Thread: Was Sandy Hook a Hoax?

Originally Posted by Alric

What do you want? Me to go dig up his body then drive it over to your house so you can see it? His body was found at the scene, and the police confirmed his identity. Your claim is in fact, that he wasn't alive, so where is your proof? Where is there anything at all that suggests he was dead? If there is nothing to suggest he was dead prior to the event, then there is no hole. There is just you saying you don't want to believe the official story for no reason other than it doesn't fit your theory. That is just a bizarre thing you pulled out of your ass, saying he died 3 years ago. You have nothing at all to support that. What happened three years ago that you think killed him?

Jesus Fucking Christ, why are you still saying that I am claiming Lanza wasn't alive? I have been extremely clear about this. You are just being straight up dishonest. If you do that one more damn time, I'm done discussing this with you. Read what I write if you are going to comment on it. All we have is the word of some cops and the medical examiner that Lanza was alive. Isn't it odd that there is no photograph of Lanza at the school although the school had a high quality surveillance system? Well, isn't it???? Nobody verifies that he was alive in the three years before Sandy Hook. He stopped showing up at his barber shop, kids were telling their parents that he was no longer around, he had no computer accounts, neighbors never saw him any more. He was not seen by anybody who was alive after Sandy Hook. That means shit doesn't add up. It doesn't mean I am completely convinced Adam was not alive. Don't miss this point again.

Go to my last post and start the documentary, Sandy Hoaxed 2nd Edition - The Sandy Hook Gun Control False Flag, and watch it starting at 36:35. You will get the picture of why there his an enormous hole in the Adam Lanza claim. I have another challenge for you. Find a picture of Adam and Ryan Lanza together. Can you do that? I am not convinced that they aren't the same person. There is good evidence suggesting that they very well may be. Watch the documentary clip. The facts are astounding.

Originally Posted by Alric

You are the one that implied that if a person was a musician and their child is reported dead, there is a chance they don't really have the child and it was just an act. That is what you are implying when you say stuff like that, and yea it doesn't make any sense when you say it out loud does it? So why are you saying it? First off why would a musician be hired as an actor? Being a musician doesn't make you an actor. Secondly there are a lot of them, a huge chunk of adults were in bands at some point. Also if they were actors who didn't have children, and didn't live in the state, why don't you show us evidence of that? Where is your evidence? Oh that is right, you have none. You just jump to the conclusion that if a person played a musical instrument they must be a lying scumbag who would make up having a child and claim that child die. If you had evidence that they didn't have any children, that would be a hole, someone happening to be a musician isn't a hole.

You're being ridiculous because you are stumped. Many of the people who really seem like crisis actors... ARE actors! Get it? This isn't rocket science.

Originally Posted by Alric

I don't know what to say, your eyes are just bad. There is clear differences between the two pictures I posted. If you think all blond girls look the same then I am not sure how to argue it, you are just wrong, and maybe consider getting glasses.

Uh, I'm saying they don't look the same. Madeline and Emilie do not look the same. Got it? Madeline and Emilie do not look the same. Okay? They don't look the same. So why are you saying that the girl who looks identical to Emilie in the Obama photo is Madeline? It's very obviously Emilie. There should be no confusion. Madeline and Emilie do not look the same! Get it?

Originally Posted by Alric

I don't know how many times I have to point this out but just because people happen to be vaguely going in the same direction and then some other people happen to be vaguely going in another direction, doesn't mean people are walking in a circle. To prove someone is walking in a circle you would have to show a video of a person leaving the door, walking around the building and entering the other door, which does not happen. The video does not show anyone walking in a circle. No one in that video is walking in a circle like you claim. Your claim is a lie and totally false.

Did you pause the video and SEE THE CIRCLE?????

Originally Posted by Alric

The people at the top of the screen and the bottom of the screen are different people. If person A walks left at the bottom of the screen and person B walks right at the top of the screen, that does not mean person A and B are walking in a circle. It means there is two people who just happen to be walking in opposite directions. I will repeat it again, since you don't seem to understand it. No one is walking in a circle, those are separate groups of people.

It is a circle of people. Perhaps you should consider getting glasses.

Originally Posted by Alric

Let me try another approach. You say you are an expert in human behavior and well studied in that area. Let me ask you then, when a human comes to a decision and they believe something, what happens when you confront them and tell them that they are wrong?

An intelligent person challenges you to prove it and does not agree with you until you actually have proven it. Pressure is worthless on a critical thinker.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Jesus Fucking Christ, why are you still saying that I am claiming Lanza wasn't alive? I have been extremely clear about this. You are just being straight up dishonest. If you do that one more damn time, I'm done discussing this with you. Read what I write if you are going to comment on it. All we have is the word of some cops and the medical examiner that Lanza was alive. Isn't it odd that there is no photograph of Lanza at the school although the school had a high quality surveillance system? Well, isn't it???? Nobody verifies that he was alive in the three years before Sandy Hook. He stopped showing up at his barber shop, kids were telling their parents that he was no longer around, he had no computer accounts, neighbors never saw him any more. He was not seen by anybody who was alive after Sandy Hook. That means shit doesn't add up. It doesn't mean I am completely convinced Adam was not alive. Don't miss this point again.

Go to my last post and start the documentary, Sandy Hoaxed 2nd Edition - The Sandy Hook Gun Control False Flag, and watch it starting at 36:35. You will get the picture of why there his an enormous hole in the Adam Lanza claim. I have another challenge for you. Find a picture of Adam and Ryan Lanza together. Can you do that? I am not convinced that they aren't the same person. There is good evidence suggesting that they very well may be. Watch the documentary clip. The facts are astounding.

You are the one being dishonest here. You basically claimed that you believe he was either dead or is a made up person that never existed, yet you wont provide any evidence for that. In fact, you already mentioned he had a social security number. So if Adam never existed and is really Ryan, why does he have a social security number? Does the conspiracy go all the way back to when he was born? Not to mention that Ryan doesn't really look that much like him.


You can't just say that the shooter is probably either dead or never even existed, then say, "Well I didn't make any claim" and I am just throwing out ideas. Why would you suggest just silly and far out things, unless you thought they were serious ideas that were true?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You're being ridiculous because you are stumped. Many of the people who really seem like crisis actors... ARE actors! Get it? This isn't rocket science.

No what I said makes perfect sense, your claims are the ridiculous one. First off musicians are not actors. Musicians play music, they are not actors, by the very definition of the words they are not the same. If someone wants to film a movie they hire actors, not musicians. If someone is putting on a play, they hire actors not musicians. Why would musicians be actors? Secondly, how can you claim they are professional actors, when you also claimed they sucked at acting?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Uh, I'm saying they don't look the same. Madeline and Emilie do not look the same. Got it? Madeline and Emilie do not look the same. Okay? They don't look the same. So why are you saying that the girl who looks identical to Emilie in the Obama photo is Madeline? It's very obviously Emilie. There should be no confusion. Madeline and Emilie do not look the same! Get it?

The girl in the photo with obama is clearly Madeline. When you compare close up of their faces, it is extremely obvious that Madeline in the picture with obama is in fact Madeline and not Emilie. She only looks similar to Emilie when view from further away because she wore a hand me down dress.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Did you pause the video and SEE THE CIRCLE?????

It is a circle of people. Perhaps you should consider getting glasses.

Again you keep ignoring my points. You can't see a circle when the video is paused. Any group of people will look like a circle if you pause it. That gives you no information on where they are going. Pausing it just shows you that at that given time there was people on all sides of the building, it doesn't prove they were walking in a circle. Like I said over and over and over, there is no one in the video who walks around in that circle. Which means it isn't a circle, it is just a group of people.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

An intelligent person challenges you to prove it and does not agree with you until you actually have proven it. Pressure is worthless on a critical thinker.

The answer I was looking for, was that they get extremely defensive, and make up excuses, like you are doing now. Here is an interesting article that I think you should read. You are basically doing what they describe in it. The more evidence we show that you are wrong, the more you dig your heels in, and the more excuses you make up to justify the position you have.

How facts backfire - The Boston Globe

Originally Posted by Alric

You are the one being dishonest here. You basically claimed that you believe he was either dead or is a made up person that never existed, yet you wont provide any evidence for that. In fact, you already mentioned he had a social security number. So if Adam never existed and is really Ryan, why does he have a social security number? Does the conspiracy go all the way back to when he was born? Not to mention that Ryan doesn't really look that much like him.

Quote where I supposedly said it, liar. Maybe this really is over your head. I don't have a theory about what happened except that it was a hoax because the official story doesn't add up. I have pointed out possibilities, and yes some of them contradict others. You are not taking in the fact that I am not claiming what happened. Do you understand what I am saying????????????? If not, tell me what you are not getting.

Originally Posted by Alric

No what I said makes perfect sense, your claims are the ridiculous one. First off musicians are not actors. Musicians play music, they are not actors, by the very definition of the words they are not the same. If someone wants to film a movie they hire actors, not musicians. If someone is putting on a play, they hire actors not musicians. Why would musicians be actors? Secondly, how can you claim they are professional actors, when you also claimed they sucked at acting?

Stage performance is acting. That is why every famous singer or rapper who has ever played a role in a movie did a great job with it. John Denver was awesome in Oh God, Ice Cube is a great actor, Mark Wahlberg is one of the best actors in the world, Dianna Ross kicks ass at acting, Dwight Yoakam was a total bad ass in Sling Blade, Ringo Starr is a good film actor, Queen Latifah is more famous for being an actress than she was as a rapper, Courtney Love is a really good actress, etc. Do you think that's all a bunch of really weird coincidence? Those people were already acting on stage on a regular basis. The Sandy Hoax actors suck at acting and were never in anything big. They were small time and not very good.

Originally Posted by Alric

The girl in the photo with obama is clearly Madeline. When you compare close up of their faces, it is extremely obvious that Madeline in the picture with obama is in fact Madeline and not Emilie. She only looks similar to Emilie when view from further away because she wore a hand me down dress.

It's not just the dress. It's the face, the smile, the hair, and even the way the hair is parted.



Now find me a picture from a different scene with Madeline looking like you claim she does in the Obama photo.

Originally Posted by Alric

Again you keep ignoring my points. You can't see a circle when the video is paused. Any group of people will look like a circle if you pause it. That gives you no information on where they are going. Pausing it just shows you that at that given time there was people on all sides of the building, it doesn't prove they were walking in a circle. Like I said over and over and over, there is no one in the video who walks around in that circle. Which means it isn't a circle, it is just a group of people.

They were in a circle. Not every crowd looks like a circle. That is so asinine.

Originally Posted by Alric

The answer I was looking for, was that they get extremely defensive, and make up excuses, like you are doing now. Here is an interesting article that I think you should read. You are basically doing what they describe in it. The more evidence we show that you are wrong, the more you dig your heels in, and the more excuses you make up to justify the position you have.

How facts backfire - The Boston Globe

No, that is what you are doing. You have not proven your argument, and I am not going to pretend like you have. You are at the point of making one asinine comment after another. Look up "self-projection hypothesis." You just posted an article about yourself, and that is self-projection. You said that all crowds look like circles. Come on. You're done.