Thread: Internet censorship

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Congress is attempting to pass a law to allow the censorship of the internet. They are using the guise of antipiracy, but can allow them to block whatever they want.

Not that the government even cares about the bill of rights anymore, but for non americans, I thought I would post The First Amendment to the Constitution:

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

There are ways around this of course through proxies and other little tricks.

Absolutely absurd. The internet will never stand for this. If they start to censor people's internet content, it's only a matter of time until our greatest fears as a free nation are realized. Bad government! Bad!

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Congress is attempting to pass a law to allow the censorship of the internet. They are using the guise of antipiracy, but can allow them to block whatever they want.

If you say so..?

Originally Posted by Xei

If you say so..?

Do you really think this has anything to do with copyrights? Do you honestly think that if they pass this Facebook, Youtube, and the other internet giants will be taken down? All of them have copyrighted material on them. This is an attack on wikileaks and sites like it.

It concerns me that people don't fully grasp gradualism, either. There are always rationalizations to these things, "Oh, it's to stop terrorism (USA PATRIOT Act)" "Oh it won't affect me... (US Citizen assassinated without trial or even accused of illegal acts)" But now it's blatant. Just sad.

And somehow people still think that government is a good thing and might, one day, actually work for the people... Hmm.

Aus gov tried it here under the guide of trying to stop child porn lol

It had an approval rating of somewhere around 1% haha!
If Americans aren't too much more stupid, it will not work there either, unless the gov doesn't care about public opinion and just does it anyway.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Do you really think this has anything to do with copyrights? Do you honestly think that if they pass this Facebook, Youtube, and the other internet giants will be taken down? All of them have copyrighted material on them. This is an attack on wikileaks and sites like it.

I don't know; I haven't seen what powers the law proposes, and you haven't given any information.

Originally Posted by Xei

I don't know; I haven't seen what powers the law proposes, and you haven't given any information.

To be fair, he did give a fair bit of information but, as you can see, his post was censored by SOPA. It's a conspiracy, I tell you!

Originally Posted by Xei

I don't know; I haven't seen what powers the law proposes, and you haven't given any information.

"Under current practice, copyright owners such as TV networks and Hollywood studios reach out to websites to request that pirated videos be taken down. Under the new regime, they could ask banks, Internet service providers and domain name registrars to stop doing business with websites that they believed were devoted to piracy. They could, for instance, go straight to YouTube's domain registration company and demand that the entire YouTube website be taken down. And if the registrar resisted, the copyright owners would have the legal ability to take the registrar to court."

SOPA, Internet Censorship Bill, Lauded By Both Parties In Key House Hearing

Xei, why is it that you never read anything and yet everything you don't know is false? Socrates is so disappoint with you.

Again, I don't think even if this is passed, that the government will go after Youtube. I'm very sure that this is just a ploy to make it legal to block Wikileaks and other whistleblower sites that are embarrassing to the government.

The congressmen still have a few major hurdles. AOL Inc., eBay Inc., Facebook, Yahoo Inc. and Twitter, and Google, all oppose the bill, and each is a big hurdle. Google just needs to put an anti SOPA logo or small piece of text on their page and millions of people will see it a day. Google's done political stuff like that before. Facebook can also make a message go viral at will too. Not that the congress cares what the citizens think.

omg, that is such bullcrap xD So you're not allowed so say what you think? I thought resoning was a good thing.

Yeah it's obviously a ploy to attack websites like wikileaks, that's clear. What scares me is the freedom this gives our government over the content they allow on the web. They're using copyright infringement to pass the bill but the enforcement of the bill doesn't rely on copyright material. It gives absolute power of content to a government agency then says "btw this is only for pirates right wink wink lolz?"

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Again, I don't think even if this is passed, that the government will go after Youtube. I'm very sure that this is just a ploy to make it legal to block Wikileaks and other whistleblower sites that are embarrassing to the government.

No reason they can't do both.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Yeah it's obviously a ploy to attack websites like wikileaks, that's clear. What scares me is the freedom this gives our government over the content they allow on the web. They're using copyright infringement to pass the bill but the enforcement of the bill doesn't rely on copyright material. It gives absolute power of content to a government agency then says "btw this is only for pirates right wink wink lolz?"

The thing I don't like is that as it stands, they can block content on an international level.

Originally Posted by Omnis Dei

Xei, why is it that you never read anything and yet everything you don't know is false? Socrates is so disappoint with you.

When did I ever express an opinion on this? Point to where I did.

Somebody made an assertion and I asked them to explain it. The fact you think this is somehow irrational or biased puts you firmly in that category yourself, as per usual.

The thing you quoted makes it look like a power grab, though it doesn't necessarily look like it could bestow the power to remove Wikileaks; that would depend on what piracy encompasses, and whether there are any other stipulated reasons for the use of these powers.

I don't know what powers the US currently has at the moment anyway. I've seen sites taken down by the FBI before, and it didn't look like it was by request.

Originally Posted by Xei

I've seen sites taken down by the FBI before, and it didn't look like it was by request.

That's different. The FBI can take down websites HOSTED in the USA. This is a bill to censor the internet, meaning the whole internet. It's like the first step to the Great Firewall of China.

Uh oh, looks like the Reef shark is back in the waters, shredding the issues with razor-sharp sardonic comments! The blood of the BAD GUYS fills the blogosphere through righteous indignation, causing a feeding FRENZY! Scroll on; read on; stay bloodthirsty for justice, my friends!

Ninja you cant even write a single comment without regurgitating someone else's cud can you? First you nuzzle on anything and everything dealing with anonymous and now you tap Dos Equis commercials for material? The Reef is a toothless sturgeon with the originality of a Glenn Becks bowel movement, people.

What rock have you been under? We've been seizing domains for over a year now, there is nothing new about any of this stuff, you've obviously never heard of Operation in Our Sites. I'll leave it at that but one things for damn sure, we certainly do not need a bill passed when the US District Courts can stamp executed court orders. Bottom line, don't have pirated content on your site and you wouldn't have anything to worry about or you may find this on your sites homepage.

Originally Posted by ninja9578

That's different. The FBI can take down websites HOSTED in the USA.

Believe that if you want to.

Alternatively, bust the fascination with IP. Makes for a freer society.

The United States can only seize sites owned and operated in the United States. They have no jurisdiction abroad.

Cept with this new law, for some reason....

Originally Posted by Ne-yo

Stop finding my posts just to argue with them. Your image isn't helping you. Your image literally says they had a seizure warrant.

Here is the text of the bill. Find the word warrant in it. Maybe you should stop listening to Fox News for information about bills I discuss and actually read them. Most aren't that long. Fox News lies, the actual text doesn't.

Originally Posted by tommo

unless the gov doesn't care about public opinion and just does it anyway.

^ this

Originally Posted by ninja9578

Stop finding my posts just to argue with them. Your image isn't helping you. Your image literally says they had a seizure warrant.

Finding your post?? Is this not your thread or did I miss something? Also, any domain can be seized as I've already stated and I don't watch faux news like you.

Ne-yo, watch this


SOPA and ACTA will ruin the Internet.