Thread: Do you think 9/11 was staged?

Originally Posted by Spartiate

Why don't 9/11 conspiracy theorists ever consider the possibility that US intelligence services might have acted incompetently with information preceding the attacks?

Because the stories they come up with are more interesting.

On a side note, how the f did Britain get dragged into Iraq ?

That's a very murky period. We went to war on the basis of dossiers that turned out to be tenuous fabrications by members of Government.

One of the people at the Ministry of Defence, Dr David Kelly, leaked his concerns (in particular about the very publicised claim that Saddam could hit us with nukes within 45 minutes) anonymously to a member of the press; he was soon identified as the leak and summoned to a hearing where he was aggressively questioned. Not much later he was found dead in the woods.

Personally I can't comprehend how anybody ever voted for the Labour Party again, but they stayed for years. Most of the voters are given stupid amounts of money by the party of course, perhaps integrity isn't the issue; that's a different matter, anyway.

As to motivations, God knows. I don't think it had much to do with oil; I think a large part of it was simply falling for America's rhetoric. I think Blair made it his personal mission to cosy up to Bush; he probably believed the 'War on Terror' was his legacy.

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That was more towards "departments like NASA have been completely out of reach by any electable government official".

Originally Posted by Spartiate

That was more towards "departments like NASA have been completely out of reach by any electable government official".

John F Kennedy among others have complained about levels of government that answer to no authority.

Oh, ok. Just trying to help.

@ the op. This is as silly as saying that America did not land on the moon and that was all staged. Wait a minute. Maybe America staged oxygen and there really isn't any. Take time to breathe it while you still can.

Originally Posted by DreamVail

@ the op. This is as silly as saying that America did not land on the moon and that was all staged.

Originally Posted by Seroquel

I wonder if you would be such a smart ass if you knew someone who died that day.

Originally Posted by cmind

I wonder if you would be such a smart ass if you knew someone who died that day.

What does this have to do with the people who died? - And I do know someone who died that day. Why does that even matter?

Here is a link to a long list of credible people who question the official story. Alex Jones sort of annoys me, but the links are all there regardless.

» Highly Credible People Question 9/11

It seems ridiculous until you actually start to research it. I also think some people don't want to accept it as a possibility because the idea that there are people in power who would mass murder their own citizens for personal gain is too horrific.

Nah, the ridiculous thing is that an act of pointless violence that claimed 3,000 lives was responded to with an act of war that claimed the lives of 7,000 troops and hundreds of thousands of civilians.

WHO CARES if 9/11 was secretly an inside job, when the USA has overtly caused the deaths of a greater number of its nationals anyway, along with colossally greater numbers of civilians?

Well I agree that is certainly ridiculous as well, considering the wars caused many more deaths than 9/11 ever did (respond to murder with more murder.) Nevertheless if there were a power sect within the government willing to murder its own people for its own agenda, I think it would be a good idea to expose them.

But they're already exposed, and nobody cares.

Originally Posted by Xei

But they're already exposed, and nobody cares.

That's not true. The truth is that most overt atrocities are swept under the 'Greater Good' rug, and are softened by the nation's desensitization toward acts of war as a method of 'self-defense.' It's not that nobody cares. It's that people are blinded by knee-jerk reactions to a perceived threat - whether or not that threat actually exists. To expose a blatant agenda to murder 100's or 1000's of American people, as a pretext for military action (even a 'Greater Good' campaign, like the War on Terror was supposed to be), would be huge.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

That's not true [followed by an explanation of how it's true]

Huh?

Originally Posted by Xei

Huh?

Are you confused?

Originally Posted by Xei

Huh?

Lol. Wow.

What I said wasn't true was that it was 'exposed.' Something hiding in plain sight isn't necessarily 'exposed.' It's covered up by an alternate explanation.

So what followed that sentence wasn't an explanation of how it's true. It was an explanation of how what you said wasn't true. I guess you just misunderstood, but I didn't think it was that ambiguous.

Originally Posted by Xei

But they're already exposed, and nobody cares.

This is the truth.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that 9/11 wasn't staged beyond the level of MAYBE the CIA knowing about it and not telling anyone.

Oreinonaut: I don't think you get it. The US government and other governments around the world have murdered millions of people and enslave billions and no one seems to care. They carpet bombed Europe and killed millions. They enslaved hundreds of thousands to fight their wars overseas. They put people in rape cages for not paying tribute. How much more fucking obvious does it need to be for you?

Originally Posted by cmind

This is the truth.

Anyway, it's pretty obvious that 9/11 wasn't staged beyond the level of MAYBE the CIA knowing about it and not telling anyone.

Oreinonaut: I don't think you get it. The US government and other governments around the world have murdered millions of people and enslave billions and no one seems to care. They carpet bombed Europe and killed millions. They enslaved hundreds of thousands to fight their wars overseas. They put people in rape cages for not paying tribute. How much more fucking obvious does it need to be for you?

You misunderstand.

I get this. I do. The point that I'm trying to make is that, when this kind of shit is done, it is done in away that is tailored so that it seems like it's a necessity. Those who aren't completely fucking blind can see it. (You; I...) However, the fact that it is so easily explained away as 'collateral damage' keeps it among the realm of 'that which isn't truly exposed.' Maybe I'm being kind of technical here, but that's the way I see it. The reason that people don't care is because - for whatever reasons - they have found ways to explain away the atrocities that they are aware of, as 'Greater Good' solutions, instead of intrinsically malicious acts. Xei is interchanging the exposure of obvious self-defense measures, with what would happen if the population discovered that the government is willingly killing thousands of its citizens, in order to dupe the people into a premeditated war.

Call me crazy, but I think the two revelations would provoke different reactions, among the American people.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Xei is interchanging the exposure of obvious self-defense measures, with what would happen if the population discovered that the government is willingly killing thousands of its citizens, in order to dupe the people into a premeditated war.

Call me crazy, but I think the two revelations would provoke different reactions, among the American people.

Obviously, but that's their fault.

My only point is that it's pretty bizarre that the US can hold all these services for these 'innocent people who will always be remembered' when the reaction was to kill even more Americans.

And it's pretty abhorrent that the US can put the hundredfold greater death toll of civilians that it caused to the very back of its mind. Not Americans; not important.

Originally Posted by Xei

Obviously, but that's their fault.

My only point is that it's pretty bizarre that the US can hold all these services for these 'innocent people who will always be remembered' when the reaction was to kill even more Americans.

And it's pretty abhorrent that the US can put the hundredfold greater death toll of civilians that it caused to the very back of its mind. Not Americans; not important.

Whiule this is a good point, it's not even the take-away shocker. You think its hypocritical to honor 3000 dead by killing (far more than) hundreds of thousands more? No one disagrees 9/11 was used for far worse atrocities than 9/11 itself. But it's almost a drop in the bucket considering how nefarious and cruel our government has actually been on the issue. Even with the Official Story thrown out, meaning 9/11 has no official report as of now, it's still considered callous and unpatriotic to question the "official story," which is an act of war against accountability in government. Furthermore, people trying to get medical help for breathing in toxins digging through the rubble have had to fight for over 10 years now to get the help they need. Our politicians love using the tragedy to gain support but won't lift a finger to help the actual heroes. Even after they finally managed to get the bill through Congress that would help the 9/11 heroes, the included legislation that still fucked them over in the end. For one, just to rub salt on the wound and prove they'd cause 9/11 all over again if they had the chance, they made the people receiving medical care prove they weren't terrorists. Secondly, the bill doesn't cover cancer because they may have gotten their cancer somewhere else other than breathing in toxins every day for up to a year. In any possible way, our politicians have weaseled out of their responsibility to justice and the american people. In every possible way, they have been the real terrorists. Not only did they create an atmosphere where terrorist attacks are more likely, they shifted this country radically in the direction of a police state. They usurped our democracy.

Gulf of Tonkin was staged, the US is no stranger to staging shit in order to win public support. Not saying 9/11 was like Gulf of Tonkin. But Government Conspiracy is not non-existent.

I'm not exactly sure wether it was staged or not, but I'd probably even tend to say staged, rather than calling it terrorism. There are just too many strange findings about the story. Yet I'll try to stay neutral about it, because I have no means of telling for sure.
But it wouldn't surprise or shock me in the slightest anymore. Anyone who wants to open his eyes to what humans have done and are doing to the planet as well as each other, for the most ridiculous of reasons, should pretty fast find that a few thousand dying people are not even a droplet in the ocean.
And I wouldn't even dare to blame everything on governments and the likes. It's the civilians and the everyday "innocent" people who are playing their part just as good as any government does. From "I just care about my own life and happiness because that's natural" over "I'm something special and deserve more luxus than others" to "I have no clue about anything in the world, neither did I care to open my eyes once for reality, but hell I totally have to spout my mental diarrhea in everyones face if they're not already as dumb as me".
If those civilian and "innocent" people would wrap it up once in a while and do something for the good something like that couldn't happen eons. But we're not living in a world like that, we're on earth. Unless something changes more drastically than ever before things like this will keep on happening.