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By remaining reasonable and reminding people that it's a mental health issue, not a gun issue. People that are in favor of gun rights should also start campaigning for change in the way we deal with mental health issues. The Americans fucked up already, we just have to make sure we don't follow suit.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

By remaining reasonable and reminding people that it's a mental health issue, not a gun issue. People that are in favor of gun rights should also start campaigning for change in the way we deal with mental health issues. The Americans fucked up already, we just have to make sure we don't follow suit.

Anyone can say you got a mental issue when you don't if you catch my drift. This is not the issue, because you will see lots of abuse of power against people who are "known" as mental cases only because they assume so or those who need to take medications causes these issues...we can debate on this all day but from my point of view it's different because there always will be abusive power over those who are deemed "mental" like example..."You're mental because you are against guns...or you're mental because of your religion..etc etc" I can go all day about this.

Oh god dammit not every fucking loopy gun nut is a government sleeper agent. Can we stop perpetuating the Alex Jones crazy tour already? Is it really supposed to be surprising that he inspires ultra-conservative terrorists? His fucking self-fulfilling prophecy has basically been used to justify the surveillance state in the first place. He is unknowingly bringing to reality the phantoms he rants against, and this shooter is one of them.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

Oh god dammit not every fucking loopy gun nut is a government sleeper agent. Can we stop perpetuating the Alex Jones crazy tour already? Is it really supposed to be surprising that he inspires ultra-conservative terrorists? His fucking self-fulfilling prophecy has basically been used to justify the surveillance state in the first place. He is unknowingly bringing to reality the phantoms he rants against, and this shooter is one of them.

I'm way pass that "agent" stuff already, i'm going after clues...like how we all should be doing...going after mental or deemed mental people is a start for gun grabbing. I realize the feds took peoples advice and twist it and make it more on the abusive power, people always say..."It's the person behind the gun that is the problem"....now the NWO is going to use that in abusive power now. sigh thanks for every ones advice...they actually ratted on themselves now. "The non-awake people".

Originally Posted by Original Poster

Oh god dammit not every fucking loopy gun nut is a government sleeper agent.

That doesn't mean none of them are patsies.

Originally Posted by hathor28

I'm way pass that "agent" stuff already, i'm going after clues...like how we all should be doing...going after mental or deemed mental people is a start for gun grabbing. I realize the feds took peoples advice and twist it and make it more on the abusive power, people always say..."It's the person behind the gun that is the problem"....now the NWO is going to use that in abusive power now. sigh thanks for every ones advice...they actually ratted on themselves now. "The non-awake people".

People need to attribute it to mental illness because they don't want to admit that they're capable of extremist violence as well given the right circumstances such as buying into Alex Jones and being radicalized. Look at the Children of Drone or Terrorist University docs from Vice, the process of being radicalized into terrorism is ubiquitous. If Alex Jones were Muslim he'd be accurately labeled a terrorist recruiter. He preys on the weakminded and victimized, fuels them with anger then provides them a scapegoat.

Which is why I say the extreme right-wing libertarian movement in this country is creating a self-fulfilling prophecy for tyranny. Just like how terrorist organizations in the Middle East end up provoking the very attacks and western occupation they are supposedly trying to put a stop to, these gun nuts trying to defend their rights by assaulting random civilians are pressuring local, state and federal governments to roll back on their rights. You don't need a conspiracy or a mentally ill margin, the feedback loop is right fucking there.

As far as shooters that don't act out of political reasons, well the political aspect may be a bit more vague but terrorism is always political in nature, ultimately violence is the language of the voiceless, people don't feel like they're being heard in society so they make the world pay attention to them. SSRIs are linked to virtually every mass shooting, which not only increase a person's likelihood of acting out their fantasies (SSRIs are also attributed to the worst kinds of murder you could imagine) but also give evidence that they were troubled and marginalized for their troubles, given a pill and told to fuck off basically. So their troubles were not realistically addressed, and that's the way our society, especially the US and Canada, is set up. Everything is gilded and ugliness is swept under the rug so it comes back to bite us in the ass.

Yes i agree with all that you said...but i'm still keeping mind on where the feds is going with this "Mental illness" thing, and if anyone can take your rights by seeing that you are not "mind fit" they can "rat" on you....that's what basically is going on...next will be thought police and emotions...like the movie Equilibrium. Who the fuck knows! Anything goes with Nwo.

OP, screw Alex Jones. A shooting hoax is a big deal, and you can't expect people not to say anything about them when they know they have happened. Your argument about encouraging violence can be applied to any political position. Nobody in this thread has advocated violence against the government, and I have written against it a bunch in this forum. To say that we are encouraging violence is just like saying you are. There are lots of left wing nuts who are violent. Maybe you should stop giving them reasons to be angry?

Originally Posted by hathor28

Yes i agree with all that you said...but i'm still keeping mind on where the feds is going with this "Mental illness" thing, and if anyone can take your rights by seeing that you are not "mind fit" they can "rat" on you....that's what basically is going on...next will be thought police and emotions...like the movie Equilibrium. Who the fuck knows! Anything goes with Nwo.

How about, if you're prescribed to a SSRI, you can't own a gun? I know it sounds like a slippery slope, but the definition is plain, and you're not attributing it to mental illness, you're attributing it to the side effects of the drug, just like how on alcohol you're prohibited from operating a vehicle. Warning: May cause psychotic outbursts.

I'm not sure about the latest two outbursts, I attribute that mostly to radicalization toward violence. The way to solve that is to change the cultural language on the conservative side of the fence. They use hate and anger to get the voters to the polls, or to attract viewers as pundits. Valuing corporations over people is hardly a slogan that rallies the vote.

I live in Australia, where gun violence is almost non-existent, even among those on psychotropic medication.
I won't infiltrate your thread with my opinions on gun laws, but I'll leave this here for you guys...

Originally Posted by Original Poster

How about, if you're prescribed to a SSRI, you can't own a gun? I know it sounds like a slippery slope, but the definition is plain, and you're not attributing it to mental illness, you're attributing it to the side effects of the drug, just like how on alcohol you're prohibited from operating a vehicle. Warning: May cause psychotic outbursts.

I'm not sure about the latest two outbursts, I attribute that mostly to radicalization toward violence. The way to solve that is to change the cultural language on the conservative side of the fence. They use hate and anger to get the voters to the polls, or to attract viewers as pundits. Valuing corporations over people is hardly a slogan that rallies the vote.

Yes even the medicated will be attacked....remember this isn't my opinion, it's the feds. I know it isn't right deeming almost everything mentally deranged. It seems like there will come a time when people don't know who's mental and who's not, lots of confusion upon the future is coming.

~Dreamer~ i don't mind, my country is also non-existent about gun violence, but now it's starting because america is doing the same but in a different way of society trend. What is said here most often is "What happens in america also happens in canada and vice versa."

They're not going to take responsibility. But think about the John Oliver video, gun lobbies are pushing for open carry and stand your ground and then shooters seem like they could be anywhere right now. So people are being radicalized into violence and a short step away from people so looney they're shooting people are people so looney they're shooting people with impunity because of "stand your ground" and people that think they should be allowed to carry their fucking assault rifles into Denny's. So basically if I have a gun in a Denny's, ready to be a good guy with a gun, and I see a bunch of other good guys with bigger guns coming into the Denny's, what am I supposed to do? I wouldn't even be a hero if it were the old days, I could assume they were just robbing the place. Now I could worry they might just be out to kill people and I'm not gonna want to give them a chance to explain themselves.

EDIT: Also here's a video that I can't stand watching through. I hope his moment where he talked about the Illuminati spreading DMT to bring in the fourth dimensional aliens.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

How about, if you're prescribed to a SSRI, you can't own a gun? I know it sounds like a slippery slope, but the definition is plain, and you're not attributing it to mental illness, you're attributing it to the side effects of the drug, just like how on alcohol you're prohibited from operating a vehicle. Warning: May cause psychotic outbursts.

SSRI's do not make people mentally ill. Mentally ill people sometimes take SSRI's. The pills are not the problem. A lot of people desperately need SSRI's. Those medications can pull people out of the far depths of depression. Prozac saved my life twice. I was close to killing myself.

People who want to kill with guns are going to do it, law or no law. You can't stop the underground gun market any more than you can stop the underground drug market. Where there is a demand, there is a supply. That is how it works. If you piss on the Second Amendment and make it illegal for people on SSRI's to have guns, you will just be pissing on the Second Amendment. Also, let's not create a deterrent to people being prescribed SSRI's. The medications often prevent suicide. Let's also not screw with doctor/client privilege.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

I'm not sure about the latest two outbursts, I attribute that mostly to radicalization toward violence. The way to solve that is to change the cultural language on the conservative side of the fence. They use hate and anger to get the voters to the polls, or to attract viewers as pundits. Valuing corporations over people is hardly a slogan that rallies the vote.

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Washington is renaming the street outside China’s embassy after jailed dissident Liu Xiaobo

This makes me happy.

Originally Posted by Original Poster

Washington is renaming the street outside China’s embassy after jailed dissident Liu Xiaobo

China should do the same; they could use names like Edward Snowden, H. Rap Brown, etc.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

China should do the same; they could use names like Edward Snowden, H. Rap Brown, etc.

LMAO! Oh God lol this world.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

China should do the same; they could use names like Edward Snowden, H. Rap Brown, etc.

We should talk to China about it. That'd be the perfect passive-aggressive counter.

Originally Posted by ~ Dreamer ~

I live in Australia, where gun violence is almost non-existent, even among those on psychotropic medication.
I won't infiltrate your thread with my opinions on gun laws, but I'll leave this here for you guys...

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

AUSTRALIA: MORE VIOLENT CRIME DESPITE GUN BAN

April 13, 2009

It is a common fantasy that gun bans make society safer. In 2002 -- five years after enacting its gun ban -- the Australian Bureau of Criminology acknowledged there is no correlation between gun control and the use of firearms in violent crime. In fact, the percent of murders committed with a firearm was the highest it had ever been in 2006 (16.3 percent), says the D.C. Examiner.

Even Australia's Bureau of Crime Statistics and Research acknowledges that the gun ban had no significant impact on the amount of gun-involved crime:

In 2006, assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.

Moreover, Australia and the United States -- where no gun-ban exists -- both experienced similar decreases in murder rates:

Between 1995 and 2007, Australia saw a 31.9 percent decrease; without a gun ban, America's rate dropped 31.7 percent.
During the same time period, all other violent crime indices increased in Australia: assault rose 49.2 percent and robbery 6.2 percent.
Sexual assault -- Australia's equivalent term for rape -- increased 29.9 percent.
Overall, Australia's violent crime rate rose 42.2 percent.
At the same time, U.S. violent crime decreased 31.8 percent: rape dropped 19.2 percent; robbery decreased 33.2 percent; aggravated assault dropped 32.2 percent.
Australian women are now raped over three times as often as American women.

Before Shooting in Iraq, a Warning on Blackwater - New York Times

WASHINGTON — Just weeks before Blackwater guards fatally shot 17 civilians at Baghdad’s Nisour Square in 2007, the State Department began investigating the security contractor’s operations in Iraq. But the inquiry was abandoned after Blackwater’s top manager there issued a threat: “that he could kill” the government’s chief investigator and “no one could or would do anything about it as we were in Iraq,” according to department reports.

And then it gets worse.

I'm fucking nauseous right now. This is fucking infuriating.

Supreme Court rulings 2014: SCOTUS sides with Hobby Lobby on birth control - POLITICO.com

Originally Posted by Original Poster

I'm fucking nauseous right now. This is fucking infuriating.

Supreme Court rulings 2014: SCOTUS sides with Hobby Lobby on birth control - POLITICO.com

Explain to me why you think it's infuriating.

The court’s four liberal justices called it a decision of “startling breadth” and said that it allows companies to “opt out of any law (saving only tax laws) they judge incompatible with their sincerely held religious beliefs.”

You see nothing wrong with that?

Even if you ignore that, their defense was absolute nonsense. The law didn't infringe on their religious beliefs in the slightest.