Think and grow rich

[poopman]

thoughts about the law of attraction?

[Mediabat]

How does the law of attraction work? I heard about it briefly yesterday. At face value, seems scientifically unsound.

[dajo]

the secret was crap

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Forget about the movies and opinions of the movies. If a movie is a bad movie it doesn't mean the principle of attraction is wrong. You dream your world. Focus on what you want and you will dream that into your world. Focus on what you don't want and you will dream that into your world. Of course, you may need to work at it. Do everything you can for what you want and you get what you want. Put all your energy into avoiding what you don't want and you end up running from what you don't want, and it chases you. Be optimistic, not pessimistic. It is very simple. It is a natural law so everyone knows it, they just do not know that they know it. Nobody created it, so there is no HOW that you don't already know deep in your heart by the virtue of being human it is your birthright just like drawing a picture with crayons is for a child.

[nina]

Personally I hate the phrase "law of attraction" and never use it to describe the method...but the method works. It's like the universal placebo effect.

[ChaybaChayba]

So I've been dreaming of girls all my life but I still haven't had a girlfriend. Fuck the law of attraction! It doesn't work. What you need to do to make your dreams come true is simply act. Your actions can attract girls yes, but your dreams cannot.

[Caprisun]

Napoleon Hill's book was not about the law of attraction.

[ChaybaChayba]

Good point his book was basically about using desire.

[Dannon Oneironaut]

Action is part of it. You do what you can to get what you want. Things like trying to get other people like girls is harder because girls are not things. And even if you practice the law of attraction but are a jerk then you still ain't going to get a girl. I am not saying that you are a jerk, I'm just saying... Yes, action works, it is putting your energy into getting what you want. Sometimes action is not possible, but you can put action into something symbolic, this is how ritual works, etc.

[Jeff777]

Napoleon Hill's book was not about the law of attraction. Pretty much the best post in here. I've read tagr several times and nowhere does it talk about attracting ones dreams via mental strain. The closest thing to where you're reaching is the chapter on sexual transmutation, but then again.. you'd still be reaching quite a bit. Please, take the time to actually read the book before tossing it into the crap factory that preys on poor - middle class gullible individuals like the secret does. Thanks. =/

[CryoDragoon]

Bullshit. Sure, if you want things enough you'll be more likely to do something to achieve it, and you'll notice it more when it does happen. But the magical wishful-thinking-makes-stuff-come-true? Come on... Still, his book wasn't even about that.. It's more about crystallizing an achievable idea in the mind, planning on how to achieve it, and persisting in action so success will be inevitable.

[ChaybaChayba]

Pretty much the best post in here. I've read tagr several times and nowhere does it talk about attracting ones dreams via mental strain. The closest thing to where you're reaching is the chapter on sexual transmutation, but then again.. you'd still be reaching quite a bit. Please, take the time to actually read the book before tossing it into the crap factory that preys on poor - middle class gullible individuals like the secret does. Thanks. =/ It does talk about using the mental strain of desire to attract your actions. I think what this guy was trying to point out that the way to get rich is to desire money. The fastest way to get rich is to have money as your only desire, hence the sexual transmutation. But then again, I only skimmed through the book, so I could be very wrong. I think where general idea of the law of attraction is going wrong is saying that thinking about X is enough to gain it. What the law of attraction really is trying to say, is that being obsessed with X is going to make you gain it for sure. If your only goal in life is X, you will get it, for sure. You are getting ABCDEFGHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWZ all the time, all you need to do is stop getting those so you will get XXXXXXXXX instead! The only way to make the law of attraction work, is to think about X.. all the time. The moment you abandon X for sex for example, you make the law of attraction fail as you stop attracting X you start attracting sex. What the law of attraction forgets to mention is that we are already using it all the time. We are already using the law of attraction to achieve everything we do, so in order to achieve something else we must first see how we are already using it, stop using it that way, and then, start using it again, but for X instead of whatever other thing you were thinking about before. If you think the law of attraction doesn't work, then according to the law of attraction, this type of thinking will attract the law of attraction not working. Your mind is like a filter, and if you believe something doesn't work, you will only see things that confirm this believe, and filter out things that do not confirm to this believe, and this is the power of the law of attraction! But obviously, the law of attraction can also lead to and in most cases does lead to misfortune, something that is rarely mentioned.

[juroara]

Forget thinking, its 100% emotional. The first step is actually the hardest. You must own up to the way your life is now, abandon accusing others, and take a deep look at yourself and why your life is how it is. If you aren't willing to accept that only you are solely responsible for the life you live now, then you've already given away your power to take control of your life. Victimhood won't get you anywhere. It can be really hard to wrap around the idea that your life is the result, most primarily, of your emotional state of being, expectations, and beliefs. For most of us, that just seems impossible. (I can recommend some books if anyone is curious, but I'm not here to debate the validity of co-creating.) But consider this. The average person is rarely lucid when they dream. And even when a dreamer is lucid, it doesn't guarantee that the dreamer recognizes the dream as THEIR dream, or even that they recognize that their dream characters are projections of them self!! In other words, the average person doesn't even recognize their own mind when its staring back at them!! How much harder it is to recognize your waking life as the result of your own mind. You have to become aware of your own thoughts and emotions (waking lucidity). And if you want to change your life, you have to first accept that this means changing yourself. And NOT your circumstances. Change the way you feel. Change the way you feel towards situations. (we see this played out in dreams as well) Changing your emotional state of being isn't so easy as changing your thoughts. Sure you can think of something happy, it won't guarantee you FEEL happy thinking it. So there is a huge difference between changing your thoughts, which you can do in a second, and changing your emotions. . . .Changing your emotions is going to take a little more work than just changing your thoughts. But consider this, the electromagnetic field produced by the heart is insanely more powerful than the electromagnetic field produced by the brain! The heart is literally more powerful than the brain. Which is why its all in the emotions! There are ways to help you change your emotional state of being, and take control right now. I recommend: First you have to recognize the difference between thoughts and emotions. Two you have to recognize what emotion it is you are feeling. Does it feel good? Does it feel bad? Becareful with those no-emotions. Most "I feel nothing"sis actually a red flag. Dig deeper on that emotion and you find fear, doubt, apathy, worthlessness, hopelessness, and so on and so on. The feeling of "I feel nothing" is very common in today's society. And I would even say society would have us believe the feeling of "I feel nothing" is NORMAL and NATURAL. No its not!! It's an empty feeling that has you sit on your ass and waste away. You want to change your life, you want to attract better things in your life, you have to change yourself, you have to change the way you feel. And that also means understanding that what society considers normal emotional states of being - isn't normal or healthy! Happiness is our natural state of being. And its been scientifically proven that when we feel happy our bodies are healing and rejuvenating itself. Three, you can practice feeling different regardless of where you are in life. One simple exercise is to make a list of every negative emotion you can think of. Make another list of every positive emotion you can think of. The first list is easy. Can you get the second list past ten words, how about twenty? You might need a dictionary. Now that you have your two lists, focus on a negative emotion. Try to conjure up the feeling of this emotion for a couple of minutes, at least five. Journal what you felt. And be honest if you didn't feel anything. Next pick a positive emotion, and try to feel that positive emotion for five minutes. Imagine what ever you need to imagine to conjure up that positive emotion, even if its unicorns licking your face. Note down what you felt. Repeat flopping back and forth between feeling negative and feeling positive. And repeat this exercise as often as you need to! The more you do this the more you can recognize that your body undergoes distinct changes between negative and positive emotions. From being tensed to being relaxed. Become aware of your body, and you'll become aware of your emotions. Or, if you're struggling to feel a positive emotion, then you can at least completely relax your body. Only when you feel positive can you then add thought back into the picture of consciously co-creating. If you try to think of a positive situation to FORCE yourself to be happy, and to force a happy situation in your life, it won't work. It just doesn't work that way. Because no outer situation can bring you happiness, and your subconscious knows this! You have to feel happy first, and then outer situations can be an expression of your happiness, and not the other way around. This subtle difference confused me for a long time. I would try to imagine a happier situation that I wanted in my life, to feel happy. You know what happened? That "happier situation" became harder and harder to obtain. Because what I was really sending out was "I feel miserable unless I have this". I was subtly demanding the Universe to make me feel happy. Doesn't work that way. So take it from me. The emotion comes first. And if you need thoughts to help you conjure up an emotion, try a visualization meditation instead. Imagine yourself in a beautiful and healing environment. And then when you feel healed and happy, only then can you think of all the things you desire in your life. (if you even still desire them!) BTW I really recommend stepping into the emotion of Complete.

[ChaybaChayba]

What you are talking about is the female perspective. For women emotions generate thinking, for men thinking generates emotion. (Explanation: As the present is created from the past and the future is generated from the present, we can conclude, there is only the present moment, there is only now. We imagine time as linear, as a line, but there is only a dot. There is only the present, only right now exists. Why does this matter? Because it allows you to change cause into effect and effect into cause. In an infinite small time-frame, it is impossible to tell which is the cause, and which is the effect.) What the fuck is the emotion of complete tho?

[Black_Eagle]

Pretty much the best post in here. I've read tagr several times and nowhere does it talk about attracting ones dreams via mental strain. The closest thing to where you're reaching is the chapter on sexual transmutation, but then again.. you'd still be reaching quite a bit. Please, take the time to actually read the book before tossing it into the crap factory that preys on poor - middle class gullible individuals like the secret does. Thanks. =/ 0ff-topic, but do you think that whole sexual transmutation thing actually works? When I read that part I was pretty ambivalent.

[MindGames]

To Juroara, I didn't read your whole post, but I agree with the idea that your position in life is created by the mass of emotions that is your personality. I've been pondering this ever since the middle of last year. Your entire emotional state as a whole is reflected within your life, meaning that if you feel something is one way, the more you will affect reality over time to make it become that way. This happens subconsciously through your actions, and is in fact nothing more than placebo. It is possible that on the quantum level we are affecting reality by some other means with our emotions (i.e. "magic"), but that isn't a viable explanation for skeptics, and I honestly feel much more sane believing it is our actions that our subconscious acts through which creates the effects. Think of it this way. If you were to lay in the same spot in bed for 24 hours in an empty house in the middle of an empty desert with your doors locked, it wouldn't matter what mood you were in; the same thing's going to happen: nothing. However, if you were to walk around a busy city having strong emotions (let's say you're very irritated), you would have much more effect on the environment around you because you interact with it much more. Soon enough, you'd be making people irritate you because they subconsciously accept your subconscious reality that they irritate you, causing them to act in irritating ways toward you, once you have enough interaction with them. The same applies to inanimate objects; you are subconsciously drawn to things which your subconscious deems to fit into its present emotional reality, increasing your chances of slipping on the unseen banana peel or choosing to insert your change into the kind-of-shady-looking-but-who-cares-i-just-want-a-damn-coke-right-now, broken vending machine. Your emotional state forces you to only accept things of that reality into your life, therefore making that predominantly your reality. This is out of your control until you choose to take control of your emotions and actually change them. This isn't the same thing as denial; denial is simply covering up your true emotions. I probably didn't do the best job of explaining this; it's hard to put it into words.

[ChaybaChayba]

I think you did a pretty good job explaining this, it cleared up alot for me, very nice insight! I know understand what juraora was trying to explain. So basically what you are saying is how you see and feel the world is how the world is going to react to you?

[MindGames]

Yes, or to make it more simple, it's your mood that determines your day; it's your personality that determines your life. It's all subconscious. It's also very easy to change your subconscious, therefore your personality, within lucid dreams. Try taking a "positive" pill in your dreams and tell me how that affects you tomorrow.

[Puffin]

I don't know much about it, but IMO simply believing something will happen, it doesn't mean it will. It's different than a placebo effect though, in which it only affects yourself and doesn't cause things to happen externally. ...I'm finding it really hard to explain this.

[MindGames]

It greatly increases the chances, by letting it happen and causing you to take action to make it happen. There is also more at work on the subconscious level. Most people would like to be millionaires, but few ever take the action to become one. In the United States it's actually relatively easy to get rich, but few have the confidence or willpower to become one unless they're born into a rich environment. Many people blame laziness, but that's just a label. They lack the motivation, which is wanting it and believing they can have it. Everything that happens originates internally. Think of it this way. If you go around thinking that nothing you do is going to make you a millionaire, you'll probably miss the opportunity. You could get a great idea, but discard it because you think to yourself, "Nah, that's never gonna work." If you take action with confidence that it will happen, you have a much higher chance of succeeding. Of course you need to know certain information to make something happen and you're not going to instantly know that when you believe you can do it, but having the motivation causes you to learn those things to allow you to do what you want, followed by actually accomplishing it. It's very simple; believe something, and it comes true. (Of course in actuality it's something of a much greater probability, but you can't be thinking of probabilities in this case, because that causes doubts. Just make it simple. Believe it, and it's true.)

[changed]

The Law of Attraction is a crock of shit. Anything worth having in life you have to work for, thinking about it and wanting it doesn't make it appear. Actions direct your destiny, not magical fairy thoughts! The only thing I can think that makes this work is a Placebo, or you could just have confidence in yourself instead.

[MindGames]

See my previous post. In effect, it is only your actions which determine what happens in your life. I believe that your subconscious works through your actions, which is why you can often get a 'feel' for somebody by interacting with them. The more you think about something, the greater a part of your reality it becomes, and the more your actions are influenced by those thoughts. Has anybody else here heard about the double slit experiment? An experiment is set up such that a focussed beam of light shines through two slits of metal (I think it was metal). When this is done, the photons shine through the slits in a wave-like manner, as opposed to a particle-like manner. In the experiment, when a conscious observer present in the same room as the apparatus is told the light will shine through only the left slit, the light behaves like a particle and shines only through the left slit. When he is told it will shine through the right slit, it shines only through the right slit. When he is told the light will shine through both slits, it does so. This is without changing any of the mechanics of the experiment, with the only variable being the prejudice of the observer, which is previously determined by the experimenter, who tells the observer what will happen without modifying the light apparatus in any way. Basically, what can be concluded from this experiment, is that the prejudice of the observer changes the behavior of the beam of light. The beam of light only acts in the way that the observer believes it will act. This leaves some food for thought as to whether it extends to all interactions with humans and their environment. e: The particles were electrons, not photons. e2: Fuck, I don't know. I'm reading online and seeing both photons and electrons.

[juroara]

e: The particles were electrons, not photons. e2: Fuck, I don't know. I'm reading online and seeing both photons and electrons. That might be because the experiment has been repeated multiple times now, and from what I remember, its' even been recreated with one of the largest organic molecules, a fundamental building block of bio-chemistry.

[MindGames]

Hmm, looks like I've got to retract my double slit experiment claim. I can't find the web page I read that from, nor can I find any other website making the same claim, so it's possible I misinterpreted what they were saying.

[DrunkenArse]

Yeah, as a general rule, whenever you see "consciousness" and "Quantum Physics" referenced in the same document, you can be pretty sure that there's a lot of bullshit coming.