Quote Originally Posted by tommo View Post
1)Sure we can say, "oh damn, the feelers broke, I'll pull it by its legs" or something.
But I don't see how that is really any more "intelligent".

2)Because we are still just thinking that because of some algorithm that allows us to think that way. Or more precisely, the algorithm is just doing what it does. In all cases.

If you wanna define intelligence as a more complex algorithm. Then fine. I just think the whole thing is rather absurd.
Responding to 1, are you hearing yourself? You choose which animal is smarter: the animal that leaves the body after the feelers have been torn off and starves or the animal that adapts to the missing feelers and later succeeds in dragging the caterpillar into the hole by some mechanism, thus guaranteeing survival. I really have to question your intelligence if you think they are the same. Seeing as how you've already picked, I guess you can see where that leaves me in regards to my opinions on you.

Responding to 2, you make it sound as if there is no such thing as intelligence. I mean, everything all animals do is just "algorithms" right? You said it yourself,
Quote Originally Posted by tommo
So I don't think our intelligence is any different to the bee's. Some of us do things over and over again as well. Even when - and sometimes because of the fact - it's completely pointless.
Quote Originally Posted by tommo
Sure we can say, "oh damn, the feelers broke, I'll pull it by its legs" or something.
But I don't see how that is really any more "intelligent".
Protip: intelligence is a measurement, and in case you didn't notice, if there is no difference in intelligence between animals (like you are suggesting) there can be no measurement taken nor a comparison made. Why would humans ever need to create such a concept which is given its own word if it isn't observable, measurable, or comparable?

By the way, when refusing to view an argument from a different perspective yourself, it isn't wise to criticize someone with an opposing view for closed-mindedness or being unable to view the argument from a different perspective. Hypocrisy tends to ruin your point.