Quote Originally Posted by Omnis Dei View Post
The central banks own the political class. Even if european countries were economically independent it would only be a matter of time before they're dealt bad loans or forced into a recession with predatory lending or in some other way financially obligated to these larger interests and forced to sell off their assets.
I would call it more like a loving partnership between the banks and the politicians to fuck over everyone stupid enough to believe in the validity of the state.

As for your second statement, I can't make heads or tails of it. Sorry.