Thread: Discussion of Homosexuality Acceptance (Split)

Originally Posted by GavinGill

You're more likely to contract disease through anal sex than through vaginal sex. Gay men are also less likely to use condoms because they're not worried about pregnancy. Hence the higher rates of infection among homosexual men.

Thats true, I agree. I feel like you are trying to make a point against me but I don't see how that contradicts anything I'm saying.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

The things being said in this thread are incredibly disappointing.

So instead of admitting how biased and skewed your one study was, and dismissing all of my studies without any sort of reason to dismiss them, you just say you're dissappointed?

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

How so?

Should we not have an open and honest discussion about it? Should we all just agree with what media wants us to say? Then there would hardly be any point to the thread being under extended discussion. I'm open to criticism of anything I've said and my mind can be changed if good enough points are made.

They can never win with facts and statistics, they always have to resort to censorship(political correctness), claiming the other side is "homophobic". It is what cultural marxism is. An ideology not based in reality but fantasy, it stems from places that do not have to think rationally to survive, like urban areas, and universities where they are able to avoid many of the hardships of reality. Karl Marx never worked a single day in his life and lived off the money of someone else. No wonder he always liked the idea of redistribution of wealth Communism pits man against nature, it is always doomed to fail. The acceptance of homosexuality is just one pillar of egalitarianism to culturally appropriate a country for marxist socialism or Communsim.

Originally Posted by Shamanite

Thats true, I agree. I feel like you are trying to make a point against me but I don't see how that contradicts anything I'm saying.

It wasn't meant to contradict, just to clarify. You made it sound like homosexual sex makes you more disease-prone, when in fact it's just irresponsibility that makes you more susceptible to venereal disease (regardless of sexual orientation).

In other words, that fun fact you pointed out was of no real importance whatsoever.

Originally Posted by Darkmatters

Well, I don't have any statistics, and I don't know how they arrived at those results, all I can talk about is experience. For all we know those might have been feminist-sponsored studies. Being raised by essentially a man-hating feminist I know my life would be different if my father had stuck around to defend me from her ideology and to socialize me into proper male behavior. Of course I can't say, even if he did stick around, that it would have been a happy functional family - it probably wouldn't. But I would have been grateful for at least a few more years of coaching in how boys are supposed to act. I wouldn't have been so ostracized all through school, would have learned to stand up for myself. My mom taught my sister and me that if we're being picked on by someone the thing to do is to just walk away. That might work for a girl, but you know what it does for a boy? Years and years of teasing. Unfortunately you go through school with mostly the same group of people until you graduate high school, assuming you don't move. It took until well into adulthood for me to really understand that I was raised according to a bizarre ideology. God, if only somebody had taught me when I was young that bullies will mostly back down when stood up to, or that bruises and even broken bones heal but shame never does, and that even if you get your ass kicked, you'll be respected by everybody. Men teach these things, not women. And not feminized men, at least in many cases. And I put up with a lot of teasing also from male family members at holiday get-togethers for my long hair and the way my mom dressed me (it wasn't completely gender-free or anything, but close enough to get me mocked). And for my childhood and adolescence and a few years beyond I just believed my mom, that we were living the 'right' way. and that they were all just stupid old-fashioned barbarians. I even felt proud about it. But later in life I came to realize it was actually the source of a lot of my problems.

But of course you can't go back and change things. And while I would like to make a stand for a child's right to be raised in a more positive way, I realize like I said that even a nuclear family doesn't ensure that - no kids have rights. They can't choose who their family is, whether they get circumcised or not, what religion they'll be brought up in etc. They just have to try to survive childhood and hope to come out of it relatively (no pun intended) unscathed. And of course I guess a kid being raised by a same-sex couple is probably better than never getting adopted at all and becoming a ward of the state, in and out of foster homes.

So in other words, that was an example of poor parenting and hippie dogma. A single-parent household wasn't the problem, feminism wasn't the problem, you're Mom just didn't know what she was doing and you didn't find your own way until much later in your life.

As for masculinity being hard to teach/learn, I disagree; I don't think it's difficult at all to be a man. Develop a certain strength of character, don't compromise on a principal, don't be a punk, defend yourself and others when need be. Boom. It's as simple as that. For bonus points, throw in some superficial stuff like growing a beard or having a gravelly voice.

Originally Posted by GavinGill

It wasn't meant to contradict, just to clarify. You made it sound like homosexual sex makes you more disease-prone, when in fact it's just irresponsibility that makes you more susceptible to venereal disease (regardless of sexual orientation).

In other words, that fun fact you pointed out was of no real importance whatsoever.

No, you will never have a homosexual population that is not more susceptible to venereal disease, to think so would just be idiotic.

Originally Posted by BLUELINE976

It's just that the overwhelming majority of organizations dedicated to studying the effects of parenting and child development agree that homosexual parenting is just as good as heterosexual parenting. Your post about children "needing" separate, heterosexual male and female parents to develop properly or happily is at odds with scientific consensus.

Yea ok so first you come out saying you don't trust my sources, because they are biased to be against gays without even trying to prove the results can't be trusted. Then you pull up a completely biased study that lacked any sort of conclusion, which i had put in the time and effort to show you why it was. Now you are saying oh, the majority of people who are studying the effects are pro, so that obviously means they are right. No, its just that most of the people funding the research want gay marriage to be legal. I'll let you in on a little secret, they know its degenerate.