'Gray State' - Is it closer than most people think?

[mcwillis]

The youtube clip below is the official trailer for a film that is being funded by the general public for it's creation into a feature film. I found it shocking that some of the actors initially thought that the film's story ever becoming a reality seemed 'far-out and whacky'. A National Guard soldier has recently spoken out about the recent training his unit has received for domestic duties. The article below also highlights other leaked army training activities; the dismantling of democracy and the increasing militarization of domestic police duties that has taken place within recent years in the US. I think that it isn't that far away, dependant upon complete economic collapse (a year or two), but the plans seem to be have been put in place as a definite scenario by the powers that be for quite some time. Referred to only as 'Soldier X' under promise of anonymity, an Army National Guardsman spoke via phone with Infowars Nightly News Producer Rob Dew regarding a recent briefing his unit underwent on actions the military would take in the event that an Obama election loss sparked rioting in America’s streets. Citing not only recent widespread threats to riot if Mitt Romney were to become the next U.S. president, but threats to actually assassinate him should he win, Soldier X’s superiors dispensed plans of how the National Guard would be responsible for 'taking over' and quelling such unrest. The soldiers were reportedly told 'Doomsday preppers will be treated as terrorists.' In addition, guns will be confiscated. 'They have a list compiled of all these doomsday preppers that have gone public and they plan to go after them first,' Soldier X said. He claimed those in charge are acting under the belief that preppers will be 'the worst part' of any potential civil unrest. Soldier X was also told that any soldiers in the ranks who are known as preppers will be deemed 'defects.' He explained the label meant these soldiers would be treated as traitors. 'If you don’t conform, they will get rid of you,' he added. Unit members also warned not to associate with any fellow soldiers who are preppers. Not only does the military reportedly plan to target preppers should mass chaos break out, but Soldier X also voiced his concerns regarding civilian gun confiscation. Soldier X admitted, 'Our worry is that Obama’s gonna do what he said he’s gonna do and he’s gonna outlaw all weapons altogether and anybody’s name who is on a weapon, they’re gonna come to your house and try to take them.' It would not be the first time the National Guard has been used to unconstitutionally disarm law-abiding citizens, robbing them of their Second Amendment right to bear arms. In the aftermath of hurricane Katrina, police and military took to the streets disarming lawful gun owners, including those who were on dry land and had plenty of stored food and water. Fast forward to this past summer when a leaked Army manual dated 2006 entitled, 'Civil Disturbance Operations' surfaced outlining plans not only to confiscate firearms domestically during mass unrest, but to actually detain and even kill American citizens who refuse to hand over their guns. This manual works in conjunction with 'FM 3-39.40 Internment and Resettlement Operations,' another Army manual leaked this year, which instructs troops on how to properly detain and intern Americans into re-education camps, including ways that so-called 'psy-op officers' will 'indoctrinate' incarcerated 'political activists' into developing an 'understanding and appreciation of U.S. policies and actions.' Add these manuals to the plethora of Executive Orders Obama has signed during his term which have dismantled our Constitution piece by piece, including the martial law implementing National Defense Resources Preparedness Executive Order which gives the president the power to confiscate citizens’ private property in the event of any national emergency, including economic. Add all that to the National Defense Authorization Act (NDAA) in which Obama granted powers to disappear and indefinitely detain American citizens without any due process, and it is easy to see the tyrannical big picture our government has painted. When asked if he would go along with gun confiscation, Soldier X replied he and his fellow like-minded guardsmen planned to stand down — not answer the phone or show up to post. 'I’m sorry but I don’t believe in suicide,' he said. Preppers are becoming regular government targets these days, most recently when a Missisippi prepper group member with a clean record was suddenly taken off his flight halfway to Japan and informed he was on the no-fly list, an FBI terrorist watchlist, stranding him in Hawaii. Other preppers have been denied their Second Amendment rights without legitimate cause. It is beyond glaringly obvious at this point the U.S. government is gearing up for mass civil unrest. Not only has the DHS sparked controversy by purchasing billions of rounds of ammo, but the department even went so far as to begin classifying further purchases, blacking out bullet figures it is using taxpayer money to buy. In addition, while FEMA can procure a billion dollars in bulk food supplies, the FBI’s Communities Against Terrorism project released a flier instructing military surplus store owners to report any customers who 'make bulk purchases of items' including 'meals ready to eat'. Should society as we know it collapse following the election, it would seem the ultimate prepper and the ultimate terrorist is, indeed, the U.S. government.

[Supernova]

Should society as we know it collapse following the election Are you saying you expect this to happen? Keep in mind too, Infowars isn't exactly known for their objectivity.

[Alric]

Something like that could very easily happen, everything is already in place. There is two major problems though. The first is a lot of people are aware of the problem, and are constantly fighting against it. As much as many people turn a blind eye and let the government get away with murder, there is still a lot of people in this country that are all over the issue bringing up every tiny thing the government does wrong and making sure we all know about it. The second thing is that the US has a TON of guns. I mean we are by far the largest gun owning population in the world. There is nearly enough guns in the US that every single person in the country could have one. Not just pistols and stuff either, shotguns and assault rifles will pierce through body armor. You see the trouble the US army is having in places like Iraq and Afghanistan? That would be a walk in the park compared to the US. In fact if you look at the estimated percentage of guns per capita of people, Afghanistan is 4%. Iraq is 34%. The US? 88.8%. Heck Switzerland which is known for having a very strong militia and requires people to be in their equivalent of a national guard and own guns only got 46% Lets be honest, any attempt at gun confiscation will fail. There is just way to many guns, they can't possibly get even a fraction of them.

[mcwillis]

Are you saying you expect this to happen? Keep in mind too, Infowars isn't exactly known for their objectivity. I don't blindly believe everything from this news network. The legislation, logisitics, equipment, leaked army and police documents including training videos strongly suggest the US government is prepared for massive domestic mayhem. Something like that could very easily happen, everything is already in place. There is two major problems though. The first is a lot of people are aware of the problem, and are constantly fighting against it. As much as many people turn a blind eye and let the government get away with murder, there is still a lot of people in this country that are all over the issue bringing up every tiny thing the government does wrong and making sure we all know about it. The second thing is that the US has a TON of guns. I mean we are by far the largest gun owning population in the world. There is nearly enough guns in the US that every single person in the country could have one. Not just pistols and stuff either, shotguns and assault rifles will pierce through body armor. You see the trouble the US army is having in places like Iraq and Afghanistan? That would be a walk in the park compared to the US. In fact if you look at the estimated percentage of guns per capita of people, Afghanistan is 4%. Iraq is 34%. The US? 88.8%. Heck Switzerland which is known for having a very strong militia and requires people to be in their equivalent of a national guard and own guns only got 46% Lets be honest, any attempt at gun confiscation will fail. There is just way to many guns, they can't possibly get even a fraction of them. Yes a lot of people are aware about it, but I think they are still a small minority. With regards to the gun issue I can see why the Department of Homeland security has been purchasing a ridiculously enormous amount of high power ammunition. They purchased this year, as part of their stock, 450 million rounds of 10mm caliber hollow point bullets that are designed to expand upon entry and cause maximum organ damage. This ammunition is deadly and designed as 'one shot kill' ammo. To put this into perspective the standard issue assault rifle for the British army, commonly called the SA80, uses a standard tip 5.5mm bullet. Many British soldiers have complained deeply that this weapon is not suitable for long term warfare in Afghanistan as it takes on average 9 rounds to kill a person. The DHS, when questioned by the media as to why they were aquiring such powerful ammunition they said it was for 'immigration control training!!!' As you have pointed out Alric they clearly understand that the populace are well armed and are prepared for this.

[Woodstock]

I wouldn't be surprised if in 50 years or less America looks like North Korea.

[Alric]

I thought it was funny in the debate(the second I think), Romney said assault rifles were banned in the US. Oh no, they are legal. There are some machine guns and very powerful guns that are also legal if they were made before some specific date. Things like the .50 cal, which are legal if you have them before that date. Not to mention people running around with home made flame throwers and cannons. Heck it is legal to own things like tank and fighter jets if you remove the weapons. It probably wouldn't be to hard to reinstall the weapons and suddenly you got jet fighters flying down the street.

[cmind]

I wouldn't be surprised if in 50 years or less America looks like North Korea. Not possible. Heck, even North Korea isn't possible. The only reason it doesn't collapse is foreign aid (some of which is from the US government). Open tyranny is the final stage of empire, and it never lasts long. If you want some indication of where the US is going, read about the Roman empire from about 200-500 AD. There was a good long time when it was metastable in a sort of fake republic where most citizens knew or suspected that they were living under tyranny but didn't care enough to change it (this is analogous to 20th and early 21st century America) However, once the tyranny became obvious, the Empire (and Europe) quickly split into smaller and smaller states until equilibrium was restored. These 'Dark Ages' as modern historians incorrectly refer to them, eventually gave rise to the greatest period of human freedom the world has ever known*. *Even feudalism, although ultimately temporary and not even ubiquitous across every corner of Europe (for instance parts of Scandinavia never adopted that system) was better for the average European than the Roman system of outright slavery. An 11th century peasant had a much better life than a 3rd century slave.

[Descensus]

Keep in mind too, Infowars isn't exactly known for their objectivity. Or it's credibility. Or adherence to facts. Or level-headed thinking. Or anything remotely decent really.

[Alric]

The US already comes predivided in 50 states. Would be hard for states to break off to be honest. Though I suspect that it isn't unlikely states would go it alone. If it did split, it might be more like regions.

[juroara]

There is one part I can say is true, the government is starting to treat "doomsday preppers" as terrorists. My uncle's circle of friends includes individuals most would call crazy. Carlos Castaneda was once his dinner guest. For a million and one reaons, he was convinced that the economy could collapse any minute, so he built a bunker in his apartment for his family. Soon after the FBI harrassed him. My moms job requires her to travel. She crossed a border check point without realizing and felt harrassed by the border police. She showed them documents for the job she works for, the company hotel and the border clients she has to visit. They didn't ask to see any documents, they just kep asking her personal questions. They quized her about puerto rico as if they thoguht she was lying. Not that this has anything to do with my uncle, but my mom was freaked out, lol. She called up my uncle and my uncle had a similar but more serious story. The FBI came to his home to question why he wanted a passport. Was it the bunker? Too much? After that call my mom wondered if her border experience was related, if they were actually trying to learn more about her brother. Most of the family considers my uncle a little paranoid, but after how he FBI treated him, the government is only living up to his doomsday expectations.

[DeletePlease]

^ I've been hearing about that lately too, why on earth would the government be concerning itself with people who are simply preparing for a worst-case-scenario? It's things like that that make me take the conspiracy theorists a little more seriously these days.