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      Important False Dichotomies

      I want to compile a list of important false dichotomies. I've been noticing how many "important" debates are not debates at all but just two people who don't know what the hell they're talking about.

      Here's 2 for now, I'll add more.

      Capitalsim vs Socialism
      Is being gay a choice or is it genetic

      Please add any you'd like. If a discussion of one breaks out that's alright but try not to take over the whole thread.
      157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.

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      Right, of course, because there are only false dichotomies and true ones.
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      Here is one that has been stupefying philosophy for 300 years: Mind/body.

      Categorizing our experience helps us understand the world so some dichotomies are actually quite useful like Xei said, not all dichotomies are false.

      Also Nature/Culture is one I hear often but it is not a dichotomy because the culture is contingent on nature in the first place, it is apart of nature IMO.

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      There is a god / there is no god - polytheism says hello.

      Belief or rejection of a statement. "With us, or against us".

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      analytic vs synthetic truth/statements

      logic v.s. experience
      something similar to that is
      knowledge and wisdom

      creation by big bang vs creation by a god/God

      but those are just broad

      I think these 2 could fit as well
      essence vs accident (possibly)
      or
      contingent and necessary truths

      Quote Originally Posted by stormcrow View Post
      Here is one that has been stupefying philosophy for 300 years: Mind/body.
      how bout mind VS body VS spirit
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      Quote Originally Posted by erible View Post
      analytic vs synthetic truth/statements

      contingent and necessary truths

      how bout mind VS body VS spirit
      Analytic/synthetic is a great example this distinction has been contested by Quine and Carnap because analytic statements are circular and circular definitions are not adequate to convey meaning. Take the analytic statement "All black things are black" this statement is tautological, its gives us no new information and has no meaning.

      I'm not so sure about necessary and contingent truths though, I'm just starting to read about modal logic. Saying "water is H20" is a necessary truth because it is true in all possible worlds, if water was not composed of h20 then it would not be water, h20 is its essence. A contingent truth would be "all mammals are sustained by h20" because it is true but it could also not be true in another possible world, there could be a circumstance where mammals evolved to not require water but this is why modal logic seems to me a bit extravagant. I think this distinction is debatable as well, modal logic consists of "what if in another possible world...." statements that make me deeply skeptical of its validity.

      Yes the mind/body/spirit is debatable as well. Im not so sure about the existence of the spirit but I have the opinion that the mind is a function of the body not some separate extended substance. The only dualist left around are people who hold that position for religious reasons like Alvin Plantinga.

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      Quote Originally Posted by stormcrow View Post
      Analytic/synthetic is a great example this distinction has been contested by Quine and Carnap because analytic statements are circular and circular definitions are not adequate to convey meaning. Take the analytic statement "All black things are black" this statement is tautological, its gives us no new information and has no meaning.

      I'm not so sure about necessary and contingent truths though, I'm just starting to read about modal logic. Saying "water is H20" is a necessary truth because it is true in all possible worlds, if water was not composed of h20 then it would not be water, h20 is its essence. A contingent truth would be "all mammals are sustained by h20" because it is true but it could also not be true in another possible world, there could be a circumstance where mammals evolved to not require water but this is why modal logic seems to me a bit extravagant. I think this distinction is debatable as well, modal logic consists of "what if in another possible world...." statements that make me deeply skeptical of its validity.

      Yes the mind/body/spirit is debatable as well. Im not so sure about the existence of the spirit but I have the opinion that the mind is a function of the body not some separate extended substance. The only dualist left around are people who hold that position for religious reasons like Alvin Plantinga.

      yeah I wasn't completely sure about the contingent and necessary

      and about the mind and body thing, I do think there is a distinction between the physical brain and the mind. I think of the mind as more metaphysical
      , and i don't correlate that belief with religion for me personally.
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      Quote Originally Posted by stonedape View Post
      Is being gay a choice or is it genetic
      that seems to be related to nature vs nurture, another false dichotomy

      Quote Originally Posted by stormcrow View Post
      Also Nature/Culture is one I hear often but it is not a dichotomy because the culture is contingent on nature in the first place, it is apart of nature IMO.
      if you hear it often but dispute it I suppose that would make it a false dichotomy...?

      how about natural vs artificial? Just because something is man-made doesn't mean it's supernatural, but this seems to be used as a dichotomy fairly often.
      Last edited by IndieAnthias; 05-27-2011 at 01:26 AM.

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      Quote Originally Posted by IndieAnthias View Post

      if you hear it often but dispute it I suppose that would make it a false dichotomy...?

      how about natural vs artificial? Just because something is man-made doesn't mean it's supernatural, but this seems to be used as a dichotomy fairly often.
      Ah ya I guess I was not really thinking when I posted that, it is definitely a false dichotomy.

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      mathematically speaking?

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      natural vs unnatural is the worst one.
      and in many cases, masculine vs feminine. very few things are inherently feminine. the majority of them are biological.

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      Quote Originally Posted by stormcrow View Post
      Here is one that has been stupefying philosophy for 300 years: Mind/body.
      .
      You probably forgot one zero there, but I agree.
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      Here's a big one: agnosticism/atheism.
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      Quote Originally Posted by BLUELINE976 View Post
      Here's a big one: agnosticism/atheism.
      That's almost not even a false dichotomy, because it isn't really a dichotomy, it's just false. My capitalism vs socialism example is the same way. They can be considered as such, some people do, but only because they have no clue what they're talking about.
      157 is a prime number. The next prime is 163 and the previous prime is 151, which with 157 form a sexy prime triplet. Taking the arithmetic mean of those primes yields 157, thus it is a balanced prime.

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      Good and evil.

      They are not opposites.

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