Thread: "Guns R Retarded" (split from pic discussion)

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE...PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

though I heard that it may be possible that the guns help just a little bit

Originally posted by Milf
lol awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww *
he wuvz his wittle gun

Aww, shit man, I couldn't resist....

ROFLMAO Joe! that's so funny

a well armed populace is the best defense against tyranny. sweet gun, sloth! That thing is totally wicked!

a gas powered gun! like a car?? damn! (sory no gun knowledge, from canada) and is it possible that you could...hook me up with a gun like that? I can't keep it muhfuckin real in the hood with just knives...you know how it is...

No, gas powered refers to the type of action. Otherwise, how the next bullet in the magazine gets loaded. Bolt action guns mean you have to ratchet back a lever to expell the used shell and load a new bullet. Lever actions (like the cheesy shotgun in that one Terminator movie) use a lever under/around the trigger to do it.
Gas powered guns use the gas created by the ignited powder to push back the action and load the next bullet. This makes them faster, and one of the best possible for fully automatic weapons, but it also tends to make them unreliable when compared to actions such as the bolt.

so, guys, are you interested in joining my gang?

Only if there is pie involved.

No no. Gas powered as in air.
When you shoot a round, the force of the blast creates pressure as GASses build up. That GAS pressure pushes the hammer back, and recocks the gun for the next bullet, making it an automatic weapon. . . Or something like that. All I really know how to do is take it apart, clean it, load it, and shoot it. Loading it is fun though. Just pop the bullets into the clip. Holds 50. Then, pop the clip in the bottom.

Guns aren't my thing. I'm a computer nerd. I party. I drink. I get high. I plant flowers. I play music. . .
Guns are just something that I had to have one of, so I knew it had to be a good one.

-sloth

oh, there is. And quite a variety at that.. apple, pizza, and pootie tang.

Heh, I'd argue with you about the whole "had to be a good one" thing. M-16A2's aren't my thing. If you're military and storming a building or patrolling a street, sure. But then, you'd need one with the three-shot burst option, which I'm mostly sure you can't get in a civilian model. But that's for a military weapon-not a civilian one. And I'd prefer an HK-MP5 for most military ops-it drops some piercing power, but it's much more reliable and accurate, plus more maneuverable. And the MP5SD series is unrivaled for covert and anti-terror ops.

Actually...
If you look real closely, I am wearing military BDUs in that pic. This is a military M16, with the 3 round burst. Don't ask how I got it though.

Edit: What I was trying to say, originally, on this thread, was that I am rash, and quick to jump to conclusions. I assumed that someone 'up there' was insulting me with the title of the forum, but the REALITY is, that I'm just dumb.
LOL
Sorry I lashed out, Bluegirl. You're still my hero.

*bats eyelashes* *makes kissyfaces*

-embarrassed sloth

actually I titled it that when I split it from the lounge in attempts at mocking Liam, not you

such a sensitive wittle slothypoooooooooo

So you actually got a military version? I don't even want to know at this point.


And lol at the kissy faces.

Guns are retarded[/b]

This is an amazing discovery that a gun has capability of retardation.
I always thought that was set aside for the ignorant idiots who use them in a malicious manner.

Here all this time I thought that a gun was an inanimate object.

Originally Posted by Liam

Guns are retarded
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I don't believe their is any record of a guns intelligence. No SAT scores, educational reviews, accolades...nothing that I can find.

Guns serve just as much a purpose as any other weapon. I'm a blade man, myself, but I understand and appreciate the concept behind guns. It is the excessive use and the "this is the only thing that stands between my life and death, so I'm going to use it whenever I'm feel threatened! Tresspassers, BEWARE!!" mentality that is retarded.

Quite a compelling argument

Howetzer

a blade man Oneironaut? Have you ever stabbed anyone (I mean in complete self defense of course...) I have carried a blade...but I doubt i could have cut anyone...too chickenshit really. It must be kinda terrible to feel a knife slide through somones flesh...and the look on their face...

Originally Posted by ;289601

a blade man Oneironaut? Have you ever stabbed anyone (I mean in complete self defense of course...) I have carried a blade...but I doubt i could have cut anyone...too chickenshit really. It must be kinda terrible to feel a knife slide through somones flesh...and the look on their face...
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Fortunately I've never been in a position to where I've had to stab anyone. (knock on wood) I've been to the point where I've had to whip out a knife, but never had to use it. You'd be surprised at how fast someone's aggression drops if you pull a large blade on them. Hah.
But I simply have much more respect for blades over firearms. I know what you mean about the distaste for the feeling of cutting someone, though. I'm not the kind of guy that enjoys the thought of harming anyone, whether it be by a blade or my fists, but I'm a firm believer in self-defense, and if it comes to that I can honestly say I'd be at the point where what must be done, must be done.
My respect though comes in that you have much more control over the damage you do to someone with a blade. A situation that could be defused with no more than a flesh-wound could easily end up as irreparable (sp?) damage, if you were to use a gun. You have no problem with stray bullets finding their way to some unsuspecting innocent bystander, if your aim is off, by using a blade, and of course there is my simple fascination with closed-in combat that's behind my love for blades, in the first place.
I feel the same way about using knives as I do about using guns though, when it comes down to necessity: If it comes down to it, I'm level-headed enough to know when I have no other choice. I'm not going for anyone's jugular or anything like that, but I'm drawn in by the fact that it takes some level of skill and discipline to take on a challenger with a knife (especially when they've got something like a baseball bat,) but any 11 year old can pick up a gun and go on a killing spree.

..yah thats right even I could stand 15ft away, shoot someone, and not even look back...
yah selfdefense is cool...my city is pretty safe though I can walk in any part of my city at any time and not get jumped. theres been like 1 mureder here in the last 5 years (or more)...and only a couple stabbings.

the thought of being completely helpless if someone were to ever break into my home with a gun is pretty horrifying. thats why im going to keep a gun at my house whenever i do finally get my own place. i think going to prison to save your family's life is worth it, but in the state of texas, if you can prove your life or your family's life was at risk during an invasion on your property, you can legally kill the burglar. of course i wont try to kill him and probably couldnt intentionally, but i would make sure to stop him in his tracks.

banning guns doesnt make them go away, it only stops a law abiding citizen from protecting themselves. and of course, a well armed populace always deters tryanny. imagine if the jews in nazi germany all had assualt rifles, thats why they were banned from having any weapons.

Originally Posted by Tsen

No, gas powered refers to the type of action. Otherwise, how the next bullet in the magazine gets loaded. Bolt action guns mean you have to ratchet back a lever to expell the used shell and load a new bullet. Lever actions (like the cheesy shotgun in that one Terminator movie) use a lever under/around the trigger to do it.
Gas powered guns use the gas created by the ignited powder to push back the action and load the next bullet. This makes them faster, and one of the best possible for fully automatic weapons, but it also tends to make them unreliable when compared to actions such as the bolt.
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Another drawback on gas-operated actions is that it limits the possibilities of how one configures one's ammunition. With a bolt action one can very the size of the bullet from very small and light for a very high velocity, to a big fat slow and stable round, also varying the kind of propellant one uses. Between the size of the bullet and the find of propellant one uses, one can generate either low barrel pressures or maximum pressures. The bolt action doesn't care. But Gas Operated Actions must be restricted to a narrower band of acceptable pressures -- pressure too low and the action will not feed, but if the pressure is too excessive then the action might slam out of time, kick the round awkwardly into jamming, or even just blow apart.

Ofcourse, with proper engineering the inaccuracies of a gas operated action can be minimized. Both a bolt action and a gas operated gun can be helped by a heavier barrel weight, causing less reciprocal action as the bullet exits, you know, with the "equal and opposite reaction" -- a heavier barrel better cancels against the weight and velocity of the bullet. But the particular problem with Gas Operation comes from the movement of the gas piston into the gas operated bolt -- all that stuff shifting the balance of the gun while the bullet is still travelling down the barrel. However, if the gun is built so that the gas port hole in the barrel is very close to end of the barrel, then the bullet will be exited by the time that anything begins to slam around. Of course, the further out the gas port hole in the barrel, the slower the action is.

Of course, some automatic guns are not Gas Operated -- having ports, tubes, pistons and gas operated bolts. Some are simple "blow back". The recoil of the blast simply kicks back the bolt. Now THAT is inaccurate. The Bullet is going one wat and the bolt is going the other, having only a spring to slow it down. They jump around like crazy.