Rep. Lamar Smith pulls SOPA; pushes "Protecting Children from Internet Pornographers Act."

[ThePreserver]

SOPA Is Defeated, But New Internet Bill Gains Critics | DrJays.com Live | Fashion. Music. Lifestyle The law would require ISP's to maintain records of every customer's browsing history and file transfer data. That sounds... just wonderful right? (Didn't something like this go through in Australia?)

[tehmuffinman]

I hope it didn't. They're pushing this one because "BUT WHAT ABOUT THE CHILDREN?!" will be enough to convince most people that this is totally different from that nasty bill SOPA that they read about when they couldn't get on Wikipedia.

[ThePreserver]

We just need to tell people that their ISP (and the government) will now see their browsing history and downloads/uploads. You'd think this would require a lot of space to store on the side of the ISP...

[tehmuffinman]

BRING IN THE NERDS! They can figure it out of course.

[Supernova]

Wow. So he's trying to push total internet surveillance by calling it "protect children from internet pornographers". HAY GUISE LET'S ELIMINATE FREE SPEECH SO WE CAN GET RID OF THE KKK!

[cmind]

Sadly, this bill will pass because Google, Facebook, Twitter, wikipedia, etc. dont give a fuck about it. And therefore, neither will the people.

[Izrail]

Sadly, this bill will pass because Google, Facebook, Twitter, wikipedia, etc. dont give a fuck about it. And therefore, neither will the people. America, will you play the Roman fool and die by your own sword? Or will you stand and fight in the face of your horror? i41.tinypic.com/r89rgo.jpg

[Photolysis]

Haha, yet again these idiots fail because they have no grasp of the technology. Storing all that information is not feasible (it's a huge amount of data), users could generate 'useless' extra traffic to swamp it, and it's easily evaded via proxy servers. IP addresses are not a reliable method of determining identity (due to insecure networks, they can be spoofed, etc.) It's worrying to see this kind of stuff, but still at least the ineptitude of the politicians will prevent it from coming to fruition.

[Original Poster]

This bill is supremely worrying simply because the New Speak label will be enough to convince many politicians to vote for it.

[ThePreserver]

This bill is supremely worrying simply because the New Speak label will be enough to convince many politicians to vote for it. USA PATRIOT Act! It has both USA and Patriot in it! IF YOU VOTE AGAINST IT YOU WANT CHILDREN TO BE FORCED TO PARTICIPATE IN PORNOGRAPHY D:

[Original Poster]

Precisely. I thought that's what the Republic was for, but our politicians are just as gullible as anyone else.

[cmind]

Precisely. I thought that's what the Republic was for, but our politicians are just as gullible as anyone else. Blame the sheeple who will let it pass. This week we proved that public outcry can kill a bill. So where's the public outcry now?

[ThePreserver]

Blame the sheeple who will let it pass. This week we proved that public outcry can kill a bill. So where's the public outcry now? People only have so much public outcry in them every month.

[Original Poster]

And yet the forces of oppression are relentless.

[ThePreserver]

And yet the forces of oppression are relentless. It's not hard when you have hundreds of staff members working for you and millions of dollars in corporate backing!

[Original Poster]

Why aren't we storming DC with pitchforks, again?

[ThePreserver]

Why aren't we storming DC with pitchforks, again? It's too cold outside.

[Original Poster]

But I mean seriously, eventually there will be no way to rebel even if we all wanted to because the technology is advancing too far forward. Our government has all the technology, and they're willing to use it against us. We will lose our ability to fight back.

[ThePreserver]

But I mean seriously, eventually there will be no way to rebel even if we all wanted to because the technology is advancing too far forward. Our government has all the technology, and they're willing to use it against us. We will lose our ability to fight back. "If there was hope, it must lie in the Proles." There will always be dissenters and rebels, there will always be ways to fight back. In the grand scheme, this government will collapse either through "no confidence" (since Pedophiles have a higher approval rating than our Congress), or through a financial collapse. I wouldn't worry TOO much about it; people are fed up NOW and becoming more active NOW (think of OWS, and even moreso in the Arab Spring revolts). The extent of control by technology would be genocide... which ultimately leaves no one to rule. Tyranny ebbs and flows; it won't last forever, we may just be the unfortunate generation who has to endure the tyranny (if not us, who? Our children?)

[Original Poster]

I am thinking of OWS and the Arab Spring Revolts, and I'm trying to think positive but the London Riots didn't teach the cops to practice restraint, it taught them they need to develop new crowd control weapons. As far as Arab Spring is concerned, it seems for every inch of ground taken for the people, a thousand are sacrificed. Governments of the world are not learning how to better listen, they're learning how to better control.

[ThePreserver]

I am thinking of OWS and the Arab Spring Revolts, and I'm trying to think positive but the London Riots didn't teach the cops to practice restraint, it taught them they need to develop new crowd control weapons. As far as Arab Spring is concerned, it seems for every inch of ground taken for the people, a thousand are sacrificed. Governments of the world are not learning how to better listen, they're learning how to better control. Hope in the people, or no hope? If you have hope, you have a reason to overcome. If you have no hope left, then you have no reason to try.

[Original Poster]

Hope to what end? I use hope like a weapon. That means the pointy end needs to face a goal.

[ThePreserver]

Hope to what end? I use hope like a weapon. That means the pointy end needs to face a goal. Hope to overcoming tyranny (temporarily.) Of course there is no permanence to it, but hey, it doesn't hurt to try!

[Original Poster]

For every inch of ground we've won, they've taken a mile. We want Social Security and Medicare, they get bank bail-outs and the Federal Reserve. We want sustainable farming, they get corporate farms, dependency on oil-based farming technology and corporate welfare. We want market regulation, they get more bail-outs, more land and more corporate welfare. We want to stop SOPA, they take out amendments 4-7.

[Izrail]

With the world still talking about the aftermath of the SOPA/PIPA Blackout Day, Polish netizens are confronted with another backstabbing development in the fight for free Internet. On January 19, during a meeting with NGOs and business representatives, the Polish government announced [pl] that it would sign the controversial anti-piracy agreement ACTA on January 26. While the governement calls it a success [pl] of the Polish EU Presidency, netizens are outraged with the arbitrary decision and are calling to take action against the proposal. ACTA, the Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, is a proposed plurilateral agreement for the purpose of establishing international standards on intellectual property rights enforcement. According to La Quadrature du Net and other globally active digital rights organisations, such as Electronic Frontier Foundation or European Digital Rights, ACTA would impose new criminal sanctions forcing Internet actors to monitor and censor online communications. Creating legal uncertainty for Internet companies, ACTA would become a major threat to freedom of expression online and another assault against the culture of sharing on the Internet. source: globalvoicesonline.org/2012/01/22/poland-netizens-protest-governments-plan-to-sign-acta-next-week/ ACTA would apply to every country signing the treaty. Hope to what end? I use hope like a weapon. That means the pointy end needs to face a goal. Hope to overcoming tyranny (temporarily.) Of course there is no permanence to it, but hey, it doesn't hurt to try! Indeed, it appears we'll need to "stick 'em with the pointy end."