im ok with taxes if its used for right things. unfortunately in the us, no one pays taxes, and when they raise taxes a little the rich start complaining about paying too much. |
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Citizens of the U.S. don't have to pay taxes, but if they need health care or surgery, it's very expensive. We get it practically for free. You can pay $100,000 for heart surgery or pay little by little for any sort of insurance against health problems through taxes. |
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im ok with taxes if its used for right things. unfortunately in the us, no one pays taxes, and when they raise taxes a little the rich start complaining about paying too much. |
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Im a center-left authoritarian. Yeah i support higher taxes for bigger corporations, but not complete nationalism where unions control everything. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
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I had not voted yet because of the limited choices as well. Conservatism and Liberalism can be the exact same thing, or opposite depending on the context and reference point you are using. Especially since modern usages of the word differ from historical and dictionary definition of the words. Which is why when asked, I just say I am a small government person. That pretty much sums up my position on most things. |
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Moderate. :P |
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How are those keynesian policies working out for ya? |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
I don't mean total Keynesian theory. Obviously our debt in the US today is somewhat the fault of those theories. Either way, his theories are essentially what saved us during the Great Depression. So... I wouldn't say it's working out that badly. Basically, my point is... pure laissez faire economics doesn't really work today, we need some intervention. I like capitalism, but I also think regulation is very important. Obviously I'm not advocating the cutting of taxes, which is basically the Keynesian method that worked in the 40's, but isn't really working now. I already said I wanted them raised. :P |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
The worse the economy get the more regulation the government tries to put on it. Which usually has the opposite effect of making things worse. Most of the problems we face are the problems we created our self from bad policy. You pointed out the debt as an example and no one can give a better one than that. |
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Liberal, this is the Internet, conservatives can't fire out how to work it I don't think . They are too bush trying to create logic for the bible and tax breaks for those who have the means to help themselves |
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As I understand it, the debt today is somewhat the fault of Keynesian theory for the same reason it got us out of the great depression. Basically, he had a theory that saving money is bad, and that when you spend your money and put it into the economy, you get something called the "multiplier effect" which means that your economy is going to be benefited by that money exponentially as it moves through the system. So that whole thing about "inspiring consumer confidence" in order for us consumers to spend freely, not bothering to save, is a philosophy the government has adapted and which, though it got us out the the great depression, is putting us deeper and deeper into debt. But, of course, this policy is only partially responsible. There are many other factors at play, though I wouldn't say I'm informed enough to pick them out. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
You're making me very self-conscious. :c I'll admit I'm not overly informed on economics and politics. I only have a basic knowledge. If you're going to dispute my points, you can go ahead and do it. I probably won't bother arguing about it, since I'll only look ignorant in comparison. :P |
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Fair enough. But I must ask, if you're not all that well-versed in economics, why do you possess the confidence to claim that (1) free-market economics (what you call the "invisible hand" theory) demoralizes people and leaves them poor and (2) that capitalism must be used in conjunction with the ideas of Keynes? |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
Hmm no, not exactly what I meant when I mentioned the invisible hand. What I meant was that because the economy will have a drastic cycle of ups and downs, during the downs quality of life will generally be pretty crappy. That's all I meant. Because we're humans, and we generally want to improve society to a point where we have a minimum of suffering, it's best to have some kind of "welfare" or "social security" type systems in place. It's better to have some regulations so that the inevitable "downs" are cushioned a bit. Also I didn't say they must, rather that I like the ideas from what I've learned, and that I think part of them being used in countries like the US is a good idea. |
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Why isn't there a neither? |
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157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.
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What is described with the Keynesian theory is basically the cause of the up and down cycles. It doesn't cushion the downs, it actually makes them far worse. |
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The "invisible hand" thing comes from Adam Smith, sometimes called the "father of capitalism" (wrongfully so, IMO). Hence, it's usually attributed to free-market economics. |
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The worst thing that can happen to a good cause is, not to be skillfully attacked, but to be ineptly defended. - Frédéric Bastiat
I try to deny myself any illusions or delusions, and I think that this perhaps entitles me to try and deny the same to others, at least as long as they refuse to keep their fantasies to themselves. - Christopher Hitchens
Formerly known as BLUELINE976
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