Thread: Q&A Session: Log Posted

Here is the log from the Question & Answer session.

Edit: Just to clarify, my name is DaveyCash in the chat because Alex (the DV owner) has a sense of humour

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[00:01] DaveyCash: welcome to my meditation question & answer session
[00:01] DaveyCash: how is everyone's meditation going so far?
[00:02] fOrceez: Good! :D
[00:02] DaveyCash: have you had any success with the technique covered in the last lesson (Lesson 4)?
[00:03] fOrceez: Focal meditation on a mantra?
[00:04] DaveyCash: yep, the combined technique
[00:04] fOrceez: Depends what the end result is supposed to be like. I've meditated on the mantra 'I know the feeling of dreaming' once or twice
[00:04] Dark_Merlin|BRB: dan=bgut
[00:04] Dark_Merlin|BRB: !back
[00:04] Dark_Merlin|BRB is now known as Dark_Merlin.
[00:04] fOrceez: Nice.
[00:05] Dark_Merlin: but im naked :/
[00:05] fOrceez: dude wtf.
[00:05] DaveyCash: welcome Dark_Merlin
[00:05] fOrceez: David is being guru today :P
[00:05] DaveyCash: well, that's why I'm here; to answer any questions you've got about it or any other aspects of meditation
[00:06] Dark_Merlin: trying to think of questions :P
[00:06] Dark_Merlin: aha
[00:06] Dark_Merlin: i've been trying the combined meditation
[00:06] Dark_Merlin: really thats what i've been doing while i go to sleep
[00:06] Dark_Merlin: i'll sit and clear my mind
[00:07] Dark_Merlin: then focus on my mantra completley
[00:07] DaveyCash: ok
[00:07] Dark_Merlin: last night i fell asleep doing that and had an LD!
[00:07] Dark_Merlin: :P
[00:07] DaveyCash: oh nice!
[00:08] DaveyCash: have you noticed any increase in recall while you've been doing meditation?
[00:08] Dark_Merlin: oh!
[00:08] fOrceez: OH! Yeah!
[00:08] Dark_Merlin: now that you mention it yeah!
[00:08] Dark_Merlin: since i've been meditating i've been getting REALLY vivid and immersive dreams
[00:08] Dark_Merlin: all my dreams feel like i'm living them
[00:08] Dark_Merlin: and i wake up after every one of them
[00:09] DaveyCash: wow, that's great
[00:09] DaveyCash: have you felt more aware in them?
[00:09] fOrceez: I'd agree with my dreams feel like i'm living in them.
[00:09] Dark_Merlin: i'd say so
[00:09] DaveyCash: and fOrceez, what about you?
[00:09] fOrceez: Aware, yeah, i'd say so too.
[00:09] DaveyCash: that's interesting
[00:10] DaveyCash: so, haha, do you have any questions for me?
[00:10] fOrceez: Why so ?
[00:10] fOrceez: Not really >_<
[00:10] DaveyCash: oh, interesting in a good way
[00:11] DaveyCash: what about you Dark_Merlin?
[00:11] GanjaCash^: i have no medidation
[00:11] GanjaCash^: i stress
[00:11] Dark_Merlin: oop sorry
[00:11] Dark_Merlin: back
[00:12] DaveyCash: GanjaCash^: have you tried meditating before when you're stressed?
[00:12] Dark_Merlin: do you have any tips for getting better at void meditation?
[00:12] GanjaCash^: no
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[00:13] Dark_Merlin: i seem to be a lot better at focal than void
[00:13] DaveyCash: GanjaCash^: would you want to try meditating?
[00:14] GanjaCash^: ye
[00:14] GanjaCash^: tbh i havent read all of ur lessons i tihnk
[00:14] DaveyCash: ok
[00:15] DaveyCash: I'd recommend go straight to lesson 2: void meditation, unless you think you need to brush up on the meditation basics
[00:15] DaveyCash: but lesson 2 covers the first technique
[00:15] fOrceez: SW,
[00:16] fOrceez: What meditation technique do you use? And what for?
[00:16] DaveyCash: ok, I'll answer Dark_Merlin's question first, then yours fOrceez :)
[00:16] fOrceez: np.
[00:16] DaveyCash: Dark_Merlin, do you find it hard to actually clear your mind in void meditation?
[00:16] Dark_Merlin: yeah
[00:16] Dark_Merlin: i always have something going on
[00:17] Dark_Merlin: i can replace it with my mantra or whatever my focus is in focal med
[00:17] DaveyCash: ok
[00:17] Dark_Merlin: but in void meditation it just leads to scattered thoughts
[00:17] DaveyCash: ok, are you ok with getting past the initial breathing exercise, before the void meditation?
[00:17] Dark_Merlin: how do you mean 'getting past" aha
[00:18] fOrceez: steadying your breath
[00:18] Dark_Merlin: i'll sit and breathe until i feel really relaxed and then start
[00:18] fOrceez: feeling it get shallower
[00:18] DaveyCash: ok, that's good
[00:18] DaveyCash: right, I'll go through how I do void meditation with you
[00:19] DaveyCash: (sorry about the slow typing, people were just talking to me)
[00:20] Dark_Merlin: thats cool aha
[00:20] DaveyCash: I start with my eyes closed, and I first focus on sound
[00:20] DaveyCash: I try to pay attention to every sound that I can hear
[00:20] DaveyCash: and try to become aware of them all
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[00:21] DaveyCash: then what I do is, I shift my focus to something completely different: touch
[00:21] Dark_Merlin: hm
[00:21] DaveyCash: I try to be aware of the feeling in my hands touching my knees
[00:22] DaveyCash: and of the feeling of sitting down on the floor, the feeling of my eyelids being shut
[00:22] DaveyCash: etc
[00:23] Dark_Merlin: heightened awareness
[00:23] DaveyCash: I do this for as many senses as I can, and then I try to start being aware of more than just one
[00:23] Dark_Merlin: through each of the senses
[00:23] DaveyCash: yes
[00:23] Dark_Merlin: but isnt that focal?
[00:24] Dark_Merlin: replacing your thoughts with sensory imput
[00:24] DaveyCash: at first, yes, but
[00:24] DaveyCash: I aim to be slightly aware of all the senses, rather than very aware of one
[00:25] DaveyCash: at this point where my attention is scattered in small bits, it becomes easier for me to ignore everything that's going on around me
[00:25] DaveyCash: because it all start to seem like background thoughts
[00:25] Dark_Merlin: that makes sense to me now
[00:26] DaveyCash: that's good
[00:26] Dark_Merlin: you dont simply just sit and get all your thoughts to go away
[00:26] Dark_Merlin: being aware of all your senses at once just makes you aware of yourself completely
[00:26] DaveyCash: and finally I get to the point that the thoughts are just passing through me, because I'm paying so  little attention to each of them
[00:26] Dark_Merlin: and the thoughts slow and you dont pay attention
[00:26] Dark_Merlin: yeah!
[00:26] Dark_Merlin: :D
[00:26] fOrceez: Wait- so does that mean i'm doin it wrong?
[00:26] DaveyCash: so does that all make sense?
[00:27] DaveyCash: I kind of answered your question too fOrceez, at least, that is how I do void meditation
[00:27] Dark_Merlin: it makes sense now
[00:27] DaveyCash: ok :)
[00:28] fOrceez: Well then, what technique of meditation do you use the most/find the most helpful for what you want to achieve?
[00:28] DaveyCash: fOrceez: I use void meditation by itself, when I feel particularly stressed
[00:28] DaveyCash: or if I'm angry or sad
[00:28] DaveyCash: hmm
[00:29] DaveyCash: I guess I use the combined technique the most. Because I'm constantly trying to improve my recall further and have more LDs, and mantra meditation seems to help me with that
[00:30] Dark_Merlin: i really like the combined technique
[00:30] Dark_Merlin: even if i havent been doing the void as well as i could
[00:30] DaveyCash: fOrceez: what do you think it is that you want to achieve from meditation?
[00:30] fOrceez: Just to make it clear: the combined technique is focal on a thought?
[00:30] Dark_Merlin: combined technique is void meditation to clear your mind
[00:31] Dark_Merlin: then focal meditation on a mantra
[00:31] DaveyCash: yes
[00:31] Dark_Merlin: for increased MILD capabilities >:D
[00:31] • DaveyCash was beaten to the punch
[00:31] fOrceez: I want a deeper understanding of myself, and if i can,
[00:31] fOrceez: get more lucids from the focal med on mantra.
[00:31] fOrceez: Seeing as i'm taking the day off, i'll do some meditation later.
[00:31] DaveyCash: ok, well,
[00:32] fOrceez: Also; if you could tell me if i'm doing void meditation correctly, that'd be awesome..
[00:32] DaveyCash: a deeper understanding of yourself is gained through void meditation to a certain point, and then meditating on your 'self' (focal meditation in a way)
[00:33] fOrceez: I do breathing for about a minute,  then I start my meditation. I don't do the early focal meditation that you do, i just let my mind.. be at ease?
[00:33] DaveyCash: so I think that could also be done while meditating on a mantra, in the combined technique
[00:33] fOrceez: I don't go into any thoughts and look into the darkness behind my eyelids. 
[00:34] DaveyCash: oh, well void meditation can be different for everyone, so the specific way that I do it, most likely won't work for everyone
[00:34] DaveyCash: that's why the technique seems so vague in the actual lesson
[00:35] DaveyCash: I try to cover the technique that will work for everyone
[00:35] fOrceez: ah.
[00:35] DaveyCash: the way you do it seems ok, and does it work for you?
[00:35] fOrceez: It does , and when I come out of the meditation, i feel like i'm in a dream.
[00:35] fOrceez: I always have to rc after meditating.
[00:35] DaveyCash: haha
[00:36] DaveyCash: ok, then if it works, you should keep doing it :)
[00:36] Dark_Merlin: :D
[00:37] fOrceez: Yay :P
[00:37] DaveyCash: so, got any other questions? about anything?
[00:37] fOrceez: thinking :P
[00:37] DaveyCash: I'd kind of like to stretch the session for another 20 mins
[00:38] fOrceez: Have you ever tried to extend your conscioness outside of your body when meditating?
[00:38] DaveyCash: I have actually
[00:38] fOrceez: Once when i was void meditating, i concentrated my consciousness in like.. a  bubble
[00:38] fOrceez: then i moved it to the left and to the right
[00:38] fOrceez: IT felt really really really weird
[00:39] DaveyCash: in focal meditation a lot, when I go very deep, I almost feel like I'm getting closer to the object
[00:39] DaveyCash: and I try to extend my perception to the object as well as my own body
[00:39] Dark_Merlin: understanding the object itself?
[00:39] DaveyCash: yes
[00:39] Dark_Merlin: i tried that while i was focal meditating on a pen
[00:40] DaveyCash: haha! I used a pen when I tried it
[00:40] Dark_Merlin: trying to understand how the pen could bend to my will if i understood its structure
[00:40] Dark_Merlin: it's plastic
[00:40] Dark_Merlin: plastic is energy
[00:40] fOrceez: Everything is energy! ^_^
[00:40] Dark_Merlin: i'm energy - therefore why shouldnt i be able to bend the pen
[00:40] Dark_Merlin: didnt ~work~
[00:40] Dark_Merlin: but it felt trippy
[00:41] DaveyCash: it does :D
[00:41] fOrceez: It does work?
[00:41] DaveyCash: no no
[00:41] DaveyCash: it does feel trippy@
[00:41] fOrceez: Oh
[00:41] fOrceez: lol!
[00:41] DaveyCash: lol
[00:41] Dark_Merlin: one day i'll bend it ;)
[00:41] fOrceez: Have you tried anything spiritual with meditation?
[00:42] DaveyCash: spiritual like psychic stuff? or looking into my 'self'?
[00:42] fOrceez: both , whatever you'd like to explain to us :P
[00:42] DaveyCash: hmmmmm
[00:43] DaveyCash: I suppose I haven't actually tried looking into myself and trying to understand myself better
[00:43] DaveyCash: but I have delved into psychic stuff with meditation
[00:43] fOrceez: That's what i'm interested in
[00:43] Dark_Merlin: same
[00:43] Dark_Merlin: :P
[00:44] DaveyCash: I didn't have any success with it at all, but I still have an open mind to it
[00:44] Dark_Merlin: the most i've tried is object manipulation/tk
[00:44] fOrceez: So what's your view on shared dreaming?
[00:44] DaveyCash: I basically followed an online course on psionics
[00:44] DaveyCash: on shared dreaming……that's a good question
[00:45] Dark_Merlin: psionics
[00:45] DaveyCash: I have had two experiences in my life, that I can recall,
[00:45] fOrceez: penis.
[00:45] Dark_Merlin: covering what areas?
[00:45] fOrceez: Ben told us about the shared between you two.
[00:46] DaveyCash: well I don't want to go into shared dreaming too much, or psionics either, in this class
[00:47] DaveyCash: since it's supposed to be a meditation q&a
[00:47] Dark_Merlin: ah true :P
[00:47] fOrceez: damnit , trying to find IDM patched
[00:47] DaveyCash: I'm happy to answer questions you have about that, after the session
[00:48] Dark_Merlin: is there any other kinds of meditation you've tried?
[00:48] fOrceez: Ah- okay.
[00:48] Dark_Merlin: chakral, etc?
[00:48] DaveyCash: not *really*
[00:48] fOrceez: Or contacted any spirits from meditation?
[00:48] DaveyCash: I tried a qi meditation (qi = chakra) once
[00:48] • fOrceez shrugs. I'm into that kind of stuff.
[00:48] DaveyCash: only once though
[00:49] DaveyCash: I don't really know if anything notable happened in it. I remember feeling very relaxed after it, like I usually do after meditating
[00:49] fOrceez: brb
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[00:50] DaveyCash: ah, so just down to me and you
[00:50] Dark_Merlin: he'll come back his net timed out
[00:51] Dark_Merlin: i think
[00:51] Dark_Merlin: :s
[00:51] DaveyCash: lol
[00:51] DaveyCash: ok, so is there anything else you want to ask me? like about my experiences
[00:51] Dark_Merlin: i tried chakral once
[00:52] Dark_Merlin: it felt really weird - especially 3rd eye
[00:52] • DaveyCash tries to remember what the third eye is
[00:53] Dark_Merlin: middle of your forehead
[00:53] DaveyCash: ahhh yes
[00:53] Dark_Merlin: gave me this blinding white light that filled my vision
[00:53] DaveyCash: oh wow
[00:53] Dark_Merlin: when i stopped i was just like'whoaa'
[00:54] Dark_Merlin: talked to dad about it and he said he always got the same thing with 3rd eye
[00:54] DaveyCash: that's interesting
[00:55] Dark_Merlin: whats the most interesting thing you've ever had happen while meditating? :P
[00:55] DaveyCash: I might look into chakra meditation and see if it has any advantages in dreaming
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[00:55] fOrceez: Sorry,back
[00:55] DaveyCash: the most interesting thing while I've been meditating...
[00:55] Dark_Merlin: a lot of people focus on their 3rd eye to induce visuals when they're WILDing
[00:55] DaveyCash: I guess it was when I was meditating on the pen once
[00:56] fOrceez: Do you use the same pen all the time?
[00:56] DaveyCash: I was really getting deep into the focal meditation (nope I just use any pen lying around the house),
[00:57] DaveyCash: and the floor began to move up and down, following my breaths
[00:57] DaveyCash: when I breathed in, it appeared to lift up, and then go back down when I breathed out
[00:57] Dark_Merlin: ooh :D
[00:57] DaveyCash: I kept meditating and went deeper
[00:58] DaveyCash: and then this is where I felt like I was getting closer to the pen -
[00:58] fOrceez: and then it exploded.
[00:58] DaveyCash: it was as if I was moving now, not the floor. And I seemed to tilt and I appeared to be getting closer to the pen
[00:59] DaveyCash: it didn't go further than that, but I really felt relaxed and completely focused when I came out of the meditation
[01:00] DaveyCash: (yes, and then it exploded)
[01:00] fOrceez: I can't say I didn't know that'd happen.
[01:00] DaveyCash: lol
[01:01] Dark_Merlin: thats really awesome
[01:01] DaveyCash: it was kind of fun ;)
[01:01] DaveyCash: :)*
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[01:02] fOrceez: :P Sounds it
[01:02] DaveyCash: so, is there anything else you'd like to ask me?
[01:03] fOrceez: What about shifting your consciousness?
[01:03] fOrceez:  ./projecting it out fo your body
[01:04] DaveyCash: you mean while meditating?
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[01:04] DaveyCash: oh well
[01:04] DaveyCash: oh wb
[01:05] Dark_Merlin: way to quit
[01:05] fOrceez: Sorry, dc.
[01:05] DaveyCash: that's ok
[01:05] Dark_Merlin: hm
[01:05] fOrceez: Writing up my 3-day-dream now.
[01:05] Dark_Merlin: how long have you been meditating?
[01:05] DaveyCash: let's see now
[01:06] Dark_Merlin: sorry brb
[01:06] Dark_Merlin: !brb
[01:06] Dark_Merlin is now known as Dark_Merlin|BRB.
[01:06] DaveyCash: I guess about 3 or 4 years in total
[01:06] fOrceez: wow
[01:06] fOrceez: That's a long time :o
[01:06] Dark_Merlin|BRB: wowie
[01:06] Dark_Merlin|BRB: :D
[01:06] fOrceez: You're supposed to be brb, whore.
[01:06] DaveyCash: I haven't been meditating the whole time though
[01:06] DaveyCash: it's kind of been on and off
[01:07] DaveyCash: I only started meditating seriously in then past year
[01:07] DaveyCash: the*
[01:07] fOrceez: Fair enough.
[01:07] fOrceez: Are you still in school, btw?
[01:08] DaveyCash: nope, I finished my first year of university back in april/may
[01:08] fOrceez: Oh okay, cool.
[01:10] Dark_Merlin|BRB: ~back
[01:10] Dark_Merlin|BRB: !back
[01:10] Dark_Merlin|BRB is now known as Dark_Merlin.
[01:10] Dark_Merlin: :P
[01:10] DaveyCash: wb
[01:10] fOrceez: hihi
[01:11] DaveyCash: ok, so if there are no more questions, I guess that would be the session finished
[01:12] Dark_Merlin: its a shame theres not more people here ><!
[01:12] • fOrceez is out of questions.
[01:12] fOrceez: yeah
[01:12] DaveyCash: it would have been nice to have a few others, like Katsuno, in here for the session
[01:13] fOrceez: Does anyone know what that colour's called?
[01:13] Dark_Merlin: ..blue?
[01:13] fOrceez: It's like.. a light orange.
[01:13] DaveyCash: but it's ok, I'll still happily respond to PMs on the forum, stuff in workbooks, and also I'm going to post the log of this
[01:13] Dark_Merlin: sweet :D
[01:13] fOrceez: Yeah, light orange is blue, man :P
[01:13] DaveyCash: hahaha
[01:13] fOrceez: Should probably cut out the bit where i said penis >_<
[01:13] Dark_Merlin: ahahah
[01:14] DaveyCash: ok, did you learn stuff from this session?
[01:14] fOrceez: Yeahs, i'm gonna try the mixed meditation more.
[01:14] DaveyCash: ok :)
[01:15] Dark_Merlin: i'm gunna try void meditation a lot more
[01:15] DaveyCash: thanks both of you for making it
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[01:15] Dark_Merlin: it sounds like it'll be really good once i get right into it
[01:15] fOrceez: Happy to be here :)
[01:15] Dark_Merlin: wouldnt miss it for the world dave :P