Basing how many children one can have simply upon numbers is as brilliant as a burnt out light bulb. |
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Basing how many children one can have simply upon numbers is as brilliant as a burnt out light bulb. |
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Last edited by Philosopher8659; 08-10-2010 at 03:27 PM.
Perhaps humans can evolve to consciously take control of their own population and evolution? This hasn't happened in the rest of the animal, plant, fungal, etc. kingdoms that I am aware of. |
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Lovely, my post didn't post. Humans are the only known species to go to war. |
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Last edited by ArcanumNoctis; 08-11-2010 at 08:22 AM.
I believe people should be more educated about what a carrying capacity is and how rapidly our population is increasing. We haven't hit our carrying capacity, but when we do all hell will break loose. |
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I think people should be able to have as many kids as they like |
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That isn't true. I believe there are species of insects that go to war all the time, examples are ants and possibly bees. Granted not on the same scale as humanity, that is just a by product of civilization. I believe rival bands of chimpanzees even have "battles" from time to time. War and violence are as integral as love and peace in the minds of human beings, whether you are aware of it or not. It's anything but an illusion. |
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"Someday, I think you and I are going to have a serious disagreement." -- Hawkeye (Daniel Day-Lewis) Last of the Mohicans
Dumb poor people generally do the physical labor for the smart, wealthy people. Have you ever seen a wealthy smart person lifting beams at a construction site? |
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How about this? Instead of tossing around theoretical "BAN ALL SECOND SIBLINGS" laws or arguing over what the right number of kids is, we focus on creating a society where people with more kids than they can count on one hand are shunned for the irresponsible overbreeders that they are? Outlawing things is dangerous, because the government really has no role in the bedroom unless someone's getting murdered. Shifting the societal expectation to "less kids is more responsible" and "adoption makes real families too" and away from the idea that it's better to harvest sperm and eggs from healthy people and make test tube babies than it is to adopt from some poor teenager who made a mistake. |
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Overpopulation, in the long term, reduces the quality of life of everyone in a country. A government has the right to step in and prevent this from happening. Your right to bear children doesn't override the right of others to live in a stable and productive society that can't exist with overpopulation. |
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The burden of proof lies with the one making the claim
Goals:
10 Lucids [X]
Look at my reflection [X]
Dream sex [X] with climax [X]
Here's what happens when you meet and exceed the carrying capacity of the earth: people start dying as fast or faster than they're born. One of the greatest threats from overpopulation is that with such a high volume of people, many will be forced to live in close, cramped quarters. Places like these are a breeding ground for traditional viruses, but also new and far more lethal ones. It would take one solid virus to wipe out billions. This is not a question of if, but when. Then you face other problems like energy production and consumption, as well as food and fresh water. The American lifestyle is not immune to the effects of overpopulation. |
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There isn't overpopulating problem worth mentioning in Europe... no idea about US. The real problem imho are muslims. Nothing against them in general, but if i remember right, their birth rates should be something around 8. Not much to do with self control either like somebody mentioned here. Just religion and traditions mostly. Look their population and do the math... Frightening numbers if you ask me. |
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Indeed, very good point. The way to stop overpopulation in North America/Europe is by substantially reducing immigration (with no muslim immigration at all ideally). |
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I've no doubt there would be mass protests if one were to suggest a reduction in muslim immigration whislt others would rejoyce. People may one day realise practicality does not equal bigotry. |
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The practical thing to do would be to place restrictions on all citizens and all immigrants, the bigoted thing to do would be to single out a certain population due to their ethnicity or their religious beliefs. You are deluding yourself if you think your opinion on this matter isn't bigoted. |
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"Someday, I think you and I are going to have a serious disagreement." -- Hawkeye (Daniel Day-Lewis) Last of the Mohicans
Trying to reduce population growth from the top down with population controls just introduces new complications. The one factor that reliably lowers birth rates is education, so rather than wasting time telling people what they "should" do, try opening a school in the Third World. |
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If you have a sense of caring for others, you will manifest a kind of inner strength in spite of your own difficulties and problems. With this strength, your own problems will seem less significant and bothersome to you. By going beyond your own problems and taking care of others, you gain inner strength, self-confidence, courage, and a greater sense of calm.Dalai Lama
is there anything more evil than a concentrated effort to depopulate certain groups of people? i agree we need education. not starvation, not sterilization, not abortions. we could all use a little more education...(not the establishment education of course) |
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