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Yup bingo!

I feel if we identify all dark tone individuals as black then it takes away a lot of true identity from them also it just lumps people up in one category and give them identities that does not truly associate with one another, in other words they'll be mislabeled.

Here is one more Ninja. What is she?

Exactly Omnis Dei.

I'm asking Ne-yo why he think black is a culture and not a skin colour. African American is a culture, Jamaican is a culture, Aborigines are a culture, British Carribean is a culture, they are all black, but their cultures (and genealogy) are EXTREMELY different. Black applies to many many many diverse cultures and ethnicities. Saying that all blacks are one culture is making him come off extremely racist, surely you agree.

This is your original post before your edit.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I don't know, if I had to guess I'd say they each had one black and one white parent.

Wrong. 1 out of the 3 photos has one black parent and one white parent directly linked to them. Also it's very clear in the last photo the girl is Asian how can you not see that??

Originally Posted by Ninja

I'm asking you why you think black is a culture and not a skin colour. African American is a culture, Jamaican is a culture, Aborigines are a culture, British Carribean is a culture, they are all black, but their cultures are EXTREMELY different.

Because it is, Google "black culture" see what comes up.

Originally Posted by Ninja

Saying that all blacks are one culture is not only stupid, but very racist. Black applies to many many many diverse cultures and ethnicities.

First of all I didn't make this statement, you did. You started off by saying that Indonesians are black, This is stupid because all Indonesians do not display dark skin tones all of the time. Hence...

Why would you call this girl black?

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Exactly Omnis Dei.

I'm asking Ne-yo why he think black is a culture and not a skin colour. African American is a culture, Jamaican is a culture, Aborigines are a culture, British Carribean is a culture, they are all black, but their cultures (and genealogy) are EXTREMELY different. Black applies to many many many diverse cultures and ethnicities. Saying that all blacks are one culture is making him come off extremely racist, surely you agree.

Your last sentence displays everything wrong in society. A person makes a single statement that he believes is true about African culture and he is called instinctively.........wait for it........a racist, pic related

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I forgot, prejudging people based on skin colour is okay again.

Forget about fundamentalism, greed, authoritarianism... taking issue with prejudice is the TRUE root of all problems in society.

That would only apply if you have a prejudice issue to take an issue against in the first place.

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

That would only apply if you have a prejudice issue to take an issue against in the first place.

im trying to help you out here man

Thanks but I think it's pretty clear that I'm in no way racist toward anyone of dark or light skin tone. Ninja has age old beef with me for unrelated stuff that he can't seem to let go of.

Whatever the case I agree with Ne-yo, and I decided I agree with him because of this

African American is a culture, Jamaican is a culture, Aborigines are a culture, British Carribean is a culture, they are all black, but their cultures (and genealogy) are EXTREMELY different.

This sounds off to me. It reduces Black to a term only usable by law-enforcement in order to find suspects, essentially. It makes it sound like I should be using a different word besides black but that's a qualifying term for a black guy. Besides, Jamaicans, British Carribean and African American all came from africa after the first migration. Their ancestors lived in africa during the period of human variation between races. Aborginals did not but they're also not black. Though a cop would disagree, but they also can't tell the difference between arabs and mexicans.

Yea it should sound very off, especially when someone makes an ignorant statement like "Jamaican is culture and everyone who is Jamaican is black". First of all Jamaican is a nationality. There is of course a culture that presents itself among Jamaican people just like any other country but "Jamaican" in the general sense of the word is a national heritage and everyone who is Jamaican does not posses dark skin, which leaves one to wonder if this dude has ever visited Jamaica. Because if he had, then he would see that there are Chinese Jamaicans that are direct descendants of the Hakka Chinese. Also that stuff he said about Aborigines and Indonesians is just nothing but sheer facepalm. I guess he realizes how ridiculously stupid he appeared which is why he hasn't returned. Instead of admitting that he was wrong and man up to the ignorance and embrace some knew knowledge, he just would rather run. I tell ya, pride is a mother!

tbh this whole tangent seems pretty pointless and semantic. If people communicated properly I doubt anyone here would find they have any genuine discrepancies in views about race.

It's not pointless. It's only pointless to you because I'm the guy arguing with your little buddy. If it were anyone else you wouldn't have anything to say at all.

> Say that nobody has any real disagreements
> BAWWW UR SO BIASED

Grow the fuck up Ne-Yo.

Dude whoa! what? You wanna piece of me? If you feeling froggy then leap...lol.

This is an important issue, Xei. I mean... maybe not like math but its a good question to figure out where racial boundaries lie. Obviously race is not a clear classification as people exist on a grade and are all diverse in some way. But we use the term Black to encompass a whole group of culturally different people, and many with genetic difference. A light skinned black person isn't even assumed biracial or anything, they're simply called light. An aboriginal is off the main trend of Blacks from Africa, they're black in skin tone only and are genealogically a completely different race. But different blacks from Africa are more like different whites from Europe, just with a greater degree of variation. Everyone whose ancestors came from europe (generally speaking, obviously migrations happens constantly) is white. They get a little darker when you get into Southern Europe, just as Africans grow lighter in Northern Africa. Everyone from Asia is Asian except Indians, which we generally give their own race because they're so different. We also often give Somoans, Filipinos and other exceptionally unique types of people their own names.

A Jamaican, A Descendent of an American Slave, a British Carribean and an African can all look the same, sound the same and act the same once they've adapted to whatever culture they find themselves in. There's no way to tell other than cultural expression which can be misleading for the children of immigrants. And Aboriginals look completely different, they're just also very dark.

Very well put. It's a shame however, that so many people are blinded by their own hate and cannot see their own faults. Xei referencing semantics doesn't play any part in this argument whatsoever. Saying that Jamaicans are all black isn't semantics that's just plain ignorant and wrong. Why defend ignorance?

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

uces Black to a term only usable by law-enforcement in order to find suspects, essentially. It makes it sound like I should be using a different word besides black but that's a qualifying term for a black guy. Besides, Jamaicans, British Carribean and African American all came from africa after the first migration. Their ancestors lived in africa during the period of human variation between races. Aborginals did not but they're also not black. Though a cop would disagree, but they also can't tell the difference between arabs and mexicans.

So wait, you said you disagree with me, but last sentence is literally my exact point, how is that possible? You meant to say you agree with me? This thread is about how cops group people together when racially profile, not genetics or ancestral lineage. You'll get no argument from me than african descended people are very different genetically from aboriginal people, but their skin colours are both black, blacks a skin colour, its not indicative of genetics. Also, I'm quite sure cops can tell the difference between arabs and mexicans, they look pretty different.

I called my friend in Indonesia, turns out I was wrong. There is a massive variety there, in the north they look like the people that Ne-yo posted, ie asian, further south, they look like the people I posted, ie aboriginal. Seems to be split about 40/60, with the majority looking asian. okay, so 40% indonesians would be considered black, if the US south asian group has a similar ratio, people of black skin are still the majority of muslims.

And ne-yo, why did you bring up that old stuff? I got over it, why can't you? Evolution is real, spontaneous genesis happened, every biologist will tell you that, get over it. You just want to argue with me because I've made you look dumb before. Oh no, I omitted the word "mostly" when I said jamaicans are black because it's implied, I must be racist. Grow up kid.
Demographics of Jamaica: black 91.2%, mixed 6.2%, other or unknown 2.6%

Originally Posted by ninja9578

I called my friend in Indonesia, turns out I was wrong.

I can respect that. Good man.

Originally Posted by Ninja

And ne-yo, why did you bring up that old stuff? I got over it, why can't you? Evolution is real, spontaneous genesis happened, every biologist will tell you that, get over it. You just want to argue with me because I've made you look dumb before.

Dude what are you harping on? Of course Evolution is real. I don't subscribe to abiogenesis for obvious reasons. I wasn't intentionally trying to argue with you. I saw on several instances that you made inaccurate statements and I corrected you, that's it. Now I'm done.

Ninja my point is that the most accurate way to profile people it based on geneological heritage. So black represents jamaican black, american black, british black but does not include dark skinned people geneologically outside of that trend.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Ninja my point is that the most accurate way to profile people it based on geneological heritage. So black represents jamaican black, american black, british black but does not include dark skinned people geneologically outside of that trend.

Yeah, but the point of THIS thread is about FBI (cops.) Cop's don't perform DNA tests to determine how to profile someone, they look at how dark they are. My point is that melanin is the only factor relevant to police profiling. Genealogy is irrelevant.

I understand the difference between scientific data and "observed" data, I have tons and tons of scientific education. If you want to make a thread about the difference between african and aboriginal and other very dark people, i a SCIENTIFIC sense, I'd completely agree with you, but that's a completely different set of circumstances. You are ignoring context here. I agree that they are different scientifically, but not in the context of police profiling.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Yeah, but the point of THIS thread is about FBI (cops.) Cop's don't perform DNA tests to determine how to profile someone, they look at how dark they are. My point is that melanin is the only factor relevant to police profiling. Genealogy is irrelevant.

But the cops should be able to pick up on other racial markers, such as facial features. They should at least be able to differentiate african-americans from others with a darker skin tone.

That's basically what I'm trying to say. It's very misleading to use the word black to mean someone whose ancestors are not from africa post-migration. Imagine if the cops were given a red alert to find a latino, they find an arab and let him go because he didn't fit the description... cops need to learn how to be precise. The reason I say aboriginals are not black is because they look unique to that specification and different from the standard black characterization.

Originally Posted by khh

But the cops should be able to pick up on other racial markers, such as facial features. They should at least be able to differentiate african-americans from others with a darker skin tone.

No, cops shouldn't racially profile at all. The 4th and 14th amendments both ban it. Not that cops don't do that, which is the point of the OP article.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

That's basically what I'm trying to say. It's very misleading to use the word black to mean someone whose ancestors are not from africa post-migration. Imagine if the cops were given a red alert to find a latino, they find an arab and let him go because he didn't fit the description... cops need to learn how to be precise. The reason I say aboriginals are not black is because they look unique to that specification and different from the standard black characterization.

Well, when looking for an INDIVIDUAL, they need to look at markers, but if the cop is too stupid to not be able to tell the difference between two different black people, he shouldn't not be a cop. If a cop is going to arrest someone, they better be sure they are arresting the right person.

OMG, it's Jackie Chan!

I'm not following you. I'm talking about a situation where a suspect description comes over radio and because the cop issuing the description is following some reductionist racial profiling, he ends up describing the wrong ethnicity and the suspect escapes.