Thread: Is the EU attempting to circumvent democracy?

Soo... what was the whole point of the EU? Because it doesn't seem like anything has improved because of it... the countries still hate each other, the Euro is crumbling, except this time ALL of the countries have to suffer from the failures of a select few economies...

I could definitely see why some people in the UK are Eurosceptics

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

Soo... what was the whole point of the EU? Because it doesn't seem like anything has improved because of it... the countries still hate each other, the Euro is crumbling, except this time ALL of the countries have to suffer from the failures of a select few economies...

I could definitely see why some people in the UK are Eurosceptics

If you want my opinion, the point of the EU was so certain central banks could monopolize the banking system in Europe.

Originally Posted by Xei

Yep, still a complete fabrication. I said I wasn't optimistic about a conflict with the army. What train of thought do you have to follow to conclude that this means 'democracy is for communists'?

See what I mean?

Just trying to defend a people that I believe deserve democracy. You never did say that they'd be better off with Mubarak but it sounded like you were heading in that direction. It sounded like you were being pessimistic about the power of revolution. I am simply defending my faith in the power of a people to overcome anything with hope and knowledge.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Just trying to defend a people that I believe deserve democracy.

And I 100% agree with you and have never said otherwise. Yet as per usual you lumped me with vehemence into the 'hates freedom' category, which is exactly what the kind of irrational bias I talked about.

Originally Posted by ThePreserver

Soo... what was the whole point of the EU? Because it doesn't seem like anything has improved because of it... the countries still hate each other, the Euro is crumbling, except this time ALL of the countries have to suffer from the failures of a select few economies...

European countries 'hate each other'..? Not sure why you think that. But otherwise as far as I can tell you are right in your analysis. It's worth also mentioning that the countries who have been hit worst of all are those who are failing. They have a large part of the culpability, but the EU has just as much.

Originally Posted by Xei

European countries 'hate each other'..? Not sure why you think that. But otherwise as far as I can tell you are right in your analysis. It's worth also mentioning that the countries who have been hit worst of all are those who are failing. They have a large part of the culpability, but the EU has just as much.

"hate" is probably the wrong word... but they have been warring for the past couple millennia, there has to be some tension built up since World War II, (especially since Germany and France are being relied upon to prop up the failures... but hey, Germany and France finally have something in common!) I feel bad for them; they do each have debt problems, but it's not nearly as bad as Greece or Italy, but they're all tied together for as long as they share a currency.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

If you want my opinion, the point of the EU was so certain central banks could monopolize the banking system in Europe.

That's certainly one plausible explanation. Another one is that it expanded the power and size of the political class. But nevertheless, are we to understand that you think it would be better if each European country was once again independent?

Originally Posted by cmind

That's certainly one plausible explanation. Another one is that it expanded the power and size of the political class. But nevertheless, are we to understand that you think it would be better if each European country was once again independent?

The central banks own the political class. Even if european countries were economically independent it would only be a matter of time before they're dealt bad loans or forced into a recession with predatory lending or in some other way financially obligated to these larger interests and forced to sell off their assets.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

The central banks own the political class. Even if european countries were economically independent it would only be a matter of time before they're dealt bad loans or forced into a recession with predatory lending or in some other way financially obligated to these larger interests and forced to sell off their assets.

I would call it more like a loving partnership between the banks and the politicians to fuck over everyone stupid enough to believe in the validity of the state.

As for your second statement, I can't make heads or tails of it. Sorry.

Originally Posted by cmind

I would call it more like a loving partnership between the banks and the politicians to fuck over everyone stupid enough to believe in the validity of the state.

As for your second statement, I can't make heads or tails of it. Sorry.

I don't see this partnership any more loving than the partnership between an employer and the employee. Let me show you my worldview.