:45] <GabrielG>
[18:45] <@naiya> It's all right
[18:45] <GabrielG> me too sorta
[18:45] <@naiya> A lot of the people in the classes are pretty new
[18:46] <Xqtftqx> i was browsing the forum and thought, couldnt think of a better way to start!
[18:46] <Ravemaster7> what really bugs me is knowing what I do about dreams and still never flinching when like, I fight a wolf or something
[18:46] <atras> ive been on DV for more than a year but i kinda got lazy with trying so ive still only had 7 lds XD
[18:47] <@naiya> aw
[18:47] <Ravemaster7> same here atras, I joined last summer and had 2 in the same month I joined, but I got lazy because of college, etc
[18:47] <@naiya> College and work can make it pretty hard, yep.
[18:47] <GabrielG> Does having a really big imagination help with LDing? Because i've written one children's book (not published of course) and I am currently writing one big chapter book and i have the 4 other books in the series planned out, and i want to be a movie director when i grow up (all at the age of 13)
[18:47] <atras> and stress
[18:47] <@naiya> Having an imagination DOES make LDing better, yes!
[18:47] <atras> and i wanna be a movie director to gabriel!
[18:47] <GabrielG>
[18:47] <atras> haahah i love making films
[18:47] <@naiya> The more you daydream, the more you imagine, the more curious you are, the better
[18:47] <GabrielG> Oh i also paint
[18:48] <atras> ya ill pass on painting :p
[18:48] * Xqtftqx has ADD xD
[18:48] <Ravemaster7> the better you can visualize something, the more real you will make it in a dream!
[18:48] <@naiya> As a side note, the ability to visualize things helps a LOT for dream control.
[18:48] * Xqtftqx Daydreams a lot
[18:48] <GabrielG>
i have two youtube videos of my paintings if you wanna check them out
[18:48] <atras> ya i wud think so
[18:48] <atras> haha cool
[18:48] <GabrielG> Naiya is it alright if i put a link to my channel here?
[18:49] <atras> i actually have a short fiction film based on dreaming on utube, but im kinda emberased by it cuz my actors kinda sucked XD
[18:49] <@naiya> Sure, go ahead
[18:49] <GabrielG>
YouTube - Gabthatguyyoukno's Channel
[18:49] <GabrielG> thank you
[18:49] <theboarder> so who here has seen inception??
[18:49] <atras> i have
[18:49] <atras>
YouTube - The Last Dream
[18:49] <Xqtftqx> Not yet :/
[18:49] <GabrielG> saw it the other day i loved it but i got pretty confused lol
[18:50] <atras> its amazin
[18:50] <theboarder> it really is
[18:50] <theboarder> best movie i've seen in a few years
[18:50] <Ravemaster7> Gabe, TMBG = win
[18:50] <atras> ya theres been a lotta crapy movies lately
[18:50] <Xqtftqx> im planning on seein it sometime this week
[18:50] <GabrielG> TMBG?
[18:50] <theboarder> do it
[18:50] <@naiya> I looooved inception
[18:50] <kookyinc> Gabe, nice space painting thing.
[18:50] <atras> TMGB whts tht
[18:50] <Ravemaster7> they might be giants
[18:50] <theboarder> its totally worth the money
[18:50] <GabrielG> Thank you
[18:50] <Xqtftqx> My GF made us go see salt -
[18:50] <Xqtftqx> -_-
[18:50] <GabrielG> lol
[18:50] <Ravemaster7> i heard that sucked...
[18:51] <@naiya> Although I have my bitches about how it handles lucid dreaming.
[18:51] <GabrielG> salt is alright
[18:51] <GabrielG> i saw it
[18:51] <atras> ya nice painting
[18:51] <@naiya> as a movei though, it was amazing.
[18:51] <theboarder> yeah i noticed that too naiya
[18:51] <GabrielG> ty
[18:51] <Xqtftqx> Operation: End Game was a horrible movie too
[18:52] <GabrielG> atras that is amazing
[18:52] <atras> wht is
[18:52] <kookyinc> Clash of the Titans disappointed me.
[18:52] <GabrielG> the video you linked
[18:52] <atras> oh thanks :p
[18:52] <Ravemaster7> the way I look at inceptionwas this: the architect had to make dreams seem/work more like real life in order to convince the target to be more vulnerable
[18:52] <@naiya> GabrielG: awesome painting
[18:52] <atras> so was cobb dreaming
[18:52] <@naiya> Hehehe, I'll have to watch it again before I decide if he was or not.
[18:52] <GabrielG> thanks naiya but imo the ones in the videos suck some newer ones i made are better
[18:53] <GabrielG> lol
[18:53] <@naiya> Spoken like a true artist.
[18:53] <atras> i dont think he was dreaming
[18:53] <Ravemaster7> oh wow, those planets are really cool
[18:53] <@naiya> "my old ones suck, augh!"
lol
[18:53] <GabrielG> lol
[18:53] <Andra> the song is awesome
[18:54] <Ravemaster7> yeah i agree
[18:54] <atras> wht song
[18:54] <Xqtftqx> yeah, GabrielG, what song is that?
[18:54] <Ravemaster7> i guess you're riiight!
[18:54] <Andra> what's it called?
[18:54] <GabrielG> in my cave painting video?
[18:54] <Andra> yep
[18:54] <GabrielG> the first or second one
[18:54] <Andra> first
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[18:54] <Rush2112> Howdy
[18:54] <atras> hey
[18:54] <@naiya> Hey
[18:54] <Andra> hey
[18:54] <Rush2112> I spent half an hour thinking I was in this room
[18:55] <Ravemaster7> annnd the men who hold high places...
[18:55] <Rush2112> When in fact I was not.
[18:55] <Andra> lol
[18:55] <kookyinc> Hey, guess who got arrested today in 1991
[18:55] <GabrielG> the second is I wish by infected mushrooms
[18:55] <atras> someone
[18:55] <kookyinc> Pee Wee Herman
[18:55] <Rush2112> who
[18:55] <GabrielG> the first is I guess your right i dont know the band
[18:55] <atras> REALLY!
[18:55] <kookyinc> Indeedy do!
[18:55] <atras> no way
[18:55] <Ravemaster7> secret word! aaaaaaaah!
[18:55] <GabrielG> huh? lol
[18:56] <Ravemaster7> hahaha he was a vampire in the Buffy movie.
[18:56] <atras> never seen buffy
[18:56] <Andra> me neither
[18:56] <Ravemaster7> oh Paul Reubens, getting arrested for things people do every day.
[18:56] <kookyinc> Hahaha
[18:56] <@naiya> BRB in a few!
[18:56] <atras> smoking weed?
[18:56] <theboarder> so when are we starting this thing?
[18:56] <kookyinc> Masturbating
[18:56] <theboarder> haha i guess in a few
[18:56] <atras> he got arrested for tht
[18:56] <Andra> ha???
[18:57] <Ravemaster7> in a public theater that was showing porn
[18:57] <atras> well thts called public indecency sir
[18:57] <atras> :p
[18:57] <Andra> lol
[18:57] <Ravemaster7> so its like come on, if you leave a sammich on the floor, I might eat it.
[18:57] <atras> no one wanted to see wht he pulled out
[18:57] <Ravemaster7> it was a balloon animal
[18:57] <Ravemaster7> lol
[18:58] <kookyinc> laaaawwwl
[18:58] <Ravemaster7> I wish I could type out the goofy peewee laugh
[18:58] <GabrielG> lol "Ma'am please put your shirt on" "why?" "indecent exposure" "you dont think it's decent?"
[18:58] <atras> someteimes i get rlly confused on cht with like 5 different conversations going on
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[18:58] <atras> hahaahah
[18:58] <@naiya> Mk back
[18:58] <atras> heyyyyy
[18:58] <Ravemaster7> got them lecture notes?
[18:58] <GabrielG> hi
[18:58] <kookyinc> Ello
[18:58] <GabrielG> :
[18:58] <GabrielG> lol
[18:58] <Ravemaster7> :::
[18:59] <Ravemaster7> spidey
[18:59] <@naiya> Lecture notes? yep!
[18:59] <GabrielG> (:::[ ]::
need a band-aid?
[18:59] <atras> ok so a cuple nights ago i had a dream tht a fat man jumped on me and threatened to eat my arms and legs
[18:59] <@naiya> I really shouldn't need them, but we'll need to keep on track...
[18:59] <GabrielG> lol
[18:59] <@naiya> lol Atras. Was he a zombie?
[18:59] <kookyinc> Even the best need them sometimes
[18:59] <atras> no he was hungry
[18:59] <@naiya> Hmm xD
[18:59] <@naiya> Interesting xD
[19:00] <Rush2112> Sarah Palin uses her hand for lecture notes
[19:00] <@naiya> lol.
[19:00] <Ravemaster7> lolol
[19:00] <@naiya> God, please don't compare me to her.
[19:00] <GabrielG> rofl
[19:00] <Rush2112> Haha
[19:00] <Ravemaster7> is that how repudiate turned into refudiate?
[19:00] <atras> do u live in alaska
[19:00] <Rush2112> Me?
[19:00] <kookyinc> Yeah, I think that was uncalled for.
[19:00] <GabrielG> I live in canada
[19:00] <Xqtftqx> and can you see Russia from your house?
[19:00] <atras> ahhaha
[19:00] <@naiya> haha, no, not in alaska thankfully.
[19:00] <Rush2112> Jaja
[19:00] <Rush2112> haha*
[19:00] <atras> no offense to any alaskians
[19:00] <theboarder> don't be hating on alaska
[19:00] <GabrielG> lol
[19:00] * naiya grins
[19:00] <atras> :p
[19:01] * Ravemaster7 tests out emoting
[19:01] <atras> theyre making a movie on facebook
[19:01] <Rush2112> I saw
[19:01] <Rush2112> How freaking dumb
[19:01] <GabrielG> i know
[19:01] <atras> ya haha
[19:01] <@naiya> We'll give it a few more minutes and then I'm going to start the lecture.
[19:01] <Ravemaster7> a movie about it?
[19:01] <GabrielG> lol
[19:01] <atras> its a drama
[19:01] <GabrielG> lol
[19:01] <atras> ya about the founding of facebook
[19:01] <Ravemaster7> that's supremely stupid
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[19:01] <Rush2112> I saw that before Inception and I was like facepalming
[19:01] <atras> yepp
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[19:01] <GabrielG> about the maker of facebook
[19:01] <palmersquall> there we go
[19:02] <kookyinc> Nobody deserves the Palin comparison. I think that the Palin comparison should be a corollary to Godwin's Law.
[19:02] <atras> lol
[19:02] <GabrielG> lol
[19:02] <Ravemaster7> mark zuckerberg called facebook users dumbf*cks
[19:02] <@naiya> lol
[19:02] <Rush2112> Rofl
[19:02] <Rush2112> haha what?
[19:02] <@naiya> Hi pamler
[19:02] <kookyinc> I agree for the most part
[19:02] <atras> iran threatened to arrest him
[19:02] <GabrielG> So when does the class end? I might be going to the midnight line-up for Starcraft II (it's 10:00 PM here)
[19:02] <@naiya> palmer*
[19:02] <palmersquall> hey
[19:02] <@naiya> lol.
[19:02] <@naiya> Class will last about an hour.
[19:02] <Xqtftqx> GabrielG, at 11 i believe
[19:02] <GabrielG> Okay
[19:02] <GabrielG> ty
[19:03] <kookyinc> Yeah, Gabe, East coast!
[19:03] <palmersquall> alright np
[19:03] <GabrielG>
[19:03] <atras> its all about california
[19:03] <Xqtftqx> Ohio
[19:03] <Ravemaster7> I have a friend who worked on that game
[19:03] <@naiya> GabrielG, you'll have to ask your bro to give more details...like...is he sleeping when it happens? Dreaming? I can't tell. :x
[19:03] <palmersquall> i woke up 10 mins before my alarm
[19:03] <GabrielG> IM in Ontario canada D:
[19:03] <palmersquall> for this class
[19:03] <Ravemaster7> he works for Blizzard, he's been so excited about tonight
[19:03] <atras> wooo LA
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[19:03] <@naiya>
[19:03] <Xqtftqx> !up
[19:03] <Xqtftqx> darn :/
[19:03] <atras> hm?
[19:04] <GabrielG> he;s PMing you
[19:04] <GabrielG> Naiya i have kind of a serious question i want to ask you i'll PM you
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[19:04] <Rush2112> I have questions about using binaurals/isochronics with LD techniques
[19:04] <Rush2112> I don't know where to fit them in to that stuff
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[19:05] <@naiya> OK, GabrielG
[19:05] <@naiya> binaurals are not proven to work any better than white noise, i.e. your fan running in the background.
[19:05] <atras> ya all they do is keep me up
[19:05] <@naiya> They help mostly for WILDing, because they cover background noise ect...but yeah, that's about it.
[19:05] <kookyinc> So that's why they didn't work....
[19:05] <@naiya> I can't LD with them because they are too distracting and annoying.
[19:06] <@naiya> I really don't recommend them.
[19:06] <Rush2112> Ok
[19:06] <atras> whts ur suggestion about playing audio tht says ur dreaming on an alarm
[19:06] <Andra> didn't work for me neither
[19:06] <kookyinc> I can't because my headphones hurt my head...
[19:06] <@naiya> Sorry, I know that they often give the impression that they'll give you an instand LD
[19:06] <atras> like having it say it in the middle of the night
[19:06] <kookyinc> And I sleep on my side, so one is pressed up to my ear all night.
[19:07] <Andra> I have that problem too
[19:07] <@naiya> Atras: you can try it, depends on if that will just make you wake up or not. If it's quiet enough to not wake you, and loud enough to hear, then it would probably work.
[19:07] <Andra> ....
[19:07] <atras> ya the problem is everytime ive tried its played when im not ina dream but in deep sleep
[19:07] <@naiya> yeah...
[19:07] <@naiya> IMO...the best way is old skool.
[19:07] <@naiya> basic DILD or WILDs.
[19:07] <Xqtftqx> Theres an app for iPhone that you put under your bed and it wakes you up at the best time, but also records REM
[19:07] <Andra> sure thing
[19:08] <Xqtftqx> so that could be modded to play a tone when you enter REM
[19:08] <@naiya> Unless you want to spring for those goggles that LaBerg uses.
[19:08] <atras> ya ive seen tht Xqtftqx
[19:08] <atras> dream light
[19:08] <Xqtftqx> or say something
[19:08] <@naiya> Hmm, I'll have to try out that app
[19:08] <Rush2112> I think that's a bunch of ubullshit
[19:08] <atras> whts it called do u know
[19:08] <kookyinc> What a cheater, with those goggles...
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[19:08] <@naiya> Anyways, we better start the lecture
[19:08] <muzzy09> that app for the iphone doesnt work so well
[19:08] <Xqtftqx> Uhm, SleepCycle, i wanna say.
[19:08] <kookyinc> No, I'm not jealous or bitter.
[19:08] <james2302> sorry im late
[19:08] <@naiya> Hi James
[19:08] <james2302> hey
[19:08] <atras> hello
[19:08] <@naiya> It's ok, we were just about to start.
[19:08] <james2302> oh good
[19:08] <atras> yayy
[19:09] <Ravemaster7> what do you mean, cheater?
[19:09] <@naiya> So, DILD stands for Dream Induced Lucid Dream, and it's where the dreamer realizes they are dreaming while they're in the dream.
[19:09] <GabrielG> Alright Naiya i sent it
[19:09] <Ravemaster7> Dr. LaBerge invented those goggles... they're scientifical
[19:09] <@naiya> Indeed, they are
[19:09] <@naiya> But expensive as can be
[19:09] <@naiya> Anywho.
[19:10] <@naiya> the main difference between a DILD and a WILD is the break in consciousness.
[19:10] <@naiya> So in a DILD, we have a period where we sort of black out--go into a deep sleep--and then we dream. We get lucid in the dream at some point.
[19:10] <@naiya> For WILD, the dreamer goes directly from being awake to being in the dream, no blackout period at all.
[19:11] <@naiya> They both have their pros and cons.
[19:11] <@naiya> I recommend DILD for beginners, because IMO it's much much easier to learn.
[19:11] <atras> question
[19:11] <@naiya> Most people who have had lucid dreams by accident had some form of DILD.
[19:11] <atras> whts IMO
[19:11] <@naiya> IMO=in my opinion
[19:11] <GabrielG> In my opinion
[19:11] <kookyinc> In my opinion
[19:11] <atras> ok ty
[19:11] <GabrielG>
[19:12] <GabrielG> OKay naiya continue
[19:12] <@naiya> OK, so...the foundation of DILD is dream recall.
[19:12] <@naiya> You need to remember as many dreams and in as much detail as possible.
[19:12] <@naiya> Dream recall, like most things, takes some practice. Some of us will start out with good recall, some will have none at all.
[19:13] <@naiya> The first thing you need to do is start a dream journal, if you haven't already.
[19:13] <@naiya> It can be a paper journal, an online one, or both. Personally, I use both for reasons I'll get to in a sec.
[19:13] <@naiya> Let's start with recalling the dream itself.
[19:14] <@naiya> When you wake up in the morning, or during the night, it is best that you try not to move right away. Try not to move at all, and think about what you were just doing, seeing, feeling, thinking.
[19:14] <@naiya> If you can remember the last moments of the dream, a lot of times you'll be able to recover the entire dream. Just ask yourself, how'd I get there? What happened before that? ect.
[19:15] <Rush2112> Question
[19:15] <@naiya> Try not to be too forceful about it. Sometimes it helps to lay there and think of nothing at all, allowing dream memories to come.
[19:15] <@naiya> Rush, yes?
[19:15] <Rush2112> Ok, so if you've just woken up in the middle of the night
[19:15] <@naiya> Mhm
[19:15] <Rush2112> Does the mean that you for sure just had a dream very recently?
[19:15] <Rush2112> Or do you wake up from other stages
[19:16] <@naiya> Yes. We almost always tend to wake right after the dream, because the sleep stage (REM) which we dream in occurs last in a sleep cycle.
[19:16] <Rush2112> Cool. 1 more
[19:16] <@naiya> This is assuming that you're woken up naturally, of course.
[19:16] <Rush2112> Yeah
[19:16] <@naiya> ok, go ahead
[19:17] <Rush2112> For example, I've started drinking this huge protein shake thing within a couple hours of going to sleep (not for this reason alone of course)
[19:17] <Rush2112> But like
[19:17] <Rush2112> The nights that I've drunken it, I notice I wake up naturally much more than normal
[19:17] <Rush2112> And remember dreams.
[19:17] <Rush2112> Is that in my head?
[19:17] <@naiya> That's probably due to your bladder being so full before bed.
[19:17] <kookyinc> lol
[19:17] <GabrielG> lol
[19:17] <Rush2112> Haha ok
[19:17] <james2302> nice
[19:17] <atras> thts wht i was thinking
[19:18] <Rush2112> I'm going to remember that
[19:18] <kookyinc> I think I like this class
[19:18] <@naiya> Also, remember that with the mind, what we expect to happen will often happen.
[19:18] <@naiya> In other words, it could be a placebo effect.
[19:18] <Rush2112> I thought it was just like... the vitamins in it or something.
[19:18] <@naiya> Although some substances DO increase vividness, recall, ect.
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[19:18] <atras> b vitamins
[19:18] <@naiya> But that's beyond the scope of this class
[19:18] <Rush2112> Now with the placebo, if you suspect it to be a placebo does that ruin the placebo?
[19:18] <@naiya> usually, yes. lol
[19:18] <atras> lol
[19:18] <@naiya> Sorry XD
[19:18] <james2302> lol
[19:18] <Rush2112> Damnit.
[19:19] <kookyinc> Ignorance is bliss
[19:19] <BagO> lol
[19:19] <Rush2112> O
[19:19] <@naiya> Mwahaha. Any more questions before we move on?
[19:19] <Xqtftqx> Quick one
[19:19] <Xqtftqx> if i wake up in the middle of the night, should i get on my lappy to write in the dream journal?
[19:19] <Xqtftqx> or is that a bad idea
[19:19] <@naiya> Yes. you should
[19:19] <GabrielG> you should
[19:20] <atras> b4 u forget
[19:20] <Xqtftqx> Alright, not sure if that would mess anything up.
[19:20] <@naiya> don't worry, I'll get to that now
[19:20] <GabrielG> if you go to sleep mos tlikely in the morning you wont remember that one
[19:20] <@naiya> IT's ALWAYS best to write your dreams down as soon as possible
[19:20] <@naiya> And in as much detail as possible
[19:20] <kookyinc> I heard the light of the laptop screws up one's sleep cycle
[19:20] <@naiya> Even if you think "oh I remember it now" or "oh these notes will jog my memory"
[19:20] <@naiya> Nah, your sleep cycle will be fine.
[19:20] <Rush2112> Does typing them have any less of an impact on your resolve than writing them or...
[19:20] <Ravemaster7> thats only if you look at it for a long time alllll day kooky
[19:21] <kookyinc> Crap. That's me.
[19:21] <@naiya> Yes your body produces hormones based on the amount of light, but it's not gonna mess you up, really.
[19:21] <Ravemaster7> right
[19:21] <@naiya> Anywho, back to DJing
[19:21] <palmersquall> i have my laptop dimmed to max
[19:21] <james2302> dimmed to max?
[19:21] <atras> low light
[19:21] <atras> continue naiya :p
[19:21] <james2302> lol thats an oxymoron
[19:22] <GabrielG> lmao
[19:22] <palmersquall> eh oops
[19:22] <@naiya> Try to write down all the details right away. That's why I keep a paper journal--cause then I can type up the dreams later in the day, or whenever.
[19:22] <@naiya> OK, so what if you have no recall at all?
[19:22] <@naiya> You wake up and it's just...nothing. All black.
[19:22] <@naiya> First of all, again, try to ask yourself what you were doing...and relax. Allow things to come into mind. You'll know if they were in your dream or not.
[19:23] <@naiya> You may ask yourself things like "was my brother there? was I at school?" ect.
[19:23] <@naiya> Finally, if you can't remember anything, JOURNAL anyway! Put something like "No recall." Then write down any feelings or sensations or thoughts you had as you woke up.
[19:24] <@naiya> If you have no recall at all, or you need to improve, one easy way is to do a little autosuggestion. Before you go to bed at night, tell yourself "I will remember my dreams tonight" over and over.
[19:24] <@naiya> Another option is to write it down several times, like in your dream journal.
[19:24] <atras> question
[19:24] <@naiya> yup?
[19:24] <Rush2112> Ok, I have several questions about the pre-sleep mantras and stuff like that
[19:25] <atras> does autosugestion in any way make it more difficult to sleep cuz normally when i try it it takes forever to fall asleep at night
[19:25] <@naiya> OK, let Atras go first, and we'll get to yours, Rush.
[19:25] <Rush2112> Same here
[19:25] <Rush2112> That was my question
[19:25] <GabrielG> ya atras try not to think it too hard
[19:25] <@naiya> Atras: it's different for everyone.
[19:25] <GabrielG> you're focusing too hard lightly think about it
[19:25] <@naiya> The thing is, don't be too strict about it.
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[19:25] <@naiya> Allow yourself to drift off as you're thinking about your mantra
[19:26] <atras> okay
[19:26] <Rush2112> What happens if you lose the train of thought though by thinking too lightly
[19:26] <GabrielG> Sorry for taking over naiya
[19:26] <@naiya> Don't be forceful with your thoughts to keep it going, or it'll keep you awake.
[19:26] <GabrielG> lol
[19:26] <@naiya> No prob, Gabriel
[19:26] <GabrielG> May i say something?
[19:26] <Xqtftqx> Ive found that just saying them 4-5 times then just going to sleep has proven to work
[19:26] <GabrielG> one more thing
[19:26] <Xqtftqx> but that may be just me
[19:26] <@naiya> Sure
[19:26] <kookyinc> Yeah, gently think about it. The mantra.
[19:27] <@naiya> Exactly--you don't have to repeat it all night or anything. Even a few times will help. And try your best to believe it--because it can and does work.
[19:27] <Rush2112> Oh. Well that's the opposite of what I'd been doing :s
[19:27] <Rush2112> I'd been making myself say the mantra like firmly in my head as long as I could... and it never worked.
[19:28] <@naiya> Well, that is one aspect of LDing: it's different for everyone. So if one method works for you, then by all means keep doing it, no matter what anyone tells you
[19:28] <GabrielG> I sort of have something i do every night that helps me have better dream recall but this is just for me it may not work for others, first i go on this site and check out dream journals and so some stuff then i listen to binaural beats for lucid dream then i listen to the song Stop! but ghost k then i listen to a sleeping app on my ipod it's suppsoe to help you relax, but that usually doesn't make me fall asleep then i put my ipod away and im relaxed a
[19:28] <@zebrah> Naiya how many different ideas can you place in a mantra?
[19:28] <@naiya> Zebrah, it's usually best to stick to one thing.
[19:28] <@zebrah> Ok can you use different mantras
[19:29] <@zebrah> Because I never get anywhere with autosuggestion lol
[19:29] <Ravemaster7> you mean different as in from night to night?
[19:29] <@naiya> Sure, you can
[19:29] <Xqtftqx> GabrielG, im listening to stop right now.
[19:29] <@naiya> I wouldn't recommend from night to night, though.
[19:29] <GabrielG>
me too
[19:29] <@zebrah> Mmm
[19:29] <@zebrah> Thanks
[19:29] <@naiya> Ideally you want to have the same routine every night. This is very key to LDing.
[19:29] <GabrielG> that song makes me think so yeah
[19:29] <@naiya> But I'll get more into that later
[19:29] <GabrielG> Alright
[19:29] <@naiya> OK so...a few more tips for recall.
[19:29] <@zebrah> Ok so I can have three mantras I do every night
[19:30] <@naiya> When you get up in the morning, DO NOT start thinking about what you have to do that day, what you did the day before, ect ect.
[19:30] <@naiya> That just...kills recall.
[19:30] <@naiya> Zebrah: yeah
[19:30] <Rush2112> Ok.
[19:30] <@zebrah> thanks
[19:31] <@naiya> finally, if it's possible, try not to open your eyes when you wake up
[19:31] <atras> ya ive found keeping my eyes close rlly helps with recall
[19:31] <Rush2112> If you've already opened your eyes should you close them or is it to late
[19:31] <Rush2112> too*
[19:31] <@naiya> That is probably more advanced, but it's something that is great if you can do it or train yourself to.
[19:31] <kookyinc> Any tips for how one goes about breaking that habit?
[19:32] <@naiya> If you're a deep sleeper and you need to get to work/school, set two alarms and be sure they're in arm's reach. So one about 5-1o minutes before you have to get up so you can recall and DJ
[19:32] <@naiya> Kook: Yes. When you wake up and open your eyes, close them right away, and relax.
[19:32] <GabrielG> Oh yeah that reminds me i have a question
[19:32] <@naiya> yes?
[19:33] <kookyinc> Thanks
[19:33] <GabrielG> when summer is over is there classes? D:
[19:33] <atras> lol
[19:33] <@naiya> We will still have classes when summer is over
[19:33] <GabrielG> Becuase if they're at like 10 to 11 that might not work well with me
[19:33] <@naiya> But I have a packed schedule then, so I will not be teaching as much
[19:33] <atras> i find them rlly helpful good job *thumbs up*
[19:33] <GabrielG> But you're awesome D:
[19:34] <@naiya> We will probably have more that don't require lectures or where the lectures are optional.
[19:34] <@naiya> Aw, ty
[19:34] <GabrielG>
[19:34] <@naiya> Anywho, that's about it for recall and DJing.
[19:34] <Rush2112> I think my biggest downfall has been inconcistency tbh
[19:34] <atras> same
[19:34] <@naiya> consistency is VERY important, yes.
[19:34] <Rush2112> I don't think I've gone more than two days with the same "routine"
[19:34] <@zebrah> Some classes will also be more like workshops with information being posted in forums
[19:34] <GabrielG> Oh and naiya are you going to respond to my message after class?
[19:34] <@naiya> GabrielG: I will
[19:35] <GabrielG> my PM
[19:35] <@naiya> And your bro's, too.
[19:35] <GabrielG> okay
[19:35] <GabrielG> ty
[19:35] <GabrielG> alright
[19:35] <@naiya> OK, so...does anyone have a good idea what dream signs are, and knows what their dreamsigns might be?
[19:35] <Rush2112> Now since I'm in the WILD class too, It IS possible to practice both WILDs and DILDs simultaneously right
[19:35] <Rush2112> Oh me!
[19:35] <atras> me!
[19:35] <Xqtftqx> Me!
[19:35] <james2302> i know what they are
[19:35] <@naiya> Rush: sure, I do both DILD and WILD
[19:35] <@naiya> Very very good
[19:35] <Rush2112> Ok.
[19:35] <james2302> but i dont know what mine are
[19:35] <atras> i got an idea from inception
[19:35] <atras> spinning a coin
[19:35] <BagO> I cant find any of my dreamsigns..
[19:35] <Ravemaster7> I have a good idea of what they are, but I don't usually have consistent dreamsigns
[19:35] <james2302> lol inception
[19:36] <Rush2112> I see drugs, mostly pot in a ton of my dreams
[19:36] <BagO> and i probably have 100 dreams written down
[19:36] <Rush2112> And I've never used any in real life so...
[19:36] <@naiya> Well, we'll get to RCs like the totems in Inception later. The totems were not done as well as they could be so I will definitely mention that later
[19:36] <atras> looking at hands
[19:36] <james2302> i need to see inception
[19:36] <Ravemaster7> I became lucid looking at my hands twice. it was freaky
[19:36] <Rush2112> So I guess seeing or using pot is my dreamsign that's repeated a lot
[19:36] <atras> same
[19:36] <Ravemaster7> yes you do, james. so good!
[19:36] <@naiya> So to define a Dreamsign--this is an object, place, person, feeling, ect. that appears in your dreams regularly.
[19:36] <atras> amazinh
[19:36] <GabrielG> well in a lot of my dreams i am in danger of dying but they're not all that scary and my dreams have a lot of video game stuff in them
[19:37] <@naiya> In order to identify your dreamsigns, you must keep track of your dreams, which means journaling them in detail.
[19:37] <GabrielG> like video games i play a lot
[19:37] <@naiya> reamsigns CAN and DO change over time.
[19:37] <@zebrah> Naiya the point of totems was not to see if you were dreaming. It was to see if you were in your dream. Cob's top spinning forever was secondary
[19:37] <james2302> you should rc anytime you play them
[19:37] <atras> ya but it can be used to see if ur dreaming
[19:37] <@naiya> Ah, that's right Zebrah. I need to see the movie again
[19:37] <@zebrah> Lol
[19:37] <@zebrah> I just watched it
[19:37] <@naiya> Well, anywho.
[19:37] <Rush2112> I definitely have a dreamsign category
[19:37] <GabrielG> just did an RC
[19:37] <Rush2112> That appears mos toften
[19:37] <Rush2112> Is that useful?
[19:38] <@naiya> I will now make a shameless plug for our website
[19:38] <james2302> were you dreaming?
[19:38] <GabrielG> nope
[19:38] <GabrielG>
[19:38] <james2302> lol
[19:38] <Ravemaster7> actually, a totem was only good for seeing if you were in another person's dream
[19:38] <@naiya> IF you use Dreamviews DJ system, it will help your track your dreamsigns.
[19:38] <Ravemaster7> as dreams are created from our expectations, if you are in your own dream, you could expect it to behave normally
[19:38] <@naiya> All you have to do is tag the things in each dream, and the tag cloud in your menu will show the things that appear most often.
[19:38] <Rush2112> I use Lucidipedia for dream journaing because the interface is easy
[19:39] <atras> i use an ipod app called reams
[19:39] <atras> dreams
[19:39] <james2302> i should use the tags more often
[19:39] <@naiya> Either way, if you want to DILD, knowing your dreamsigns is very important.
[19:39] <GabrielG> atras ima check that out now
[19:39] <@naiya> I have that app. xD
[19:39] <atras>
[19:39] <GabrielG> but i usually use the notes part of my ipod
[19:39] * Xqtftqx goes to check if its on android
[19:39] <atras> tht wud work too
[19:40] <GabrielG> lol
[19:40] <james2302> i bet it is
[19:40] <@naiya> Anywho...the point of the dreamsign is to be aware of it, and RC when you see it IRL.
[19:40] <GabrielG> atras is it just called dreams? :d
[19:40] <GabrielG> ;D
[19:40] <atras> yes
[19:40] <GabrielG> hmm cant find it
[19:40] <@naiya> This habit, just like a normal RC, will eventually carry over into your dreams and get your lucid.
[19:41] <james2302> lol how is rush supposed to rc with pot if he doesnt do it?
[19:41] <GabrielG> nvm found it okay continue Naiya
[19:41] <Ravemaster7> the only RC that ever carried over for me was looking at my hands :/
[19:41] <atras> has a moon as the label
[19:41] <@zebrah> Might I add it is important to remind yourself why you are doing a reality check. Simply doing it doesnt help
[19:41] <@naiya> hehe
[19:41] <@naiya> Yeah.
[19:41] <Ravemaster7> even though i do the finger-through-palm and nosehold ones quite often..
[19:41] <@naiya> We will be getting deeper into RCs in the next lecture
[19:41] <GabrielG> oh dreambook?
[19:41] <@zebrah> ok lol
[19:41] <Ravemaster7> right, you have to seriously question your state of consciousness
[19:42] <atras> purple background witha moon
[19:42] <atras> it just says dreams on my ipod
[19:42] <Ravemaster7> 'is this a dream? could this be happening in a dream?'
[19:42] <GabrielG> oh dream journal
[19:42] <@naiya> With a moon, yes
[19:42] * naiya has that one too
[19:42] <GabrielG>
[19:42] <atras> ahha
[19:42] <GabrielG> 2 bucks D;
[19:42] <GabrielG> i might get in trouble for buying it but w/e
[19:42] <atras> rlly
[19:42] <Xqtftqx> Android app is a double rainbow lol
[19:42] <GabrielG> lol
[19:42] <atras> i got it for 99 cents
[19:43] <Ravemaster7> lolol
[19:43] <@naiya> But yeah...dreamsigns are pretty simple that way. Keep track of your current ones, read your dream journal, read other people's journals, and spot the dreamsigns.
[19:43] <Ravemaster7> all the way across the sky
[19:43] <GabrielG>
[19:43] <GabrielG> It's beautiful *breaks into tears*
[19:43] <@naiya> Hmm 15 minutes left....
[19:43] <GabrielG> guys shut up
[19:43] <@naiya> Shall we go over awareness or Rcing?
[19:43] <GabrielG> continue naiya
[19:43] <GabrielG> Okay
*stares with eyes bulging out*
[19:44] <james2302> don't you mean 8D ?
[19:44] <@naiya> Mayhaps we'll try to get through RCing
[19:44] <GabrielG> 8D
[19:44] <@naiya> OK, so everyone probably knows basically what a reality check is yeah? You're testing to see if you're dreaming or not.
[19:44] <kookyinc> I vote save awareness for next time. That's just me though.
[19:44] <atras> ya
[19:45] <@naiya> The concept is very simple, but a lot of people fall into the trap of doing it wrong
[19:45] <Ravemaster7> critical state test!
[19:45] <@naiya> The most important thing about RCing is to be AWARE of what you're doing. Don't just mindlessly go "am I dreaming? *pinch* nope"
[19:45] <@naiya> IF you spend less than 5 seconds RCing, generally it's not gonna help much.
[19:46] <@naiya> When you RC, you first need to step back, take a deep breath, and look around you.
[19:46] <@naiya> Look at the world objectively.
[19:46] <@naiya> Does it make sense?
[19:46] <@naiya> How did you get here?
[19:46] <@naiya> Who are these people?
[19:46] <@naiya> Why are you here?
[19:46] <@naiya> What were you doing last? Can you remember?
[19:47] <@naiya> It's VERY important to answer these questions with LOGIC.
[19:47] <Xqtftqx> So punching the wall = bad idea?
[19:47] <@naiya> hehehe
[19:47] <Ravemaster7> only if you honestly expect it to hurt
[19:47] <GabrielG> oh btw xqt how are your fingers?
[19:47] <Xqtftqx> A little sore..
[19:47] <atras> lol
[19:47] <GabrielG> * tsk tsk*
[19:47] <atras> u can feel pain in dreams
[19:47] <@naiya> Now ask yourself, "Why would this be real?" --so start off ASSUMING that it is a dream.
[19:47] <@zebrah> In dreams your mind will try to rationalize. It will make up a story so it is important to do a mental check
[19:48] <@naiya> This will make it easier to RC when you ARE dreaming.
[19:48] <@naiya> Now, you may try to confirm the RC by doing the test.
[19:48] <@naiya> Pinch your nose, try to make a pen float, ect. ect.
[19:48] <atras> can i say something
[19:48] <@naiya> Sure
[19:49] <@naiya> And btw--don't sorry about assuming reality is a dream. You're not gonna go crazy and end up believing reality is a dream and jumping off a cliff
[19:49] <atras> i find tht rc's tht regard pain or unability to breathe dont always work becuz i sometimes feel pain in my dreams, and have had the feeling of not being able to breathe before
[19:49] <@naiya> don't worry* <<
[19:49] <@naiya> Yes, you do actually feel pain in dreams.
[19:50] <james2302> sometimes
[19:50] <atras> so i find those rc's unreliable
[19:50] <@zebrah> Pain is in the mind
[19:50] <@naiya> And like you, I've not been able to breathe in a dream, too.
[19:50] <@naiya> This is why you have to select these tests carefully.
[19:50] <@naiya> For example, the finger through the palm always seems to work for me.
[19:50] <@naiya> It may not work for another person.
[19:50] <james2302> same here
[19:50] <atras> unless ur mind makes it so ur finger doesnt go through :p
[19:50] <@naiya> If you do the test in a dream and it FAILS, then stop doing that test.
[19:51] <@naiya> atras: that's the thing, it always does
[19:51] <Ravemaster7> atras, the thing is, in your dreams you control your mind
[19:51] <kookyinc> The memory recall almost always works for me. Just saying.
[19:51] <@naiya> But the reason it works is that I have already RCed--so I already expect to see my finger go through.
[19:51] <atras> never tried memory recall but it makes sense
[19:51] <BagO> question
[19:51] <@naiya> Bag0: yup?
[19:52] <BagO> Is it OK to do multiple reality checks at one time like look at hands pinch nose and push your finger through your palm? Or should they be done seperate times
[19:52] <@naiya> yes, it's very ok
[19:52] <@naiya> As long as you don't mind looking weird doing all those things, lol.
[19:52] <james2302> at the exact same time?
[19:52] <BagO> lol
[19:52] <@zebrah> Well I would make them separate
[19:52] <Ravemaster7> is it ok to chain combo moves in mortal combat?
[19:52] <@naiya> lol.
[19:53] <BagO> noooo
[19:53] <@zebrah> Yes
[19:53] <atras> the thing with rc's is i find tht the habbit never carries over to my dreams
[19:53] <BagO> not at the same time
[19:53] <Ravemaster7> crap no i might win that way
[19:53] <BagO> at the same reality check you do them in order
[19:53] <@naiya> Ok, so to make RCing really work.
[19:53] <james2302> ah, gotcha
[19:53] <@naiya> You need to be consistent with them
[19:53] <@zebrah> You don't want RCs to be a habbit but a state of mind
[19:53] <@naiya> That is the key
[19:53] <atras> ya i havent been very consistent XD
[19:53] <@zebrah> If you just do it by habit you most likely will not become lucid
[19:53] <@naiya> Doing random RCs helps, but it helps much more to do them for dreamsigns and always at the same things.
[19:54] <james2302> as soon as were done, imma go back and re-tag all of my new dj entries
[19:55] <atras> same
[19:55] <@zebrah> Why does it help more with dream signs?
[19:55] <james2302> see if i can find me a dreamsign
[19:55] <@zebrah> just like an anchor?
[19:55] <@naiya> Anywho, other good RCs include reading the same thing twice to see if it's the same, checking to see if electronics are working properly, looking at your hands, ect.
[19:55] <Ravemaster7> flick a lightswitch
[19:55] <atras> i do the read same thing twice once in a dream and it stayed the same..
[19:55] <@naiya> It helps more with dreamsigns because it ensures that the habit will carry over when you are actually dreaming.
[19:55] <atras> lol
[19:55] <@naiya> So let's say I dream of a dog every night
[19:55] <@zebrah> Ok I see
[19:55] <@naiya> If I RC every time I see a dog IRL, soon this will become a habit
[19:56] <@naiya> That habit will eventually carry over into my dreams. I will see a dog, and then RC.
[19:56] <Rush2112> What if it's something you do NOT see daily or ever
[19:56] <Ravemaster7> but that's if your *dreams* are consistent
[19:56] <Rush2112> Like for me, marijuana
[19:56] <james2302> lol thats what i said
[19:56] <atras> then u need to get some weed...lol jk
[19:56] <@naiya> Rush: if you don't see your dreamsign IRL, that is actually even better
[19:57] <Rush2112> Yeah but how?
[19:57] <Rush2112> How can I associate my mind with it then
[19:57] <james2302> do an RC every time you think of pot
[19:57] <@naiya> When this is the case, what you want to do is, associate that object with dreaming.
[19:57] <@naiya> Whenever you think of it, RC, and remind yourself that if you DO see it, you're dreaming
[19:57] <atras> so seeing pot in reality is like an impossibility for u
[19:58] <atras> so if u see it u know ur dreaming
[19:58] <atras> lightbulb
[19:58] <@naiya> yup
[19:58] <atras> :p
[19:58] <@naiya> I have a certain DC
[19:58] <@naiya> he doesn't exist IRL
[19:58] <@naiya> but he's in a lot of my dreams
[19:58] <Ravemaster7> watch the news; industrial growing just became legal in oakland CA so you might see it more on TV
[19:58] <@naiya> I get lucid the second I see him
[19:58] <Rush2112> Thing is, I have ADD and my memory isn't great
[19:58] <Ravemaster7> do an RC then
[19:58] <Rush2112> I wont' "remember" that pot is a dreamsign if I see it
[19:58] <@naiya> ADD is no excuse!!
[19:58] <Xqtftqx> Rush2112, dont worry you will
[19:58] <Ravemaster7> if you think you won't, you're right
[19:58] <Rush2112> Growing hemp became legal?
[19:59] <@naiya> My brother has ADD and he's an avid lucid dreamer
[19:59] <Rush2112> Awsome
[19:59] <Rush2112> Good to know
[19:59] <Ravemaster7> no, growing medicinal marijuana
[19:59] <@naiya> hehe
[19:59] <Rush2112> Oh
[19:59] <GabrielG> Naiya i have a question, are you like friends with any DCs that dont exist irl? I've always wanted that to happen to me
[19:59] <Xqtftqx> I have ADD too, and youll only have problem remembering things if you dont want to
[19:59] <Rush2112> Growing hemp shouldn't be illegal
[19:59] <Rush2112> That's the biggest BS law
[19:59] <Ravemaster7> hemp should have been legal decades ago, it's better than paper and fabrics
[19:59] <@naiya> GabrielG: I am with some of them, yep.
[19:59] <Ravemaster7> but that's off topic
[19:59] <GabrielG> cool
[19:59] <Rush2112> EXACLTY'
[19:59] <atras> hemp is good as a fabric
[19:59] <@naiya> We're just about out of time, so...hmm.
[19:59] <GabrielG> but do they act weird or are they pretty realistic?
[19:59] <@zebrah> and paper
[19:59] <Rush2112> It was legal during WW2 because the gov was desparate for it
[19:59] <atras> focus
[20:00] <@naiya> They act very very realistic. Scarily so.
[20:00] <Rush2112> But then when it was over they returned to their shitty "no hemp" stance
[20:00] <GabrielG> guys let's stay on topic here
[20:00] <GabrielG> lol
[20:00] <GabrielG> cool
[20:00] <@naiya> Well, let's see. I think that just about covers RCing.
[20:00] <@naiya> I will probably ramble about it some more next time cause I'm sure I forgot a bunch.
[20:00] <@naiya> All I want to say is that I don't recommend using RCs by themselves.
[20:00] <Ravemaster7> it's about time for some of us on the east coast to put some of this knowledge to work!
[20:00] <@naiya> IMO, RCs go best with MILD.
[20:01] <@naiya> hehe
[20:01] <BagO> What is MILD again?
[20:01] <Rush2112> OK, what's our assignment again
[20:01] <@naiya> Mnemonic Induction of Lucid Dream
[20:01] <atras> so our workbooks r supposed to be our dream journals?
[20:01] <james2302> Mnemonic
[20:01] <atras> mantras
[20:01] <@naiya> And we'll cover MILD next time, or the time after
[20:01] <@naiya> Workbooks are your dream journals + your assignments, yes.
[20:01] <GabrielG> So how do we get to our workbooks?
[20:01] <GabrielG>
[20:01] <GabrielG> What's our homework?
[20:01] <@naiya> Assignment: Each student must start a mandatory dream journal and post in it for the duration of the course, even if no dreams are remembered students must still post something, professors should be actively monitoring and giving suggestions to those students who have poor/no recall, and helping students identify dream signs
[20:02] <james2302> sleep
[20:02] <Xqtftqx> Sounds exciting
[20:02] <@naiya> Assignment: Practice RCs throughout the day
[20:02] <@naiya>
[20:02] <atras> DV Academy section is where they r
[20:02] <james2302> lol already started
[20:02] <@naiya> Yep. The Student Workbook forum
[20:02] <@naiya> This pretty much concludes this class.
[20:02] <Xqtftqx> Thank you naiya
[20:02] <@naiya> I'll stay after for an hour for any questions, though.
[20:02] <Rush2112> Thanks a bunch
[20:02] <atras> next class is wednesday?
[20:03] <james2302> thanks for the class
[20:03] <Rush2112> Next class Weds?
[20:03] <@naiya> yup, weds
[20:03] <BagO> Yeah thanks a lot
[20:03] <atras> thanks
[20:03] <james2302> i needs to sleep now
[20:03] <james2302> bye everyone
[20:03] <GabrielG> how do i go to the workbook forum?
[20:03] <Rush2112> Bye
[20:03] <Ravemaster7> bye everyone!
[20:03] <kookyinc> Later guys
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[20:03] <kookyinc> Thanks for the lesson
[20:03] <Ravemaster7> good luck dreaming tonight
[20:03] <GabrielG> cya everyone!
[20:03] <@naiya> It's a subforum of DVA
[20:03] <@naiya>
http://www.dreamviews.com/f86/
[20:03] <atras>
http://www.dreamviews.com/f86/
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[20:03] <@zebrah> Night
[20:04] <Xqtftqx> Ive still got +3 hours of my night xD
[20:04] <atras> same
[20:04] <@naiya> it's only 8pm here
[20:04] <GabrielG> So do i just reply to it or what?
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[20:04] <atras> start a thread
[20:04] <GabrielG> how?
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[20:04] <atras> post new thread button
[20:04] <GabrielG> i dont see that D:
[20:04] <atras> r u logged in
[20:05] <Xqtftqx> you gotta be to see the forum
[20:05] <GabrielG> yeah
[20:05] <atras> r u in the workbook section
[20:05] <GabrielG> yeah
[20:05] <atras> at the top of the page
[20:05] <atras> it says post new thread
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[20:06] <GabrielG> i dont see it
[20:06] <atras> right above the thing tht says Forum: Student Workbooks
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[20:06] <GabrielG> i just see Thread:student workbooks how do i go to the forum for it? lol
[20:06] <@naiya> thread? o.O
[20:06] <@naiya>
http://www.dreamviews.com/f86/
[20:07] <GabrielG> I
[20:07] <atras> click on students workbooks
[20:07] <GabrielG> Ah
[20:07] <GabrielG> Okay
[20:07] <atras> yaaaa XD
[20:07] <GabrielG> lol ty
[20:07] <atras> see it now
[20:07] <@naiya>
[20:07] <GabrielG> so once i put my thread then yo enter new stuff to it what do i do?
[20:08] <GabrielG> I dont really understand this stuff
[20:08] <@naiya> Hehe. You make a thread in student workbooks.
[20:08] <@naiya> It will be your thread--your workbook.
[20:08] <GabrielG> how do i add something like a dream journal entry to my thread?
[20:08] <@naiya> You will post all the dreams you have each day while you're in the class, plus assignments.
[20:08] <atras> just reply
[20:08] <@naiya> copy and paste the text from your dream journal
[20:08] <@naiya> or reply and type up the dream
[20:08] <GabrielG> oh reply?
[20:09] <GabrielG> Okay thank you
[20:09] <GabrielG> alright it's up so im gonna go now good night everybody sweet dreams!
[20:09] <atras> hey Naiya
[20:09] <GabrielG> Naiya thank you so much for the help and stuff
[20:10] <GabrielG> you're the best
[20:10] <atras> my dream journal is on my ipod which cannot connect to interentt for like a couple days so i wont have any dreams in my workbook until i can concect it
[20:10] <atras> is tht ok
[20:10] <@naiya>
[20:10] <@naiya> no prob, atras.
[20:10] <atras> ok cool
[20:10] <GabrielG> night atras
[20:10] <atras> night gabe
[20:11] <@naiya> as long as your journal every day, I mean ideally you post them too, but it's more important for yourself to journal them somehow.
[20:11] <GabrielG> Cya wednesday Naiya
[20:11] <atras> ya theyll be up prolly by wednesday
[20:11] <@naiya> bye gabriel
[20:11] <@naiya> no prob, weds is fine
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[20:12] <atras> ok im gonna go..thanks so much for the class
night
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[20:13] <@naiya> night
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[20:28] <@naiya> Oh right...I should record the logs
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