Humans have to survive too
Yes but they don't need to over-run the planet. Yes there are animals in Yellowstone and Yosemite. There are a few corners of the world where they can still exist, mainly in places humans can't or don't want to live. Unfortunately, I have to drive thousands of miles to see a wolf. But I can't get away from people. Not that I don't like people, just that there are way too many of them. It is out of balance.
Even if we can feed every single person (which we can't) it still is out of balance. We can't just go destroying all the forests in order to make farms. California is turning into a desert because of farms. The world is becoming desertified.
I didn't think before I spoke earlier about rich and poor. I was just speaking what was in my mind at the moment. I think that I was thinking that the rich would breed themselves poorer while the poor would restrain themselves and be more prosperous in the next generation. For instance, if two poor people (and perhaps grandparents) combine their income it might be possible to send one child to the University. If a rich couple has ten children the inheritance will have to be split up 10 ways. And there are way way more poor people than rich people that the population would still decrease even if the rich could have three children. But you are right, this is an elite caste system and is getting into communism or the like.
Basically, I don't care who takes the initiative, poor or rich people, but someone has to. And it has to be a large segment of people who do, to make up for the people who don't. I think that it is a wise, conscious, responsible choice to do. Overpopulation is the root of all our problems. Overpopulation is why we consume so much resources, it is why the economy is crashing, it is why the environment is being destroyed, the oceans polluted, the forests killed, it is why there are so many wars...
Food is not the only issue, energy is the biggest issue. Right now the global economy is backed by energy, and mostly oil. The reason they are drilling in deep deep oceans now is because all the easy to get to places are tapped. This is the last of the oil. As it gets more and more scarce, prices go up. Having our food shipped from Mexico, California, and China, etc. takes a lot of gas. When gas costs $15 per gallon food will be too expensive for all except rich people, even if there is enough food for everyone. This is called inflation. If you haven't noticed it has been going on for 30 years gradually and slowly. It has been happening a lot faster in the past 10 years. The price of everything has increased, but people are being payed the same or less. We are losing jobs. Not because there isn't work to do, but because there isn't enough money to go around and it is worth less.
Energy is the real money. Yes, solar panels can make some electricity. But what about in winter? What about in foggy, rainy climates? We could get by on a survival level of electricity, but the way we are used to living is not sustainable. Grocery stores with open refrigerators and air conditionning with the front doors open. People leaving lights on and their computer on. If you covered your roof with solar panels you could not run your house. And what about in the city? There aren't enough roofs.
All our technology that we take for granted was made possible by discovering how to use oil. When we figured out how to use oil we had a cheap and seemingly endless supply of energy to fuel our scientific experiments. Now we are dependent on it. If the electricity went out for two weeks in a major city it would be as bad as Hurricane Katrina.
Anyway, I am ranting. Our population is a luxury we cannot afford. We either need to limit it voluntarily, or there will be famine and disease and natural disasters and war doing it for us. For those people saying "I am not going to let anybody tell me what I can do!": nobody should have to tell anybody what to do ideally, we should think about these things and take initiative ourselves. If everybody decided they weren't going to work anymore, we would all starve and die. Someone would have to make everyone go to work. That would be fascist. People need fascism to a degree when they don't take responsibility. I am not defending fascism, I am just saying how to prevent it.
Current population then and now clock
We don't need to see how high we can let the population go before it all falls apart. We don't need to bring it to the maximum possible limit and say "As long as we don't go higher than 8,000,000,000 we can just barely not kill ourselves!" Think about the quality of life for the children. Think about exercising your right to bring children into a global ghetto. Have ONE child, when you are ready, and teach him/her about how to make the world a better place, and how to live in a fucked up world without turning bitter. Prepare your child to be a survivor and to help others survive. Show your child love. But don't have two children. And definitely don't have three.
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