Its good for consumers but basically screws over independent artist and writers. |
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But you know that writing software is not representative at all of the argument that creating IP costs money, because writing software costs basically nothing. How are people going to make movies or create a new drug without spending millions on the necessary resources? |
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Its good for consumers but basically screws over independent artist and writers. |
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Yeah... and before long there won't be any independent artists or writers, and then there won't be any consumers either. |
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I've never met an independent artist or writer that was primarily motivated by money. They do it because they have an artistic urge to create. The more people they have appreciating their art, the happier they are. In the case of an author, I can buy the book from them. J.K. Rowling might be out a half a billion a year but I have no problem with that. She won't starve and will have the resources to pursue her art. |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
What does it matter if their main goal is money or not? You think just because they enjoy doing it, they should be dirt poor? A lot of people like their jobs, that doesn't mean they want to do it for free. |
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When did I say that they should be dirt poor? I didn't. I said that it wouldn't eliminate many classes of art and then provided a mechanism by which artists could still be rewarded for their work if the consumers wanted them to be. |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
Fun discussion. |
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So the major part of a technological economy is going to be based upon charity? It just wouldn't work. Most people by far are morally disingenuous and would never pay anyone for anything no matter how good they thought it was. |
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I don't think that art is the major part of a technological economy. Hard goods would still have to be bought as I've already outlined. Nobody would have a monopoly on the production of any given device. Anybody could build and sell any device that they were able to create. Again, as I've outlined, changes to the designs could be made incrementally and would provide short term, selective advantages until the changes propagated to the other manufactures at which point a new idea for an incremental change occurred. This is mirroring a process in nature but I just can't think of which one it is right now ... |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
Well of course you know what a libertarian is going to say. We would ask, "How are you going to pay for it?" Then if you are like the usual politician you reply with, significant increase in taxes, or devalue our currency and print more magic money! In which case we simply shakes her head and sigh, saying. "Yea, I thought so." In all seriousness any libertarian would be happy to support such a plan, if you could pay for it without screwing everyone else over. The problem is, you need to screw someone over in order to pay for it, and usually its the tax payers. |
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And of course I'd screw the military over to pay for it. There's plenty of money to come out of their budget. But most politicians wouldn't say that. Also, we could stop sending people to jail for victimless crimes. I don't have numbers on hand but I imagine that each person that wasn't in prison for a victimless crime could equate to at least one person in school on a state sponsored tuition. I guess it's confusing from where I placed it but I was more referring to the notion of "Intellectual Property" in general than that particular idea. |
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Previously PhilosopherStoned
The problem is we need to cut all that stuff out, just to pay for the things we already have but can't pay for. Before we can even really discuss that, we would need to cut all the spending and get our insane debt under control. Though if we can get our debt down to 0, I would be happy to talk about it, as long as we could pay for it as we go. |
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Or we could just cut money out of the equation altogether. |
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Last edited by tommo; 02-25-2011 at 01:33 PM.
Yes but we're not currently living in a post-scarcity economy are we? -_- |
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I would suggest looking at the following: |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
It would probably give raise to corporate spies, and much more security on products so that no one can tamper with them to find out how they are made. Then when you buy a new car or something, you can't even take a look under the hood without special equipment that only the dealer has, and so you can only get it repaired by them. |
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Why not? It's happened before, plenty of times. The first planes were all built in this manner. The Automobile, by Karl Benz, and later Henry Ford >>>>IMPROVED ON IT<<<<, light bulb, telephone, internet. Actually, I really can't think of any worth while invention that hasn't originated or come straight from someone tinkering in a shed. |
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I know that currently most things like that really do suck. However if things came to the point where the companies entire lively hood relied on not letting out any secrets, I suspect they would get far more serious in the security they have to stop people from stealing their plans. |
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This thread is now about Intellectual Property (IP). |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
The only thing they could do is not release the product, which would be pointless. Even then someone would leak the plans. Nothing is unhackable. |
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Art
The ability to happily respond to any adversity is the divine.
Dream Journal Shaman Apprentice Chronicles
i know this isnt really contributing much to the conversation. but......ENJOY THE CIRCUS. its great having tiger blood |
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What's tiger blood? Is it "give up and be a loser while laughing at the world's obstacles" liquid? Are you convincing yourself that it's courage instead of cowardice? |
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Last edited by DeeryTheDeer; 03-04-2011 at 07:14 AM.
DILDs: A Lot
Oh but they will. Just wait. |
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