Most Americans don't realise that in modern times they have fewer civil liberties than most of the rest of the Western world. Can you image what Jefferson would say if he saw that scene? It's totally outrageous. |
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Dancing forbidden near Jefferson memorial. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
Most Americans don't realise that in modern times they have fewer civil liberties than most of the rest of the Western world. Can you image what Jefferson would say if he saw that scene? It's totally outrageous. |
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I love how the couple kept complaining about not being given a warning, when they so clearly were. |
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Last edited by Raphael; 05-30-2011 at 05:37 PM.
A good percentage of the police in America are alright and understand when action actually needs to be taken. However, the current town I live in is a place where all the cops are bullies and assholes. They harass you, follow you around, pull you over without reason, and speed without their lights on. Just two months ago one of them was speeding around 60/70 mph on their way to McDonald's (cops eat free there where I live). The cop destroyed an SUV pulling out of a parking lot and killed the driver. After having the entire police force plus some state troopers show up to investigate the scene for several hours, they did probably the most despicable thing they could have: covered their fellow pig's ass. When the final report went out, it was said that he was going the speed limit (35 mph) and it was just an unfortunate accident. First of all, I saw it happen. There is no way he was going 35 mph. Second of all, if you just took 2 seconds to inspect the damage on both vehicles, it would be abundantly clear that speeding was going on. If it were anyone else in this town, they would have been charged with vehicular manslaughter. What happened to the cop? Nothing. Wasn't suspended, wasn't fired, wasn't charged with a crime, nothing. |
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You may disagree with the rules, but that does not put you above them. Maybe you think it's your god-given to walk in public without clothes on, does that make it ok to do? Of course not. There are other ways of expressing yourself without offending other people and violating rules. |
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Last edited by Raphael; 05-30-2011 at 06:08 PM.
It's against the law, that's what's wrong with it. So if you get arrested for doing it, you shouldn't be yelling at the authorities arresting you. You're barking up the wrong tree. (I'm not talking to you specifically, I just don't know how else to phrase the sentence without using forms of "you") |
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I don't even know what to say to that. You're bringing a civil rights movement into an argument about the right to walk nude in public? I understand the point you're trying to make, but you're really stretching here. |
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A couple gets arrested for kissing and you wonder why some people are 'anti-American'? |
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speaking of founding fathers, martin luther king said: "In any civilized society, it is every citizen's responsibility to obey just laws. But at the same time, it is every citizen's responsibility to disobey unjust laws." |
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People need to understand, there is a regulation that specifically states, that you cannot demonstrate inside of the memorial. By definition of said regulation, this 'protest' was an inside demonstration. It doesn’t matter if you are dancing silently or holding up a protest sign. If it was one person swaying to their ipod in the memorial the police wouldn't give them a second look. However, it's clear that one person swaying to music is not the case here. |
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Again, I don't agree with the rules and I think the police used excessive force, but do I feel like the civilians had their freedom of expression rights suppressed? No. |
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ok so they have have a place to protest outside |
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I'm sure MLK didn't mean "disobey" in the same manner as resisting and provoking officers to take heavier measures. Afaik, King and other civil rights demonstrators, "peacefully" being detained and taken into custody for non-violent civil disobedience is part of an extenuatory modus operandi encapsulating the political message of non-violence. It establishes that the demonstrators truly believes in what they are essentially demonstrating, and disregarding the law, in acceptance of a higher law, and is willing to undergo being detained for that acknowledgement. Furthermore it demonstrates compassion for the oppressors, which is far more powerful a tool than belligerence. However, history demonstrates in the case of the Civil Rights movements were certainly more successful than any act of violent resistance in the U.S. Just something to think about. |
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Gotta love how tough that bicycle cop thought he was when he bodyslammed Kokesh to the ground and was holding him by his throat. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
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To answer the OP, no that's not how cops operate just a few out of an entire nation. |
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"For a long time it gave me nightmares, having to witness an injustice like that. It was a constant reminder of how unfair this world can be, I can still hear them taunting him. 'Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids!'... How come they just couldn't give him some cereal?"
I am glad that this created comments. First of all, I can tell that all the people here in Finland are doing a collective facepalm. This was actually in a article with a headline "Is America already a police state?". Helps to destroy the already low reputation USA has among us. |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
Here are entry qualifications for police pulled off of the wiki. |
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"For a long time it gave me nightmares, having to witness an injustice like that. It was a constant reminder of how unfair this world can be, I can still hear them taunting him. 'Silly Rabbit, Trix are for kids!'... How come they just couldn't give him some cereal?"
How long you have to study to become a normal field policeman? |
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Jujutsu is the gentle art. It's the art where a small man is going to prove to you, no matter how strong you are, no matter how mad you get, that you're going to have to accept defeat. That's what jujutsu is.
After doing a bit of research it appears the police officer's are pretty much justified in their arrest. The protesters were charged and released for demonstrating on a federally regulated facility without a protest permit. See in the U.S. you just can't wake up one day and say, "hmmmm I think I'm going to start a rally and protest at the Jefferson Memorial today." You need to give advance notices for inside demonstrations (specifically for those that are affiliated with the U.S. federal agencies) and await for the approval. You do not necessarily need a permit to demonstrate outside of the facility i.e., side walk or parking lot. This is something so basic with demonstrators that they've should have been aware of this before initiating such a demonstration. |
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nice country you got there. |
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