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      Exactly. What they've essentially done, with the single sweep of a pen, is roll back decades of work by the ACLU to protect workers against discrimination. In protecting a company's freedom of religion, they've destroyed the worker's freedom of religion.

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      You realize it's poor form to just list a source on the subject without expositing even so much as your point, right? Are you trying to make an argument here? Because this article isn't making it for you. In plain English, it's still stating that owners have control over their employees' religious practices in the scope of all aspects related to their employment. Jehova's Witnesses, who do not believe in using medicine at all, or practice holidays, could effectively ban all healthcare and holidays.



      The simple fact is, by giving corporations freedom of religion, they have taken it away from the people. They have put a corporation's freedom of religious practice's ban on birth control precedent over a citizen's freedom of non-religious practice to take it.
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      Businesses should not be forced to pay for the medical insurance of their workers. If they are, they should not be forced to pay for birth control. If they are, they should not have to be forced to pay for birth control that a large portion of the religious population considers murderous. I am so sick of all of this outrageous control freak shit. People who can't respect other people's property still need to stay off of it when they are not welcome.

      A business owner is not violating people's freedom of religion by not giving them things they should not be entitled to. If I have people at my house and I don't give them my liquor because I worship tulips and think people who wear hats shouldn't drink vodka or tequila, I have not violated their religious freedom or anything else of theirs. If they mow my yard, I will pay them money. If they don't like that deal, they don't have to take it.
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      Quote Originally Posted by Original Poster View Post
      Watching Republocrats argue with each other about government is like watching Catholics and Mormons argue about God. They are so close to agreeing with each other but so cultish that they can't appreciate the similarities. Obama is light years from being a libertarian. The fact that he is closer to us in some ways than one of the two major political parties on some issues and closer than the other one on other issues does not change that. Obama is a big government president. It blows my mind that Republicans don't see how close to being one of them he is. His presidency is the reincarnation of the Bush 2 presidency. It is one of the most extreme smoke and mirrors tricks I have ever seen.
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