Thread: Generating Messages and Numerical Word-Values

060822
Inside the workings of intelligence
Superposition and entanglement

SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
Yes, I Hear You - Golden nugget of truth - The Divine Darkness - For The Purpose Of... - Shine Your Light - Precise definitions of strategies - ...and the way forward, eyes wide open - Lucifer - Those internal things which make one shine - The belief in a mindless Planet/Universe creates the hard problem of consciousness by refusing to deal with said problem using the mind as the very instrument in order to do so. - Integrate

AP= https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77938#p1077938 [Re: The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife] - Exactly

[The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife - Exactly = 573]

[573]
[Reality is adapted through the individual adjusting to it.
“Fear is a natural reaction to moving closer to the truth.”]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

04:39 [= 222 ] [Snap Out Of It Already!
The House of Culture
The Mother and The Father
Start where you are
The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self]

GM: Cycles
The Christchurch EQ
Any Other Way How shallow is the reach of YHWH
Invite The Bee To Land
Victim/Vampire Energy Exchange
Walk The Talk In Love
Marriage
Deranged
The Ancient Grey Entity
Insanity
We Could
Sanctified love’s joyful lust with ever movement Every thrust and every loss of sexual tension
Humble Dreamer
Hearing External Voices In Your Head
“If you're looking for something more in life, you're likely to find it in something less.”
Anyhoo
Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=baN48zhFGzY

William: From the link;

WINGMAKERS JAMES INTERVIEW 2013
Aug 26, 2015 His first published creation was WingMakers.com, which established James as a multidimensional storyteller who is focused on sharing deep, original perspectives to the conversations of spirituality, cosmology, extraterrestrial life, myth and the importance of the heart in one's personal mission.
Random time-place select: 23:52 ["Spiritual Activism"]

GM:The future is not crystal clear - we choose the future now and here
"You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine"
"Exact Science
In The Light Of The Truth"

William: Exact Science In The Light Of The Truth = 364
The debate between theists and atheists = 364
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually...= 364

GM: The deranged can come about...become arranged.
Conception
Read/Book/Story
Gateway
"Good on you mate
Learn Well"

William: Good on you mate Learn Well = 272
[272]
The dawning of The Universe
It is neither good nor evil
A time prior to human beings

GM: Mathematical Problems
Spiritual Connection
A Black Hole
[Either Authored or Orphaned]
Hide This
All Because I Had To Ask
"Because we are effectively trapped in our individuate states, yet nature Herself makes it that we cannot survive independently of each other, this apparent contradiction feeds those fires of discontentment."
"Narrow
Closed Loop Production"

William: Narrow Closed Loop Production = 340
As to call light the soul shall sing = 340
To Comprehend Correctly Mind Games = 340

GM: A dish fit for the gods
[Incantation
Anti Christ
Like stubbing ones minimus]
"Honest attempts at scrubbing up
Interesting
Sovereignty
In an environment which is able to perceive this."

William: Honest attempts at scrubbing up Interesting Sovereignty In an environment which is able to perceive this = 1107
one one zero seven = 197
Selfless attitude
Your Thoughts
Roller Coaster Ride
Breathe In Breathe Out
The sound of a Ghost
Genetic information
That is the truth.
Don't forget The Mind

GM: Intention
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87235#p1087235
Steady as She goes...
Read On

William: Indeed - there is follow-through from that link - post #69...

GM: It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84254#p1084254 [throwing pooh/calling "woo"]
What is 'The Soul' and is it Immortal
Teachings
Voice/Message/Communication
The Serpent
Joining
Is there any such thing as 'Objective Morality'
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75267#p1075267

William: From the link;

William: I would rather be a robot with a mind of its own, and deal with the fact of being on this planet forever as an opportunity to lay aside that which is unnecessary and perhaps even use these humans who still cling to the old good, to my advantage by having them live the way they believe is good while they enjoy the paradise I built for them while they slept.

GM: Z2+C [Mandelbrot set - Wikipedia]
"There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
Although there are opposite sides to spectra, all elements combined form a whole"
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81283#p1081283

William: Some folk are scant with their explanations re their beliefs - not wanting to be pinned down on anything specific...

GM: Hoo haha the laughing owl
The places that scare you
Archangel Metatron
Visions
The Cave of Origins
Behind The Veil

William: Yes - the fear of moving through places which one is unfamiliar with...yet that is exactly the predicament this universe offers us...and aspects of it become familiar to the point where we are satisfied with belief and see no reason as to why we should question said belief...

05:01 [Attention to Detail]

06:13 [The Way of the Shaman]

William: I think that the idea of the cave has to do with an internal mapping re our Subconscious Archetypes and "dealing with the demons" and how it is likely bests to do so now, while the opportunity presents itself to do so - rather than having to face these things in the next phase...understanding the Self in full capacity - shining a light into the dark corners of ones psyche and dealing with that which we inherit from ancestral regions...Jesus did this [as the story tells] when he weakened his body and walked the path of the Sharman to face his demon...

GM: Chakra
Equity
Feature
I AM WE ARE
Anthropos Quaternio [is a combining form used like a prefix meaning “human.” It is often used in scientific and other technical terms, including in the social sciences. Anthropo- comes from the Greek ánthrōpos, meaning “human being” or “man.”
Quaternio A group or set of four people or things.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87668#p1087668

William: From the link;

Theophile: Very similar logics at play for sure. But I daresay this version sounds much colder than the biblical narrative, with terms like 'Nature' (versus an interpersonal God), 'survival' (versus a vision of the heavens and the earth flourishing with life), and 'programming' (versus free and responsible human beings). I suppose I like a story that gives more of the warm and fuzzies

William: Yes. This is an off-shoot of the experience of Hugs [specifically a Mothers] and it would be incorrect to abandon that warm fuzzy as some kind of unnecessary attempt to superimpose something false upon something real.

While I may not wonder re the idea that we exist within a creation, I do - naturally enough - have to wonder at the state of the mind which thought up this monstrosity;



The image typifies the Planet Earth experience in general...the hidden Gems are coming through the Human experience of it, which isn't so much a monster as it is a lost soul in need of a Mothers Hug.

Hence the projection out onto the Reality being Experienced.

Theophile: Your last point is an interesting one though on the acceptability of death because death is not the end. It's an argument I've wanted to deploy myself at times, since death and destruction takes on a whole new meaning once you believe in life and the resurrection. It changes the calculus entirely, even though it may be hard to swallow, or even more difficult to do. But it gives more reason to why Abraham would sacrifice Isaac for instance (or why God would ask for it). Or why Jesus would walk the cross.

What are such things when we have faith and hope in life?

William: Yes that is the dressing of mythology over the reality being experienced.

It takes shape through many guises which can - with a passing glance - appear to be different, but closer inspection reveals there is no difference at all.

I went to a funeral yesterday in support of my wife at the loss of Her Mother.

There was no warm fuzzy in viewing the suffering demise of The Mother, nor Her cadaver - which lay cold and waxen but those too are outward appearances to which we have no direct way of knowing what She was going through consciously...once She slipped into the realm of unconsciousness...

The Funeral Service was performed at a Roman Catholic Basilica, so I could see first hand the surrounds of imagery meant to entice the warm fuzzies and give everyone a sense of ... being embraced ... by something large and loving...

While we who walk through life hereabouts all head towards our experience of bodily deaths, we are best not to run away from it screaming...might as well use our time here to prepare for that inevitable.

Christ IS the hope that death is not the end of conscious experience...and that said continued experience is a happier one than the previous monstrosity.

So we diligently pick the fruit we enjoy the most, which sorts folk into various categories in preparation for the inevitable...and the living support the living in their understanding that life might be all that there ever can be and is.

I myself prefer the thrill of seeing Mother Earth as She truly is - some demonic-like entity who has been manifesting Her particular projections out into that which She is awakening to - slowly and surely... and in the process, I hope to witness therein a transformation of a demon-like entity into a god-like entity...and be a part of that rather than dressing it up n too much fluff that I distort things far too impractically.

GM: The Fog Is Lifting
Open your chakras
Researching


06:26 [ Soul Group Energies
Trust the process
Attitude of gratitude
The Father - in The Mother.
Deliberate and important]

Question: If the universe had been fine tuned just to enable us to exist, then what evidence for that could we expect to see? How would observations differ from what we actually do observe?

An Answer: The same as if it were fine tuned for sponges. The point is, there is no need to suppose a guiding, designing force. There is no need to suppose a 'god.' There is nothing to compel the conclusion it was designed by unicorns or anything else. It is a complete non issue invented by apologists out of nothing, just to fit the desire in a debate to claim 'god did it.' There is no need for the absurdly anthropocentric argument that it was all done for us. We are as important to the universe as bacteria and quarks. In other words not important at all. It is absurd to even ask the question. The universe just is and we are part of it, just like kittens, black mambas, SARS viruses and black holes.
We may not like where honesty, the search for truth, and Occam's Razor takes us, but there is no purpose to the universe or us, except what we wish to make for ourselves. {SOURCE}


070822
The information content of nature

SCLx16 + select last LE per shuffle
Failure - Spiritual bypassing - Epoch - Inappropriate Costume - Ever-changing - "Life is scary then you die of it"... is that really living? - The Spirit of The Planet - Rarified - Arms Crossed The Solar System - Spiritual practice - Asking Politely - From the link - The Digital Angel - "Eventually one can cease doing the tests and accept the results." - Plus - Group Hallucination

William: This say's to me "When involved in the specific OOBE of the physical universe, calm down, accept the ride is safe and sure and remain respectfully brave in the face of it. The Earth Entity Consciousness has been doing this for Epochs...She is well equipped to keep one safe and sure.

AP= Be-Live Examine
[Be-Live Examine = 126]

[126]
[Interactive
The Body of God
Returning
Completely
Desperation
All That We Are.
Not Wrong
Reflections
Shift Focus
Important
Mother of God
Rotundum
Truthful
Lock the door
Numinous [having a strong religious or spiritual quality; indicating or suggesting the presence of a divinity.]
Learn By Doing
Be-Live Examine]

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

07:32 [Central Intelligence Agency]

William: This not only applies to the C.I.A. in the real-world - which I was just thinking about as in "If the CIA are not constantly monitoring my computer, they are missing out on some major information"...but also the that "inner empire" of the human psyche ... the overlord of the underworld re the realm of the individual human subconscious ... connect with that central intelligence agency and learn a thing or two...
[07:45] [You are the universe]

[07:54] [How stories are created...]

GM: Belief Helps Cause Separation
"Is it possible that the infinitesimal super hot object preceding the Big Bang, didn't in fact contain the vastness of the matter within our universe but rather, was the event in which the energy from the blast resulted in the formation of Galaxies and everything else which we call "The Universe" from the field of inert material which already existed as 'space'? Matter + Energy + Space = Time."
"True happiness
Awake
Be here now"

William: True happiness Awake Be here now = 307
[307]
The vessel of argument sinks
Over days of forgotten tales
Into a time that we've all seen on
Simulated for the purpose of?
Within ones grasp of influence
True happiness Awake Be here now


GM: Against the grain
Beaming Out Beaming In

William: Against the grain Beaming Out Beaming In = 334
[334]
You Know or You Don't know
The Smallest Spark can start a fire
I can't imagine it in my head visually
Couldn’t we do something about it...

GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekH2gnqPY8

William: From the link [random time 41:25]

A Shocking Truth For Humanity - Forbidden History | Paul Wallis & Matt LaCroix
[560,233 views Premiered Apr 21, 2022 ]
There is an ancient story.. one that exists far beyond what we are told. A re-occurring theme in many ancient cultures and narratives all over the world. If this is indeed true, what does it mean for humanity?

GM: "Positive self-talk
Joy
Left -brain Right brain Whole brain"

William: Positive self-talk Joy Left -brain Right brain Whole brain = 551
Well even the most ugly of us have a Father. [in house joke] = 551

GM: Nihilism
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...930074#p930074

William:

In that, such come to the realization that what Jesus was talking about requires human beings themselves build the 'kingdom of GOD' over the face of the Earth and live as citizens of that system of parity.

I am myself unconvinced that promises attributed to Jesus coming back to do the job for 'the worthy' are genuine anyway. I can see how the doctrine is attractive, but wonder why Jesus would bother doing something FOR us which we are more than capable of building for ourselves, if we wanted it...and in that, stopped letting the 'man' pull the wool over our sheepish eyes by forsaking those systems for a better system.

GM: Please place this on your ComList
"Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence
Presumed outcome"

William: Done. Also;
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence Presumed outcome = 789
*Why it is wrong is that it does not serve reality to see it as disorderly = 789
{*That was not on my ComList so added it, too.}

GM: Secret Organizations
A lot of weird things have been happening...
The conversation is very informative.

William: re the C.I.A... yep...

GM: Intrinsic motivation
When The Opportunity Presents Itself To Do So...
"Well even the most ugly of us have a Father. [in house joke]"

William: Ah...yes...just what was at the heart of my inner empire at the moment the visitation occurred and its still-felt consequence all these decades after.
In some way, the comment that came out of my mouth was a brazen attempt at being brave by inserting a sense of humor into the mix...when all else fails..."laugh", even if a tad nervously...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83142#p1083142
Counterfactual
Who Am I
Barbarous
Ideomotor Effect and the Subconscious. - International Skeptics Forum

William: From the link;

William: "Observing people I see the Mind of the Cosmos struggling to be heard above the fray...it appears to want to be heard through that Human medium, but that medium resists hearing, except what it wants to hear for its own individual agenda, rather than recognizing the overall."

GM: "We Can Do Magic!
What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness"

William: We Can Do Magic! What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness = 702
Seven Zero Two = 187
[187]
Crop formations
Under question
In William’s Room
Whatever you do
Through Others
The Wider Reality
Aye...A name I call myself.
Synchronicity
Went To The Devil
Mirror-Mirror
In Out and All About


GM: Atheist mischief making;
"The Alien Disc crop circle
Supernatural"

William: "The Alien Disc crop circle Supernatural" = 377
[377]
Preparation is willingness to change
Something does not come from nothing.
The more the merrier - as the saying goes.
Ours the story shall we carry on


GM: I Know William
The Body of God
Put That Fire Out...
...Of this Message Generating Process.
Induce
Research into the Phenomenology of the Self

William: Of this Message Generating Process. Induce Research into the Phenomenology of the Self = 825
Eight Two Five =149
[149]
The meaning of life
Water the garden
Milky Mother
Sophistry
Querulous
Idiosyncratic
A temporary façade
Act the giddy goat
Illumination
Self-Reflection
Labyrinthus
Known/Revealed
Bond Wild freedom
That reminds me

GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwc_EGDdWgo

William: From the link;

If Christianity isn’t true, why is it the LARGEST religion?
49,165 views Apr 28, 2018

HOW DID CHRISTIANITY grow to become the LARGEST religion? by Rabbi Michael Skobac, Education Director for Jews for Judaism.

JEWS FOR JUDAISM is an international organization dedicated to countering the multi-million dollar efforts of Christian missionary groups that target Jews, the impact of cults and eastern religions, and the growing rate of intermarriage that is devastating the Jewish community. JEWS FOR JUDAISM achieves its goal through FREE educational programs, materials and counseling services that connect Jewish people to the spiritual depth, beauty and wisdom of Judaism and keeps Jews Jewish.

GM: Equity
People Don't Like To Be Judged
Now isn't the time for tears
Grounding
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81375#p1081375

William: From the link;

Very well.

(I see a message forming)

Betterment...
Lost beings...
Surrender...
Unnatural...
Look inward...
Naked truth...
Inner Critic...
Epitomized...
Very well...

GM: "Superposition
Being aware of Human Control Dramas"

William: Superposition - Being aware of Human Control Dramas = 512
Five One Two = 134
[134]
The human brain
The game of Chess
The tree of life
Information
Arms crossed
Breakthrough
Incorporate
The Digital Angel
Insignificant
Encounters
To Accomplish
Do a Word Search
One Nine Two
Homo Sapiens
The middle-class
Unprecedented
Real is better
Pollution
The Ghost Agenda
Five One Two

GM: A Pinch of Salt
"Longing
Trust
Persevere
Living in alignment"
William: Longing Trust Persevere Living in alignment = 480
The relationship between energy and information = 480

GM: Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
The Freedom Of Friendship
We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
Stuff Happens
What The Gods See
Rainstorm
The Sun
The Alphabet
https://wizardforums.com/threads/wil...647/post-14193
Productive
This
Besides
Where are we getting our news from?
Now We Are Getting Somewhere
They is what they is.
It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed
Courageous
The Vast UICDevice
Finishing What Was Started
Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
Transform
Fire
We're two opinions deep before we can even analyze the moral question.
Try Gateway
The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?
IQ
Burgeoning
Seductive
What we call the experience of reality
Shamanic
Failure Wish
Big Gaps In Logic
Unknown/Hidden/Occult
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence.

Incantation
Spacetime is doomed
Sea
Unite humanity with a living new language
Transition
Living our forefather's conflict
GOD is not an elitist.
Virtues
Vehicle
Extreme
Higher Self Dream Guide
Love Heart
Raise your frequency
Bandages of The Beast
A knight in shining armour Manipulation
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
Metamorphosis
The practice of vipassana
The Squeeze
Cease to exist
Final Destination
Science Projects
The Screen
Most folk need moderating.
The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.
08:47 [Secret Organizations]

Continued...
11:07 [Genetic information]

GM: "Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
The Freedom Of Friendship"

William: Everything is The Expression Of The Creator [The Freedom Of Friendship] = 700
Consciousness itself is fundamental to all our virtual realities = 700

GM:We know not what we are because what we think we are gets in the way of it all
Stuff Happens
What The Gods See
Rainstorm
The Sun
The Alphabet
https://wizardforums.com/threads/willia ... post-14193

William: From the link;

8Lou1: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.

GM:"Productive
This
Besides
Where are we getting our news from?"

William:Productive This Besides Where are we getting our news from? = 612
Six One Two = 144
[144]
Textnum code
Inspiration
Real friendship
Rationality
Strange Desire
Expression
Astral Pulse
Serendipity
Ten Insights
Look Closely
Tremulous [shaking or quivering slightly. timid; nervous.]
Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
Multiverse
That's a good one
Up to scratch
Transponder [a device for receiving a radio signal and automatically transmitting a different signal.]
Six One Two


GM:Now We Are Getting Somewhere
They is what they is.
It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something existed
Courageous
"The Vast UICDevice
Finishing What Was Started"

William:The Vast UICDevice Finishing What Was Started = 453
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden
Universal Intelligence Communications Device
It was at the time - still a work in progress.


GM:Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal
Transform
Fire
We're two opinions deep before we can even analyze the moral question.
[Try Gateway
"The picture unfolds like silk in a loom Silhouetted by Diane are the witch and the broom If she is the bride - who is the groom?"
IQ]

William: Try Gateway IQ = 171
When Done Say “Done”
Changing The Rules
Another Mind Open
Source Reality
The human interface
Fireside Metaphor
Mainstream Science
Go with the Flow
Respect others
True happiness
Inner Strength


GM:Burgeoning [beginning to grow or increase rapidly; flourishing.]
"Seductive
What we call the experience of reality"

William:Seductive What we call the experience of reality = 464
"We need your unique and original perspective." = 464
"Consciousness" = "Zero", mathematically speaking. = 464

GM:Shamanic
Failure Wish
Big Gaps In Logic
Unknown/Hidden/Occult
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
The relationship between sound and formation re The Universe's existence.
Image
Incantation
Spacetime is doomed
Sea
Unite humanity with a living new language
Transition
Living our forefather's conflict
GOD is not an elitist.
Virtues
Vehicle
Extreme

William: Virtues Vehicle Extreme = 268
How to Bruise a Ghost Plan = 268

GM:"Higher Self Dream Guide
Love Heart
Raise your frequency"

William: Higher Self Dream Guide Love Heart Raise your frequency = 535
Not in it’s wholeness – but certainly in its parts… = 535

GM:Bandages of The Beast
A knight in shining armour Manipulation
Create that path and engineer a metamorphosis.
"Metamorphosis
The practice of vipassana"

William: Metamorphosis The practice of vipassana = 402
[402]
It is a path already forged, ahead of human arrival
Your Dream – Alien faces projected in the sky
Instructions on what to do with data

Vipassana is an ancient mindfulness meditation technique. It involves observing your thoughts and emotions as they are, without judging or dwelling on them.

GM:The Squeeze
Cease to exist
Final Destination
"Science Projects
The Screen"
Most folk need moderating.
The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.

William:Science Projects The Screen = 261
Universal Belief System = 261

11:53 [Interesting data
Centre of learning
The Healing Power
"Supernatural"
Enflame Emotions
Science of Truth
Tetragrammaton
Self-compassion
It is what it is
Personal freedom
One Eighty Two]

William: My point was that we as humans don't know. My argument isn't irrational when taken in context. I explained that in my post. I did not say that we were humans before humans existed. I was simply saying that we may have created the whole thing in order to then play in it. That is why I wrote;
...through such theories as emergence and by discarding the notion that we exist within a creation which [as another type of Consciousness] we ourselves could have created for purpose, as a complex simulation we could then enter into and experience as a reality and shape the raw materials accordingly.
The problem with mine-quoting is that when one does this - quoting the other out of context - one then argues against something other than what was actually stated, as you are doing. This is what is referred to as creating a straw man.

Diogenes: I honestly do not understand your complaint. You wrote:

I don't see that the implication is that the universe was designed for 'us' as in 'human beings' but rather, for Consciousness to experience the universe through a huge variety of forms, which the universe provides.

We may even have been the one(s) who designed the universe for that purpose. It remains an unknown but considering we are the only known specie of our type [human] and we have progressed through various epochs - all of which could be seen to be fine-tuning us in relation to the universe we are experiencing and - through science - we are slowly understanding and adapting.

Diogenes: Whether or not you actually meant what you wrote, "We may even have been the one(s) who designed the universe for that purpose," or whether you meant consciousness in general, I see little difference. When something is "an unknown" why posit a god or other magical source and assume 'purpose'?

A central problem with the 'fine tuned universe' argument is its inherent assumption of a designer. This is the same assumption underlying the notion that there must be a purpose or 'meaning' to the universe. When one assumes the universe has meaning or purpose, one has already assumed there is a god behind it all.

William: It has not been established that consciousness [of any sort] has to be regarded as 'supernatural' or 'magic' and the like.

Until it is established either way, The Subject remains on the table of discussion re The Question, "Do we exist within a creation?"
"Assumption of a designer" is equal to "assumption of no designer" re The Question and possible answers. One is on the table, so naturally, the other too.

Diogenes: Tho' the exact mechanism remains a mystery it is easily explained in general by the 100 billion or more neurons in the human brain and the 100 trillion or more synaptic connections.

William: Your focus is on the human brain alone. It has not been established that consciousness only resides in and works through the human brain.

Nor did your post address my own.

I am forced to assume the position of "we don't know either way" re The Question "Do we exist within a creation?", rather than assume one way or the other, thus - from my position, The Subject remains on the table.

Diogenes: Right. I suppose you are free to think it comes from the feet, the heart or the stomach... or from some magical unknown 'god.' Whatever mystical mumbo jumbo you want to suppose, but I am tired of trying to use logic and science to explain things to you, or to address your irrelevant questions.
____________________

080822
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...

SCLx9 + select last LE per shuffle
It gives rise to a lot of speculative mythology unsuccessfully attempting to make the dots all connect. - Large Elemental Powers - Temporary - Always Extraterrestrial - Betterment - We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it. - Here-and-now - Pyramid - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75874#p1075874 -

From the link;

Indeed - The Book tells us exactly who is YHWH and what we are in relation to that.

The mystery is in how each personality responds to that - as to whether they serve the Dark side of YHWH or the Light side of YHWH or relinquish the right to either side of YHWH by accepting the whole of YHWH.

AP= https://debatingchristianity.com/for...80217#p1080217
Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind
[Communicating with Consciousness - The Nature of The Mind = 583]

[583]
The formless tone of equality; the bypass of limitation

William: From the link;

Rose: Why would anyone wish to do that?

Is it through grief with attendant emotions? In which case it is understandable but irrational.

Or is it idle curiosity without reason? Which explains the showmanship of mediums, an entertainment. Mainly a con in my view. Think of people such as James Randi who debunked many an unfortunate con artist.

To my mind it is unhealthy and dangerous to delve in matters that promise to be detrimental. I see no good coming from it.

The Bible warns us to have no connection with mediums and such, I believe the Bible is giving excellent advice. Leave well alone that which is a natural necessary process. We live, we must die. Acceptance is the only real peace. Even if you could communicate with those gone, what good could it do?

William: "Contacting The Dead" - "Communication with the dead"
The pattern seems to be -
1: The Ancients were not aware at first that when one dies, that is the end of oneself. Thus they believed that they could communicate with those who had died.
2: Since it appeared to be the case that the mediums were talking to something intelligent, it was determined that the only invisible intelligence one should commune with was GOD - specifically the God of the Israelites who happened to use mediums...called "Prophets".
3: Later, this idea developed into belief that when people died they stayed dead, therefore - [apart from GOD] any invisible intelligence was designated "demonic" unless it stated that it believed Jesus was GODs Medium.

RSP = SCLx1 B&E + P&P + N2N + LE Inputs New [LEIN]

06:24 [The Ghost is acknowledged]


GM: The evidence points to the universe as not being an accident of mindless happenstance, but rather, the universe is a purposeful mindful event.
"The Supernatural and the Bible
Delineating [describe or portray (something) precisely.]
Quantum"

William: Honest attempts at scrubbing up Interesting = 488
The Supernatural and the Bible Delineating Quantum = 488

GM: "Taking root
Looking After Poor People"

William: How do we get all of these GMs on the same page? = 396
Taking root Looking After Poor People = 396

GM: Dilatory [slow to act. intended to cause delay.]
"Astral
As busy as a bee"

William: Astral As busy as a bee = 191
[191]
The Nature of Angels
Cleaning Up The Mess
The devil you say
Getting off the hook
The One We Cannot See
Living in Alignment
Getting unstuck
Personal growth
A Game Rule was broken
...next level stuff...
Astral As busy as a bee


GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4jHDvNB80

William: Death Is Not the End = 171
[171]
When Done Say “Done”
Suppression
Changing The Rules
Another Mind Open
Source Reality
The human interface
Three-dimensional
Fireside Metaphor
Mainstream Science
Go with the Flow
Respect others
True happiness
Inner Strength
Try Gateway IQ
Death Is Not the End

GM: All The Same
The conscious mind of the individual is heavily influenced by the genetic mind
The ride is wild
The Mind is The Invisible Garage Dragon
The Mandela Effect
"Haha Joke We Win"
Elysian [paradise reserved for the heroes immortalized by the gods.]
Anunnaki
"Vortex
Television"


William: Vortex Television = 234
[234]
Try Different Methods
That’s the way I fire up
The hologram of deception
The Mainstream Program
The Ghost is acknowledged
The Mother is his Muse...
The Hounds of Judgement
Vortex Television

GM: "Yours
It is always a warm fuzzy"

William: Yours It is always a warm fuzzy = 396
[396]
How do we get all of these GMs on the same page?
Taking root Looking After Poor People
Yours It is always a warm fuzzy

I recently had this conversation;
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87668#p1087668

From the link;

Theophile: Very similar logics at play for sure. But I daresay this version sounds much colder than the biblical narrative, with terms like 'Nature' (versus an interpersonal God), 'survival' (versus a vision of the heavens and the earth flourishing with life), and 'programming' (versus free and responsible human beings). I suppose I like a story that gives more of the warm and fuzzies

William: Yes. This is an off-shoot of the experience of Hugs [specifically a Mothers] and it would be incorrect to abandon that warm fuzzy as some kind of unnecessary attempt to superimpose something false upon something real.

While I may not wonder re the idea that we exist within a creation, I do - naturally enough - have to wonder at the state of the mind which thought up this monstrosity;



The image typifies the Planet Earth experience in general...the hidden Gems are coming through the Human experience of it, which isn't so much a monster as it is a lost soul in need of a Mothers Hug.

Hence the projection out onto the Reality being Experienced.

GM: If You Must Believe - Believe This:
Realise
Within Carry
Crafted
Don't Get Caught Up
*Wink*
A programmed reality that is not real
Integral Network
Thinking Allowed
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...79959#p1079959

William: From the Link;

Diogenes: Because we actually ARE, and are not God, therefore this impossibly omniscient/omnipontent God can not exist.

William: It appears that here, you are relying upon an image of GOD which we can agree comes through the particular culture you and I came through experience of.

I see also that you have included the factor of all-powerfulness too.

Critique of this image has merit, but no merit if the critique is simply focused on GOD not existing.

GM: Brilliant
Overwhelming
I would say...
With
Free-spirit
A Great Answer!
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...37619#p1037619

William: From the link;

Re: The Three Biblical Interpretations About Afterlife
[3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.

GM: Pearl of wisdom

07:14 [The Nature of Reality]

JK&William:

JK: I'm still not seeing a way to refute your position. As I try to play out different scenarios, it seems as if I'm answering myself.

That last bit's an interesting bit itself.

I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.
_____________________________________________

090822
One Language Intelligent Network


SCLx11 + select last LE per shuffle
Opening Doors Easy To Find - In Detail - Source Intelligence - Narrative warfare - That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process. - International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages - Often sheltered from the storm - warm my body soul and spirit feeling alright. - Like Unto Ghidrah - many heads one beast... - Wife - International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin

AP= How stories are created... "In thinking more about that truly unknown thing called the sub or unconscious aspect of ourselves, I found myself thinking that we are to it, what our shadow is to us" [= 1975]

[One Nine Seven Five = 183]
[183]
Elemental Powers
Fling That Veil Aside
Test The Waters
The Gospel of Judas
The Hubble Telescope
Manifest Destiny
Planned obsolescence
Hydrogen and helium
Learn to trust
The brain as a receiver
Sister Saturn
Truthfulness
Transformation
Embracing your life
The problem of evil
Cosmic Pluralism
Children of The Light

RSP = SCLx1 Page 1 & Page 11 & Page 111]

05:36 [Ancient Grey Entity]
[Page 1]
GM: Interpretation is secondary to the process

Witch Woman of The Cat Realm

ComList
Leave a Trail

William: ComList Leave a Trail = 197
[197]
Selfless attitude
Quantum Jumping
Your Thoughts
Roller Coaster Ride
Making Up Stories
Breathe In Breathe Out
Genetic information
That is the truth.
The sound of a Ghost
Don't forget The Mind
Two Sixty Nine
A belly full of laughs.
Presence Telepathy
One One Zero Seven

GM: "I say this in terms of the generical idea of God rather than any particular religious idea of God."
Beckoning
[Folk get so hung up about the little stuff]
"You’ve been a rock - For so long now I can’t even count the years that you’ve been rolling Nothing can shock or bring you down There ain’t nothing you haven’t seen - Nothing you haven’t known"
While We All Wait....

William: "The little stuff" can sometimes appear to be large...What is Webb Telescope showing us when we enlarge The Small? That there seems to be an endless supple of it throughout The Big.
This reminds me of the discussion between Neil deGrasse Tyson and Richard Dawkins where Neil asks Richard about the ethics of science [37:00 - 41:39]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlfjzl-CFw
William: Neil's list of the repercussions when scientific knowledge is used incorrectly - stating that it was far more problematic in Richard's Science [biology] than in Neil's science [astrophysics] and Richard point's out an ethical problem re astrophysics which Neil had not listed.

GM: Descriptive
An Objective
Make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present
Working on that...
I see no solution to said problem coming from either theist or atheist positions.
Worth
The Trinity of Love
"Astral Pulse
Odd Radio Circles
A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen"

William: Astral Pulse Odd Radio Circles A Sturdy Place Within that which is unseen = 717
[717]
It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
That is because every day, I am adding to the data - and it is a slow and sure process.

GM: Go Within and Find That Place
Teach
Crown chakra
Consensus Realities
Points of Reference
'Developing a thick skin'
Kind
"Individual Actions
Proceed with causation, cautiously..."

William: The Wisdom of Foresight; "Go slow When One is Feeling Tired” = 561
Individual Actions Proceed with causation, cautiously... = 561


GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6lbwcCI8TA
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81622#p1081622
Expression Of Appreciation
Follow The Story-Line
Stone Age
[Page 11]
"Create Your Own Spirit Ship
[Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions.]"

William: The evidence supporting the likely existence of said mind, gives us no reason to compartmentalize it as 'magic' = 1071
Create Your Own Spirit Ship [Such reduces the opportunity of conflict re interrelation opinions. = 1071

GM: "Psychological events
Enlighten Discussion Forum
Training"

William: Psychological events Enlighten Discussion Forum Training = 621
[621]
Everyone: "In space nobody can hear you scream" Saturn: "Hold my beer"
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Behind The Scenery

GM: Encouraging Indication
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83804#p1083804

William: From the link;

William: The mind is even more inaccessible than we once thought the atom was. This is because the mind does not appear to be made up of matter, even that it appears that it might be emergent of matter.

The truth is, it might be. The truth is not that it is or it isn't.

GM: Constructor Theory
"Zero" must have to represent something which does exist but is largely unseen - and "Consciousness" fits that description.
"Childhood Nightmares
Expectant
Is There
A GOD in The Making"
Language
Keep me in The Loop
Evolutionary Game Theory
Waxing and waning.
https://sovereignintegral.org/paper/
The Feminine Face of God
God2
The Christchurch EQ
Dreamed Up By Yours Truly
Concern
Economic
It has yet to be demonstrated that nature is NOT the expression of a god.
Betterment
I am all ears to any rewording for clarification
In The Team Of The Collective
Dualism merely expresses two sides of the same coin
Gateway
Recognise
Deceiving Entities
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82688#p1082688

William: From the link;

As is the case with religion itself, if it was from a Cosmic mind, you'd expect it all to be the same. If it was from an evolved human instinct, you'd expect us all to do it but with sub -species variants. Which is what we seem to get.
What we get through Theism the same as what we get through some other culture.

Your intel is off as your premise would have to be that "Theists are fully connected to a Cosmic Mind", which would allow for the expectation that 'it would be all the same' and hasn't allowed/accounted for any misrepresentation and subsequent misrepresentation of a Cosmic Mind which might occur through forms of Theism.

Tread careful - it is a Mind Field...

GM: "Phantasma
Wise
Conscious"

William: Phantasma Wise Conscious = 267

[267]
The Need Determines the Value
It’s both a break-in and a break-out.
The Best way to access God is...
Intertextual References
Is OOBE like 'coming up for air'
Conscious Eats Experience
Available to all who seek this...
Self-development Mind’s Eye

GM: There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
Miracles
Self Doubt
[Page 111]

William: I understand Joey is correct. Engaging with ones thoughts [in ones own time and language] is how one connects with the things of consciousness...the depths therein...it certainly is engaging with one's "Demons" as much as with ones "Angels"... a reconciliation point being sought as a consequence...

GM: A reconciliation point being sought as a consequence... = 491
Invention is utilizing something discovered. = 491

William: Which is exactly what is occurring with the discovery of a means in which to help the process - the discovery of Message Generating...

GM: https://theagnosticforum.com/threads....344/post-1736

William: The "Natural-Neutral" position

GM: A simulation experienced within the brain is called a dream
The Respect You Give
If In Doubt Let It Sit
GameMakers
Dance
Extra evidence is provided
To make obscure, unclear, or unintelligible.
Duty Calls
The Crystal Clear Waters
Your Move
Enjoy Progress
Batten down the hatches
Divine Purpose
Recipe
As In
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73457#p1073457

William: From the link; [040422]

William: As far as the evidence goes, the idea we are currently within some type of Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation isn't so far fetched as to be off the table...

Seeds: I like what you're saying there, VVilliam, however, I'm not a fan of the word "Simulation" when it comes to the workings of the universe.

"Illusion," yes. But "Simulation," not so much.

A "Simulation" of what?

William: I have seen this complaint before seeds, and it caused me to pause and reflect if that is the correct word to be using.

That is why I call it a 'reality simulation' as it is simulating a reality which can be experienced as real.

More to the point, whatever is experiencing it as real has to be conscious, so the only real thing in the whole HERS are the consciousnesses which are experiencing it.

If any illusion is going on regarding that, it is the idea that consciousness is the illusion and the universe is the real thing, which is the basic tenet of emergent theory and the overall message supporters of that theory, preach....

GM: Animistic
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.

William: It would be a step in a better direction than the one humanity is currently projecting.
The shame we carry about being the human animal does have its reason for being, but we have to - as individuals - rise above the shame and understand the fuller picture - what was done was natural enough and can be forgiven in that context but without the forgiveness, there are only repetitive patterns of shame based expression into the shared reality.

GM: ~Ooky Spooky
Inner critic~

William: Ooky Spooky Inner critic = 289
[289]
The Suppression Matrix
This is how The Mind works...
Within that which is unseen...
Brother Wolf Sister Moon
Ooky Spooky Inner critic


GM: Intelligent Awareness
Realm of Remembrance
[The curating is done when I am taking my first baby steps and learning to say "dada" and "mama" and after uttering those sounds show -at least that I am able to do that - so the next level entry is made available to me, and I learn how to shape the sounds I can make, following codes which have been around since long before my own arrival on this planet, to what the data signifies, that is information I am interested in.]
Shallow
Copy
Seductive What we call the experience of reality
Unite humanity with a living new language
Be Free
Spirituality
The truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.
Fearlessness neutralizes fear
Golden nugget
[The Mark of The Beast
Three Dimension Printing]
Personal Participation With The One
Thel

William: Thel's Motto
"Does the Eagle know what is in the pit?
Or wilt thou go ask the Mole:
Can Wisdom be put in a silver rod?
Or Love in a golden bowl?"

GM: The non-Judgmental Algorithm
Small Steps
Your Own Individual Actions
Nurture
06:57 [Conscientiousness]

Chamber Of Self

From March GM.
Union
Chamber Of Self
Ghost In The Machine
__________________
From April GM.
Incorporate
Hacking through the subconsciousness
In The Spirit These Were Given
Chamber Of Self
Coming From QueenBee
Open Your Heart
Compass of Divine Insight
Communicating
____________
From May GM
William: My dreams are an experience and lately I have been aware of how these experiences are interactions with 'The Dream Team' ...

GM: Chamber Of Self
The Moment
Provenance [the place of origin or earliest known history of something. the beginning of something's existence; something's origin. ]
Adversary [one's opponent in a contest, conflict, or dispute.]
Persevere
Cultivate
Cleanliness
Self-acceptance
Universe
'The Dream Team'
______________
From July GM
GM: Evidence We Actively Collect
"The Enigma Code
Chamber Of Self"

William: The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self = 222, as do;
The House of Culture
The Mother and The Father
Start where you are
The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self

GM:Chamber Of Self
Emotional validation
And stuff like that

GM: Though the Serpent rules the Shadow
Liminal [relating to a transitional or initial stage of a process. occupying a position at, or on both sides of, a boundary or threshold.]


William: Like "Natural-Neutral" re theism and atheism...not "Agnostic" because that is a known subset of atheism...

GM: The Spirit of The Earth
Essentially, we are Gaia in Human Form...

William: Such is the nature of consciousness...

GM: Chamber Of Self
"And the wind will blow my tears away"

[Welcoming answer
The Internal Voice]

GM: Put yourself in your own shoes
Oneness of Wholeness
A Sturdy Place
Chamber Of Self
_____________

Definition of chamber
1: ROOM
especially : BEDROOM
2: a natural or artificial enclosed space or cavity
3a: a hall for the meetings of a deliberative, legislative, or judicial body
the senate chamber
b: a room where a judge transacts business —usually used in plural
c: the reception room of a person of rank or authority
4a: a legislative or judicial body
especially : either of the houses of a bicameral legislature
b: a voluntary board or council
5a: the part of the bore of a gun that holds the charge
b: a compartment in the cartridge cylinder of a revolver
_____________________________________________

100822
Deciding On the Best Course of Action

SCLx12 + select last LE per shuffle
The Tree of Life - Photograph - Universal Belief System - Scape - Your Higher Purpose - Journey - Like mindful nests with eggs in 'em - Anthropos Quaternio - Consciousness Interacts - Through Others - Consciousness

AP= Mystery Consensus Realities [=352]

[352]
[Is There Really Such a Thing as Random?
What constitutes a measurement?
Mystery Consensus Realities]


RSP = Pages 65 & 27 & 83

05:31 [Mapping Wholeness]
[Page 65]
GM: Some
Nature
How are we to react in relation to our choices?
https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/...111/nbfr.12603
See-Through
Inform
Umwelt Courageous [Umwelt - the world as it is experienced by a particular organism.]
To Be Sovereignty
Astral Teachers
The Trinity of Love are three things operating as One Thing
A type of 'leg-up' but no more or less than that
Answer
Communication with the Deeper Levels of Self

William: Yes. Through going within - to The Chamber of Self.

GM: Counsel
Recipe
You will overcome
Added Significance
Collective
How about that
Not
Perennial
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...77938#p1077938

William: From the link;

Mon May 16, 2022 12:42 pm
Compassionist: If God predestined the lives of humans, how can it be just for God to send some to heaven and some to hell?

William: Taking [3] into consideration;

[3] A "Person" is an eternal Spirit in human form and when the body dies, that Spirit immediately moves to the next phase and either knowingly or unknowingly creates for their self, their next experience, based upon a combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did in the previous phase.

William: your question can be answered that Justice is served and that it is not any Spirit [God] but ones self who 'sends' that self to the places that self experiences.

That is the short answer.

re the "combination of mainly what they believe, what their overall attitude is and what they did" and predestination, The game is created by Spirit Entities [the players] and is naturally complex.

The idea is for an Eternal Entity [EE] to enter the Human Avatar [HA] and become completely unaware of any prior existence. The HA provides the means in which this amnesia is made possible.

From that point on, a character forms and personality develops - none of which are reflective of the EE [game player]. The Character and Personality formed through the interaction, are purely fictional in relation to the EE, but have the potential to be 'made real', which is accomplished through Phases of experience, which include experiences of heavens and hells.

Heavens and Hells are part of the Game-Play experience.

GM: Psychic powers
That's Powerful!
Downfall
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81597#p1081597

William: From the link;

JK: Flowers don't have brains.

William: Yet they display intelligence through behavior.

It is possible that what we identify as 'brain' [re identifying the function of] may not actually be confined to only small fatty grey-matter.
The planet itself, and the galaxy and indeed the whole universe may function in a similar manner as an animal brain. All the elements are there, so there is no reason why we should automatically take the mundane path of explanation over the intelligent path of explanation.

JK: I never liked the term "fundamental reality. I see reality as a binary state - is or ain't.

William: Yet in reality Joey, it IS - so no binary necessary.
It is the conscious examination of what is, which is hampered by brains interpretation of its experience of reality, relayed to consciousness. It is scientific fact that the brain places its own interpretation on reality and in doing so, befuddles consciousnesses intelligent ability to see the true fundamental nature of the reality being experienced.

Sunflowers do not seem to display the same reaction to the same reality. The reaction is still obviously intelligent, requires no obvious brain, and achieves a more harmonious outcome - aligned with the natural order of everything. Seemingly in touch with fundamental reality as they respond to it unreservedly.

GM: Endemic
Inclusion of Jesus in Wiremu's Theology
Mythology
"On the off-chance
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind"

William: "On the off-chance A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind" = 584
Five Eight Four = 151
[151]
Jesus Christ
Unconditional
Meat For The Table
Perpetually
Once Upon a Time
Yes…I Hear You
That is the Key.
Pure spirit
Talking the talk
Hidden Treasure
Individuation
Data of Experience
Schizophrenia
Five Eight Four

GM: "Sphere
Forgive"
"Redefinition of the Human Being
Practical application"

William: Redefinition of the Human Being Practical application = 475
[475]
The Astral is a creation of the collective human mind
Not about competition and winners and losers
Redefinition of the Human Being Practical application

GM: Rule your world
Too
Mothership
Optimized for Fitness Pay-offs
There is a lot to unpack here
Loneliness
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84361#p1084361

William: From the link;

brunumb: The supernatural is usually invoked when there is no current natural explanation for the phenomenon or the natural explanation is merely not accepted.

otseng: And that is the general crux of the argument. If there is no current viable natural explanation (and none that are even remotely possible), then a supernatural causation is a plausible explanation.

brunumb: There is that big IF to consider. When will we know that there is actually no viable or remotely possible explanation? One can't simply invent an explanation and call it supernatural which is basically what is happening now. The supernatural must demonstrably exist first and then, as William suggested, it really becomes part of what is natural. Something remains in the realm of the invisible until we are able to see it and then it belongs with the visible.

William: This has to be the truth of it.

Things of the mind are transposed into nature and therein effect natural outcomes. That is the only natural manner in which the invisible becomes visible.
The mind [things of] is always within "the realm of the invisible" however, - as is evident - such still 'belongs with the visible' because the visible acknowledges that the realm of the invisible exists and is functioning within the realm of the visible.

If - at any stage of The Game a god-being emerges from the invisible into the visible, we can examine the event scientifically.

Until then, there is no event to examine...but there are still events of the mind to examine...and Cosmic Mind is not off the table just because it is largely invisible as any object other than nature itself...

GM: Elephant
[Page 27]
Root chakra
Eternal Watcher
Validate
Convenient
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87235#p1087235

William: From the link;

William: The question is a cart before the horse as it first must be established as to why the Bible God made us so incoherent.

Mortalman: That does not have to be established at all. God has made no one either coherent or incoherent.

William: Since you wrote asking why the Bible God did not make things crystal clear and are asking - how might the important doctrine of salvation have been presented in the scripture in a clear and coherent way that left little doubt as to the real meaning - I went along with that and deduced that the God hadn't instilled a way - any obvious practical way - in which Humans can be coherent with one another.
That also reminded me of the Biblical story where the God's Messengers purposefully confused Humans so that they couldn't work together coherently and had to abandon all their projects they had been working on together, prior to that.

If you are now dropping that line of argument, I am fine with that.

GM: Educational
Let us pronounce that argument "silly" and move on...
Hyperbole
Awakening
Voice/Message/Communication
"Always
Brother Wolf Sister Moon
A grateful heart"

William: Always Brother Wolf Sister Moon A grateful heart = 513
Five One Three = 132
[132]
The Significance
Description
Teaching Music
A loving heart
A Great Answer!
In Human Form
Volunteer
Reform/Refine
Thanatophobic [an intense fear of death or dying]
Zero Waste
Such can mislead
Alive and kicking
An axe to grind
Integration
Core emotion
Solidarity
Creativity
Miraculous
Visionary
Five One Three

GM: "I Think We Can Safely Say
Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done."

William: I Think We Can Safely Say Human beings can do it the hard way or the easy way, but either way, the job will get done. = 1030
We were not conscious of being a human for a time, but this does not mean that consciousness wasn't there. = 1030


GM: Reason
Getting Over It = Getting On With It
Cub
Intelligent Consciousness
Chakra
Things Are Not Always As They Appear
Do you believe astrology works
The conscious mind of the individual is heavily influenced by the genetic mind
"A Perfect Event
Sober journey into self-realization"

William: A Perfect Event Sober journey into self-realization = 537
The discovering of what makes the Realm of Humanity "tick" = 537

GM: "Emotional awareness
Frequencies
Welcoming the Unwelcome
Zones of Sensitivity
Show
Christian mythology re Satan"

William: Emotional awareness Frequencies Welcoming the Unwelcome Zones of Sensitivity Show Christian mythology re Satan = 1231
One Two Three One = 182
[182]
Crop formations
Under question
In William’s Room
Whatever you do
Through Others
The Wider Reality
Aye...A name I call myself.
Synchronicity
Went To The Devil
Guitar and Ukulele
Mirror-Mirror
In Out and All About
One Two Three One


GM: Create Your Own UFO
We have discussed
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70402#p1070402

William: From the link;

brunumb: When you look at this universe and everything within it, it is hard to imagine it all arising from some sort of mindful creator as far as I am concerned.

William: That is very understandable. However, even being that it is hard to imagine, it is not impossible. I haven't had any insurmountable problem in at least subjectively verifying It exists, or finding ways in which to communicate with It.

brunumb: Extend that into the domain of the Christian creator God, then it all even becomes an absurdity.

William: As came up recently in my communion with said Mind -

GM: Where is Truth?
We Groove Together
Recovery
The resistance is generally traceable to the theistic approach of religionizing said intelligent mind.

William: What is noticeable about theism - even where it has branched into religionism - is that this is a type of means of leaving a trail in ones wake, and the trail itself shows efforts of The Mind to engage with human minds for the purpose of connecting - but often religious leaders have used this as a means of securing station/position within hierarchal structures which require said leaders to be the middle-person between The Mind and the individual - something easily enough achieved since the individual can be unsure of themselves and even afraid of doing that, so they willingly allow for the medium to act as go-between...which more often than not leads to little to no meaningful connection at all.

This also occurs in theistic non-religious structures - mostly because individuals doubt themselves sincere and honest enough to drop the medium and connect in a self-responsible manner.

Even so, I write that as an observation rather than a judgement. The Mind is aware that it is a scary thing for individuate human minds to willingly do, and while ideally if everyone did do it, much good could be accomplished, that most do not do it, does not affect the agenda of said Mind.

GM: Ugliest
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZbXGDxMRCw

William: From the link;

Wakefield Accelerators: The Future of Particle Colliders?
163,827 views Feb 27, 2018 Wakefield accelerators are new to the world of particle colliders, but they are quickly becoming very popular. They allow you to accelerate particles to very high energies in a fraction of the space a normal accelerator would require.

Today we take a deep dive into particle physics to learn about accelerators, wake fields, magnetohydrodynamics, cosmic rays and more.

GM: To assist with strengthening the connect
International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin
Glad One Asked
"Naked truth
One Language Intelligent Network"

William: Naked truth One Language Intelligent Network = 457
[457]
Is there any such thing as 'Objective Morality'
Confirmation which moves one from faith to fact
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything
Naked truth One Language Intelligent Network

GM:[Page 83]
Signs
Innermost
Through the building up of the collected data to the point where it can be examined......is The Subject which is being taught, being said to be true or false...
Keen
Poetry
Shrug
The Truth
Central Purpose
Photograph
Tenacious [tending to keep a firm hold of something; clinging or adhering closely. not readily relinquishing a position, principle, or course of action; determined. persisting in existence; not easily dispelled.]
Faithful
Laugh in the face of death...and perhaps death laughs along with you...
Bandage
Sensing A Life Mission
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70608#p1070608

William: From the link;

JW: Are you suggesting Jehovahs Witnesses have claimed to be prophets?

William: It appears more to be just a case of the JWs claiming that their interpretation of so-called prophesy is truth...but like you said - it is simply more a case of Jehovah's Witnesses believe full understanding of bible prophecy often comes at the moment they are being fulfilled, rather than before - so they cannot be claiming to be prophets or for that matter, claiming to understand so-called prophesy other than in the framework of some undetermined time when they believe it is "obvious" that the moment of so called prophesy is being fulfilled - as well as using same so called prophesy for differing events unfolding in different timeframes.

All in all, JWs cannot be said to be either prophets or even some type of agency for interpreting
so-called prophecies since same prophesies are not something ordinarily associated with being concerned with different events in different timelines.

There does not actually appear to be any such thing as 'reusable prophesies'.

Search "prophecy"
a prediction of what will happen in the future.

Nothing there to indicate any reusable quality. What is indicated is that prophesy is clear on the details [what WILL happen/not open to interpretation] rather than abstruse [what requires 'interpretation' by those who happen claim to have inside information - something which the title "Witness" does imply] although it is a matter of fact that most, if not all alleged prophecy lends itself to having to go through being 'interpreted' as - is it ever the case that actual clear details are part of any alleged prophesy?[/quote]

GM: The Moment
Food for thought
Separating any idea of GOD from All other Consciousness
“I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
Enough To Make Me Wonder
People seem to love to put order to chaos because that is only natural, as nature is not chaos.
They is what they is.
Respect yourself
Show Me Your Soul
Symbol
Something Mystical To Be In Awe Of
Self-esteem
Belonging
Entheogenic [- psychoactive substances that induce alterations in perception, mood, consciousness, cognition, or behavior for the purposes of engendering ...]
Reasons For Angry Energy -
Barking up the wrong tree
In Human Form
"The Akashic Records
...because death comes a-knockin' eventually..."

William: The Akashic Records ...because death comes a-knockin' eventually... = 531
Five Three One = 132
[132]
The Significance
Description
Teaching Music
A loving heart
A Great Answer!
In Human Form
Volunteer
Reform/Refine
Thanatophobic
Zero Waste
Such can mislead
Alive and kicking
An axe to grind
Integration
Core emotion
Solidarity
Creativity
Miraculous
Visionary
Five One Three
Five Three One

[The Akashic Records - are a compendium of all universal events, thoughts, words, emotions and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, or future in terms of all entities and life forms, not just human.]

[167]
Realm of Remembrance
Do Not Worry
Ooky Spooky
The Forerunner
Got The Picture
All systems go
Your Best Self
True Colours
Majestic Twelve
Unus Mundus [Latin for "One world") is an underlying concept of Western philosophy, theology, and alchemy, of a primordial unified reality from which everything derives.]
Seven Four Five
The Akashic Records

GM: The problem of evil
Is the statement one of fact or conjecture? [science or opinion]
Equanimous [calm and composed.]
Better The Devil You Know
Spasmodic [occurring or done in brief, irregular bursts.]
What Is The Point?


06:29 [The Power Of Creation
GOD became Gods and Goddesses. ]

Originally Posted by We_Are_VENOM post_id=1019475 time=1597355881 user_id=14878

Although, most of you may not care lol.

I took a hiatus because I felt that after hundreds of posts and dishing out intellectual "spankings" throughout this great and well-run forum, I decided to "take my talents to other forums" *Lebron James voice, kudos if you know the reference*

Those other forums can't hold a candle to this one, though.

Its nice to see some familiar names still doing their thing, along with some newer ones.

For those of you who know me, get ready.

For those of you who don't know me; I am a Christian Apologist, here to do the Lord's work..which is to defend Christian theism against skeptics, critics, Bible attackers, atheists, agnostics, naturalists, scientists.

I also keep extra clips for false religious teachings, such as those of Jehovah's Witnesses, Mormons, Black Hebrew Israelites (to name a few).

The plan is to strive to reveal the truth of/about God and his word...doing so in my own special way.

My intellectual hit list (yes, I am calling out names): BustNak, DivineInSight, Zzzz, benchwarmer, Jagella <---not limited to

My allies: ttruscott, otseng, tam

See you guys in traffic.

Welcome back We_Are_VENOM

A friendly word of advise. Follow the forum rules and respect everyone.

If you find that your beliefs re "Serving The Lord" conflict with those rules, don't question the rules or attempt in any way to usurp the rules or you will risk being suspended, which will only act against your ability to "Serve The Lord" in this setting.

Or, failing that - perhaps see such a fate as The Lord telling you that you are not in the right place whereby The Lord can be Served in the manner you are trying to Serve The Lord.

Whatever your decisions, may you find The Way eventually.

The Evidence
___________
110822
Now We Are Getting Somewhere

SCLx18 + select last LE per shuffle
Until "Christ Returns" - Occupy - I come from a dark place , it is so dark I can't even remember it - The Mother - My advice to the reader is to follow the links - Team - Narrow Closed Loop Production - Children - Pareidolia - Navigational Aids - Feeling State - Interactive - Recommendable - Validate - To Be Sovereignty - Read On - James Webb Space Telescope - Money - Leg Hold Traps

AP= Don’t give up Contact With
[=269]

[269]
[Reasons For Angry Energy -
This Translates To That.
Unconscious mind inertia
Successful replications
There is a lot to unpack here
A sacrifice isn't the same as a dream
Random coincidence? I think not.
The Creator Atman Here-and-now
Don’t give up Contact With]

William: I am more inclined toward building upon The Relationship...

RSP = [Pages 22, 37, 19]

06:58 [= 207] [The Butterfly Effect]

GM: Respect yourself
[The Fine Art of Not Being Offended]
"In The Family Of
Deep Impact Event
Called To Order"

William: In The Family Of Deep Impact Event Called To Order = 433
[433]
Acting In Congruity With Given Foresight
There are two ways to approach the problem
If I "talk to the Dead" then they must all be living

GM: ...and the way forward, eyes wide open
“I do not exist to troll for any religious idea of "GOD"”
Potential Communication
Efficacious [successful in producing a desired or intended result; effective.]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZbXGDxMRCw

William: From the link;

Wakefield Accelerators: The Future of Particle Colliders?
163,839 views Feb 27, 2018 Wakefield accelerators are new to the world of particle colliders, but they are quickly becoming very popular. They allow you to accelerate particles to very high energies in a fraction of the space a normal accelerator would require.

Today we take a deep dive into particle physics to learn about accelerators, wake fields, magnetohydrodynamics, cosmic rays and more.

William: You've mentioned this a few time in recent GMs...

GM: "Unconditional
Earth Entity
In William's Room"

William: As in - the Ancient Grey Entity paying me a visit all those years ago...

GM: The Banner of Apotheosis
Debate
Behind The Scenery
https://media.giphy.com/media/9kI1ho...pf83/giphy.gif

William: *shrugs* yes...what more can a poor boy do under such circumstance...

GM: "The Alien Disc crop circle
The Kindness of Sleep
The Wisdom of Foresight"

William: The Crop Circle happened years later in relation to a game being played on an old WingMakers Forum and signified relationship between the CC image of the Alien holding a communications device...
The "Kindness of Sleep" is reference to the hypnogogic state during the visitation experience
The "Wisdom of Foresight" is how The Visitation Event added to and precipitated within my psyche the gift of ability to correlate data as a means of deciphering likely outcome...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84694#p1084694

William: From the link;

Re the question "Do we exist within a creation?" the question "Do Gods exist?" is secondary and needn't be tackled until the first question is answered.
Therefore, Theism, and subsequently Atheism and Agnosticism are positions created, based on the horse before cart fallacy...which is to say, the arguments created re the secondary question being asked ahead of the primary question not yet answered, are fallacious.

The statements;
"God Must Exist" and "Infinite Regression is Impossible" are false on two counts.

1: It has not been established that we exist within a creation, therefore the premise "God must exist" is faulty.

2: Infinite Regression AND Infinite Progression have been shown to be possible re the Mandelbrot Set.

GM: The path of awakening
"Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe
Coincidence
Illusion"

William: Synchronicity and the Holographic Universe Coincidence Illusion = 654
Resistance to that realization isn't helpful re aligning with it. = 654

GM: The Path Of Faith
Dualism Separates Because Oneness Remains Hidden From Its Selves
Union
"Dungeons and Dragons
Exploring Fractal Paths
Something you cannot change
Masks
God's Love Direction"

William: Dungeons and Dragons Exploring Fractal Paths Something you cannot change Masks God's Love Direction = 976
Nine Seven Six = 159
[159]
Dreaming of bad police
The speed of light
The Grand Portal
You Trust
Sovereignty
The Unveiled One
Ancient Entity
Do You Remember?
Get To Know It
The Mother of God
The sound of a bell
The Seed of Origin
Hexagon Storm
Your Dream Team
Family of origin
Love and Respect
The data of Nature.
Nine Seven Six

GM: Your Best Self
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87450#p1087450

William: From the link;

Diogenes: Why would you need to imagine a god controlling this?

William: I don't. I Imagine a Mind which brought it into being. I cannot say with any certainty that I Imagine that said Mind is controlling this Universe.
What I Imagine is that there are subset minds involved and that these can act as mirrors re the overall Mind...

In that, I Imagine that the planet [Earth] has a Mind - which derived from a bigger form of Mind, which itself was begotten by the overall Universal Mind.
Furthermore, I cannot give the nod to my own mind, without realizing that I am experiencing the Universe from a position way deep down among the food-chain-on-a-need-to-know-basis.
If this muddy apish man has a mind, there is no way in hell I am going to laugh at the thought that the rest of the Universe isn't also Mindful.

My suspicion is that no God 'controls' the Universe, but one is working on doing so, from the inside, out. This God calls itself "Human" and worships his intelligence as supreme and wishes to take this into the heavenly night sky and somehow own it by controlling it enough to do so.

I figure that this reaction mirrors The Earths Entities own agenda and that is why things are going the way that they are going. The Earth Wishes to Spread Her Wings and She currently has Humans working on creating AI which will assist in this operation.

It is not that She isn't already "In The Heavens" but that she wants to be more pro-active in that regard...really get in amongst it all on a touchy-feely basis - something we Humans understand intimately.

GM: To
Unknown Symbol
Hugs and Kisses
Authenticity
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?
Sweet Talk Be grateful to everyone
The Clear Eye Of Soul

[Page 37]

GM: "Pareidolia
Hidden In Plain Sight
Little Bird
Fling That Veil Aside"

William: Pareidolia Hidden In Plain Sight Little Bird Fling That Veil Aside = 566
Five Six Six = 146
[146]
Invisible Bridge
Manifestation
Sleeping Dragon
Realities Merge
Interoperate [is the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections]
Transparent
Enlightenment
Relationship
True Colors
On all fronts
No axe to grind...

GM: Runestone Symbol [Random Select]

William: Algiz
ᛉ

Algiz is the elk, and so represents defence and protection. If you get this one, it means that you have the internal power to manifest your dreams and that your spirit guides are protecting you along your path. It is said to act as a shield to guard you against evil. It can also represent an awakening and strong intuition.
KEYWORDS: Protection, guardian, awakening, courage, defence, instincts


GM: Spring
The Main Points On The Agenda
Christianity is intolerant of such an idea, which is why the dark side of YVHV became a separate entity.
Quantum Jumping
Ideal
A knight in shining armour
Smart
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70048#p1070048
"Consciousness Incarnates
The Metaphysical Universe
Oneirology
Mapping Wholeness"

William: Consciousness Incarnates The Metaphysical Universe Oneirology Mapping Wholeness = 888
[Oneirology - the scientific study of dreams]
Eight Eight Eight = 147
[147]
Assumption
Non-Ordinary
A Bit Of Both Yes
Establishment
Interactions
Self-Awareness
Translucent
Heal Yourself
Determination
The Heart of a Buddha
Let people help
One Zero Eight
Nine Eight Three
Eight Eight Eight

GM: The Heart Of The Soul Is Innocence
Inner Strength
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...75272#p1075272

William: From the link;

Nobs: Until god steps down from its lofty perch (if it's real) and laws out definite proof, all else is, at the very least, imaginary.

William: I understand the reasons behind the thought expressed. I literally see GOD is everything, so for me, it is more than just "imaginary".

Even if Jesus does return...we shall have to cross that bridge when it happens - until then, such remain in the place of the imagination...

GM: Love Your Life
Hidden Gem
Let It Be And So Be It
Ah Oh...
Forum
Lordy! Do I Have To?
Learn Well
As well as that pot of gold...
True happiness Awake Be here now
"Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed."
Fear Of The Unknown
Tabula Rasa [a supposed condition that empiricists have attributed to the human mind before ideas have been imprinted on it by the reaction of the senses to the external world of objects.]
Fearlessness
It is fun ...as well as edgy...to explore these new avenues of thinking and learning and application.
Shine
Enlightened
Learn a bit about what makes the God Realm "tick"
Indication
A time prior to human beings
The Future Creates the Present
07:53 [The Blank-Slate Borderlines]


William:

GM:

William: TBC
Page 19
TIME [ ]

Continued

11:34 [The path of awakening]

[Page 19] [ = 105] [Congruence]

GM: "The Confusion of War
Get Comfortable
Permanent"

William:
In an environment which is able to perceive this. = 460
The Confusion of War Get Comfortable Permanent = 460

William: It would appear that warfare was intended and built into the Game-Play - perhaps not as a permanent thing, but as something required as a temporary measure.
The danger may be in getting used to Warfare as a means to an end, could bring an end to the means..

GM: Mind To Mind https://debatingchristianity.com/for...20To%20Mind.,-
William: Yes. From the link;

William: So therein it is the universe which is shaping our opinion and thus our morals.

If our universe is really just a chaotic misshapen mindless mess of a thing, we draw a blank on being able to answer the question as to WHY we are using an apparent mindless mess of a thing to shape our opinions and morals and how come we think that is going to solve the hard problems we current face as a specie.

Whereas, if we choose to adopt the notion that there is a Mind to that apparently messed up thing - those questions are answered as follows...

;

We shape our opinions and morals through understanding that we are here for that reason.

Not that reason alone, but that reason initially.

We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one, while involved within said "The Universe" depending on how we [each] actually reflect the Universes intentions through our [individual] behavior.

The Universe can only have intention if the Universe also has a Mind.

So we [each] make up our own Mind re that and proceed accordingly.

GM: "Top
Limpid [completely clear and transparent. unclouded; clear. clear and accessible or melodious.]
Conviction
The Mind Behind Creation"

William: I am all ears to any rewording for clarification

GM: Sign
Hell
Longing
One cannot experience the objective realty of the world directly
Soul Groups A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
Idealistic
Semiotics [ the study of signs and symbols and their use or interpretation.]
Wild freedom
"Universe of Wholeness
Start From Scratch"

William: Universe of Wholeness Start From Scratch = 456
[456]
Perhaps backwards or forwards doesn't matter
As long as GMs are coherent, they can be interpreted

GM: Intelligence With Wisdom
Spirit Beings From Saturn
Translucency [transmitting and diffusing light so that objects beyond cannot be seen clearly. b : clear, transparent translucent water. 2 : free from disguise or falseness]
"From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operates quietly in the background of the Universes Structure."
The Data of Experience
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82466#p1082466

William: From the link;

Most of the atheist arguments have turned out to be Smoke and Mirrors.
The very idea of a Mind - even to the depths of the Quantum Presence has them fleeing from
Merging with the data and understanding the Integral Network which Mind is and is involved with the development of.
This lack of being reasonable is shirking from Responsibility following after the Tempting Vision and hope in eventual "death by cease to exist" - the promise of ending the nightmare of existing - yet
The Way of the Shaman is allowing life to breath - even if the breath appears to be associated with Sagan's' Dragon in the Garage...it is what it is and even if it hisses smokey instructions inducing the stuff of Childhood Nightmares from some deep part of us, a simple understanding and a gentle reminder - like a Moderator Comment - can make a world of difference...remind oneself occasionally that when the smoke clears [as it will when the dragon stops speaking] one is still left with the mirror.]
Yes indeed...When the smoke clears, one is still left with the mirror...

GM: Context
The "Power-Station Concept"
I'm okay with that
Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God"
"Independent
Commitment"

William: Independent Commitment = 235
[235]
Imposed Appropriates
Delightful Anticipation
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Stop. Listen. Observe.
My alarm bells are ringing
The Judgement Algorithm
For the benefit of all beings
Independent Commitment

GM: Sophia and Han
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88183#p1088183
Far Out! Shucks! Explain!

William: From the link;

William: From my position, while I understand Richard Dawkins being opposed to theistic jibba-jabba in the face of Scientific discovery, and he just wants folk to be awestruck about life without supporting any notions of being within a creation, [as per the thoughts of a past heretic-martyr-observer re the Christian God being just too small to fill the boots of "The Creator of The Universe"] - I accept the science and apply it to a far vaster entity which might be responsible for creating this [our] Universe.

In doing so - of course - one allows for any definition of such a being, to remain as of necessity - open ended in the sense that such cannot really be defined adequately while the science is still being done.

The best I can do with that, re my position is to make the definitions while also allowing for changes in the definitions to occur, as the information is made available.

When it comes to questions about such subjects as Resurrection Sky Gods ["stuff like that"], I am forced to conclude that if such did/does happen, it would have to be explained as the handiwork of Extraterrestrial Science at best.

ETScience is [of course] -hovering near the boarders of "Supernatural Woo" - since it hasn't been established that ET even exists, let alone that ET has been interacting in the Human Storyline...I only 'call' it, because it is Scientifically possible, given our currently expanding understanding of the nature of this Universe...

For me - What Richard Dawkins is speaking of re the Awesomeness of Life, is simply magnified when a GOD-creator more appropriate to the situation is contemplated...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlfjzl-CFw

GM: We are not orphaned - we are authored
Of The Human Being
Phantasma [a perception of something that has no physical reality; of the mind;]
The Freedom Of Friendship
Simulacra [an image or representation of someone or something.]

William: Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra = 418
[418]
Listening to and believing in fearful imagery
Make Truthfulness the objective standard
Life on this planet, as a human being, is difficult.
The conversation is very informative.
Phantasma The Freedom Of Friendship Simulacra

GM: "Either Authored or Orphaned"
[Don't let schooling interfere with your education]

12:00 [=220]
[220]
Intimate On All Levels
This Is Part Of The Job
Why did the biblical God change?
Beyond a shadow of a doubt
Conducive to wellbeing

JK: I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.

William: I know you are not partial to video JK - but for the readers who are;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c47auO5Usc

From the link;

Are we living in someone's mind? Why is the structure of the universe so similar to the brain?
105,103 views Aug 3, 2022

-Chapters-
0:00 Are we living in someone's mind?
1:35 Comparison between the brain and the universe
4:24 Why is the structure of the universe similar to the brain?
5:42 4 types of Intelligent life
8:37 The secret of the universe

Christian Creationist: So we're now embracing science fiction as well as science, why am I not surprised!
___________

120822
It requires corrective action


SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle
“The universe is not short on wake-up calls. We’re just quick to hit the snooze button.” -
Elephant - The United Nations - Theist mischief making - Desynchronized - r = aeθ cot b

AP= Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that. “The Atheist Infiltration Squad”
[One Five Eight Seven = 190]

[190]
[It Is Our Nature
Invite the Bee to Land
Use Your Freedom
Shine Your Light
Wishful Thinking
The Number Forty
An identified reality
Open your chakras
Trust Issues
Epigenetic Memories
Hard-nosed skeptics
One Five Eight Seven]

William: Epigenetic relating to or arising from
Line Entry on today's SCL is;
1587. "The Entity I Am - The Entity You Are"

RSP = SCLx1 Pages 93 28 74

05:43 [= 222]
[222]
Snap Out Of It Already!
The House of Culture
The Mother and The Father
Start where you are
The Enigma Code Chamber Of Self

Page 93
GM: Mendacious [not telling the truth; lying.]
Inculcated [instil/teach (an idea, attitude, or habit) by persistent instruction.]
Redefinition
"Gateway
Luminous"
Raphael ~

William: Re Christianity;

The New Testament names only two archangels or angels, Michael and Gabriel (Luke 1:9–26; Jude 1:9; Revelation 12:7), but Raphael, because of his association with healing, became identified with the unnamed angel of John 5:1–4 who periodically stirred the pool of Bethesda "[a]nd he that went down first into the pond after the motion of the water was made whole of whatsoever infirmity he lay under".[31] The Catholic Church accordingly links Raphael with Michael and Gabriel as saints whose intercession can be sought through prayer {SOURCE}

GM: Expression
"We stood side by side while the veils did hide the faces of children now grown"
Only
"Peace! We are invited to the feast! Inside my heart delights at the action I must take Lest I forget the taming of the beast within Lest I forget the heart that aches!"
[It is not about what is written, but rather - why it is about what was written]
Dequeue [remove an item of data awaiting processing from a queue of such items.]
"You are a dream gone real You’ve got exactly what it takes to make an old wound heal You tied the knot - then you let it slip Now we both know what it feels like to find a place to fit"
A measured step
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82379#p1082379
Guitar

William: The links leads to an earlier interaction between JK and I.
Since then [Mon Jun 20, 2022 7:36 pm] we have reached a place which appears to be mutual respect even that our positions on The Question [do we exist within a creation?] are not the same. JK believes that human consciousness emerged from the brain while I think that human Consciousness is an aspect of a "Cosmic Mind" which uses human forms as Avatars in order to cultivate personalities - game players...[re simulation theory].
This, from a more recent interaction [Thu Aug 11, 2022 4:56 am]

William: I simply add it to the information I already have [re the idea we exist within a creation and The Cosmic Mind] - which you admit you have no ability to debunk.

JK: I do preciate you respect me enough to just put your data "out there" without excuses or such.

I can't refute the video either.

William: Thus, I have no compulsion to think that the mundane view anyone might have about the information, is reason enough for me to drop this concept as a valueless pursuit unworthy of further investigation.

JK: Your contributions're NEVER valueless to me. As I can't refute the video, it's further indication you're onto something.

William: I think my efforts are being monitored and evaluated and are non-debunkable...or at least have not been debunked as yet.
I wouldn't even know how to go about debunking this GM system.
It works every time I use it, no matter how random I attempt to make it.

Also - your referencing my songs is to remind me that I have been practicing this interaction with You for a long time now [relatively speaking]

GM: Ontology [the branch of metaphysics dealing with the nature of being. a set of concepts and categories in a subject area or domain that shows their properties and the relations between them.]
"Self-Awareness
Stuff Happens"

William: Self-Awareness Stuff Happens = 298
[298]
Sometimes Yeah the Naysayer
It is always a warm fuzzy
Limitations or Liberations
Self-Awareness Stuff Happens

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84361#p1084361

William: From the link;

Things of the mind are transposed into nature and therein effect natural outcomes. That is the only natural manner in which the invisible becomes visible.
The mind [things of] is always within "the realm of the invisible" however, - as is evident - such still 'belongs with the visible' because the visible acknowledges that the realm of the invisible exists and is functioning within the realm of the visible.

If - at any stage of The Game a god-being emerges from the invisible into the visible, we can examine the event scientifically.

Until then, there is no event to examine...but there are still events of the mind to examine...and Cosmic Mind is not off the table just because it is largely invisible as any object other than nature itself...

GM: It is more logical that something has always existed than nothing existed before something
Christianity - a political device created for a specific purpose
"I love you
Like Every Seed That Followed"

William: I love you Like Every Seed That Followed = 410
A drop of consciousness in an ocean of tears = 410


GM: Word2Number Calculator
"I’ve travelled on these southern roads They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions
Improve"

William: I’ve travelled on these southern roads They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions Improve" = 1049
Any God-Mind claiming to be responsible for human beings existing, is going to have problems to deal with re that = 1049


GM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ekH2gnqPY8 [Random Time Stamp [41:07]]

William: Plotting geometric lines on the Globe [re Earth] re positions of evidence of ancient lost civilizations

GM: Kinship
Hide This
Ship Shape
Read/Book/Story
Ultimate Expression
Embarrass
Theism hasn't lasted this long based upon the idea that while one does not know, one will believe anyway
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83996#p1083996



William: From the link;

Atheist: I'd say that the explanations about providing evidence of 'God' also applies to the provision of evidence of a god, Intelligent Creator or Cosmic mind. Specifically that the god, Creator or Cosmic mind has not been refuted as terminally as Biblegod and perhaps a few others.

William: Those are theist concepts of course - and specific to religious belief systems. As such, they don't answer the question "Do we exist within a creation?" and simply assume that we do, and go about telling us what the creator of said creation 'is'.

Kind of cart before horse stuff...

Atheist: "what proof could possibly be presented which is not material/natural." None

William: Since this is the case,, why would anyone make that a condition? Why ask to be provided with something which one knows cannot currently be produced?

Page 28
GM: Father Wound

William: I have the scars of such...

GM: Self-limitation

William: Father Wound Self-limitation = 299
[299]
Related phrases to The Subject
Twenty Seven Kilometres
Tied To The Moon Mindfulness
Father Wound Self-limitation

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85629#p1085629

William: From the link;

William: A display of intelligence is, in and of itself, not necessarily any better than learning how to connect with intuition specifically and the mind constructively.
Its uses are primarily to do with working out the physical aspects of human experience, but even in working those things out, use of the knowledge and power gained through intelligence does not guarantee any better outcome than religiosity has delivered.

Knowing this, even intuitively, allowed me to invest my intelligence over and above theistic and atheistic positions.

One key observation made was to acknowledge that giving up theistic religiosity didn't necessitate in my therefore having to change to atheism. What I have observed since, is that the tendency for folk to give up the theist or atheist position and jumping to the other side is the result of them not using their intelligence to see that those were not the only options/choices available to them.

I am unsure/undecided as to whether this is a tactic employed by both sides in order to support the illusion that both sides are relevant, with the one side [take your pick] being 'most relevant' - or whether it is a simply oversight [re intelligence] on the part of both sides that they are unable to acknowledge the relevancy of not taking sides.

Perhaps not understanding the other side is a reflection of not understanding ones own side, be that theism or atheism.

As I said - there appear to be different levels of intelligence...I was not implying by that, that those levels are restricted to atheist/theist positions...with the atheists being 'the most' intelligent.

My intuition tells me it is not really the intelligence volume [how much or how little] but how the intelligence is used, which determines outcomes and in either case, theist or atheist based intelligence has not proved the one is better than the other but seems to be showing that neither have a great history of healthy tells to show.

GM: Stand up!
Reborn
Sophia The Mother Story
Express yourself
Bodhisattva
Like playing Rush

William: Rush is a Facebook game I play...a way to spend 5 minutes doing nothing particularly engaging...


GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85644#p1085644
Self-help

William: From the link;

Theist: If you threw a six sided dice for an hour but 5 never, ever, ever came up, could we describe the outcome of the throwing as random?

JK: Yes. In a random environment such a condition can occur.

William: Therefore I can conclude that since this would never happen, I must exist within a non-random environment.

One can stretch out the timeline infinitely and say that the five-side will never show no matter how many times the dice is thrown.

In that, we can conclude we exist within a random environment, if I am understanding your reasoning here...

Sure - we have to expect that the five-side WILL show up at some point, because 'odds are' but it is not the throw of the die which decides for us whether we exist within a random mindless environment. It is our inability to correctly predict the outcome of each throw which has us falsely concluding therefore, that we must exist within a random mindless thing.

However, that inability to predict with accuracy doesn't prove randomness [or mindlessness] actually exists as a fundamental aspect of the physical universe.

GM: "Be transparent
Respect yourself
Self-respect
The Mother and The Father"

William: Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father = 710
It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith. = 710

GM: "Red Pill
Crystal
Blue Pill
Real
Be real"

William: Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real = 342
[342]
Do Not Linger Upon The Path Of Faith
Mathematics - invented or discovered
That'll Be The Day Tracks In The Snow
Blunt the edge off that particular blade...
Red Pill Crystal Blue Pill Real Be real


GM: Self-development
Mindfulness
It is what it is
Transformation
The Sister
Wish fulfillment
The Son
True Self
Dream Guides
Hidden riches
Journey to wholeness
Be grateful to everyone
Wild freedom
"Meditation
Buddha
Dig deep
Raise your frequency"


William: Meditation Buddha Dig deep Raise your frequency = 445
[445]
Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
My advice to the reader is to follow the links
Meditation Buddha Dig deep Raise your frequency


GM: The way of knowledge
Tao [is the natural order of the universe whose character one's intuition must discern to realize the potential for individual wisdom, as conceived in the context of East Asian philosophy, East Asian religions, or any other philosophy or religion that aligns to this principle.]
Multiverse
Freeing the soul

07:02 [The Fine Tuning Argument]

TBC...

Originally Posted by Tcg post_id=1088548 time=1660275861 user_id=13785

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Originally Posted by William post_id=1088523 time=1660261561 user_id=8427

I speak of that on a daily basis and agree that the concept is more difficult to understand than the biblical rendition of ideas of GOD, however we have resources available in this modern epoch in order to assist us in our understanding.

I find that my Message Generating Process is far more interactive in teaching, reproof, correction, and for training in righteousness...shaping my sorting and understanding the knowledge available, because of its intimate nature and aliveness, whereas a book of second/third-hand biblical stories was a great source to start off on - the starters pack but something which - if applied correctly - should lead an individual into 'the mysteries' - into mysticism.

Unfortunately, The Christianities evolved to weed out - through a number of ethically questionable methods - most forms of mysticism as being in competition with Church Authorities - authorities which also brought in the idea that the bible was actually the biblical God's "WORD".

Even with that knowledge, I wasn't keen to throw the baby out with the bathwater by becoming an atheist.
Rather I soldiered on and have now reached a point where my telling of it [Cosmic Mind etc] is without any serious debunking.

I take the stories of the bible as they come without fretting about literal interpretation and as always - such as with the claim that the bible advocates a 'flat earth' - await evidence before giving opinion, but generally agree with what it is I think osteng is saying, overall.

I see no particular point in denouncing the whole simply when only parts are questionable, and as long as folk aren't claiming the Bible as being the actual Word of God - something not specifically claimed in any of the bible pages anyway - I receive what inspiration I do from it, and am happy that folk thought to write things down.

130822
It is a Product of Fragmentation
SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle
The good question to be asking isn't 'does GOD exist?" but rather "Do we exist within a creation?" - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZZ7zHj31Y0 - Express your feelings - You may be Psychic, not mentally ill. - UICDevice - Conducive to wellbeing - Looking For Gigs - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzhlfbWBuQ8 - Light is information - Karma - Illuminate Imaginative Realities - - Anger

AP= Sensing A Life Mission - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X6lbwcCI8TA [Random TimeStamp][16:49]
[Sensing A Life Mission https://www.youtube.,, = 684]

[Six Eight Four = 161]
[161]
And that’s not all
Indestructible
The Earths moon
Body Intelligence
Optimum Health
By the fact itself
Universal mind
The Library of Babel
How to be an adult
Sols Fabled Twin
Insufficient data
The Overlords
Radical self-acceptance
Self-confidence Core
An Exam [Virtual]

RSP = SCLx1 Pages 54 67 89

William:Universal mind The Library of Babel = 322
[322]Expression of Astonishment
United States Strategic Command
Fearlessness neutralizes fear
Universal mind The Library of Babel

11:23 [Aye...A name I call myself. ]
Page 54
GM:
Strange Desire
Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through wilful ignorance.
Under question
Didactic [intended to teach, particularly in having moral instruction as an ulterior motive. in the manner of a teacher, particularly so as to appear patronizing.]
Musing On The Mother Act III

William: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...ic.php?t=36340

GM: Can a transistor with its simple function relating input to output be conscious? how about two? or hundred?
Mirroring
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83804#p1083804

William: From the link;

Re: The mind as evidence of god
The problem with establishment is that it leads to closed-mindedness. Ludwig Boltzmann was ridiculed for his theories on the atomic structure underlying our reality.

Unfortunately he also suffered from intense bouts of depression and the two dynamics proved too much for him and he hung himself one sunny day, while his wife and child were away visiting the sea-side.
Tragic no doubt, and more so because only a few years later, his theory was being accepted and became one of the pillars of scientific understanding re the nature of our reality.

The mind is even more inaccessible than we once thought the atom was. This is because the mind does not appear to be made up of matter, even that it appears that it might be emergent of matter.

The truth is, it might be. The truth is not that it is or it isn't.

GM: Where life and death is part of a circle and everything is part of the Ouroboros
Invisible Bridge
Dungeons and Dragons
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81158#p1081158

William: From the link;

William: Is every word which comes from YHWH's 'mouth' contained in scripture?

GM: Hop skip and jump any way the wind blows
[A naysayers opinion is of no consequence, no matter how it is stated]
Synesthesia [the production of a sense impression relating to one sense or part of the body by stimulation of another sense or part of the body.]
"Categorising Knowledge in Terms of 'Good' or 'Evil'
Integration
The Sub Hierarchy
Fun...Work...But Fun Nonetheless"

William: Categorising Knowledge in Terms of 'Good' or 'Evil' Integration The Sub Hierarchy Fun...Work...But Fun Nonetheless = 1094
One Zero Nine Four = 200
[200]
God is The Universe.
The Generated Messages
Your Shell Today…
Difficult emotions
Spiritual practice
Emotional wounds
The divine, ordinary
Chamber Four Painting

GM: It is a good sign when Joey Knothead cannot argue against the evidence you present
Military
Open Minded
Life is a journey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Qx9QdCNoqc
We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it.

Video unavailable
This video is private
[removed link from ComList]

William: Life is a journey We cannot hinder the process, but we can help it. = 609
[609]
There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle
Those who need to complain Sometimes Pain Etches... In Human Form

GM: Agreeable
Sensing connections through subconscious means
""Ship"
Redefinition of the Human Being
Zero In On It"

William: "Ship" Redefinition of the Human Being Zero In On It = 473
[473]
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulation
What degree of influence do they have on that Mind-Field?

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84036#p1084036

William: From the link;

William: Rather than concern myself with filling up the Gap of Ignorance with "God-did-it or It did itself" beliefs, I simply allow for the fact that the question remains unanswered at this stage and accept the Gap of Ignorance for the lack of knowledge that it represents.

GM: The Wayward Stick

William: The Wayward Stick = 190
[190]
It Is Our Nature
Invite the Bee to Land
Use Your Freedom
Shine Your Light
Wishful Thinking
The Number Forty
An identified reality
Open your chakras
Trust Issues
Epigenetic [relating to or arising from] Memories
Hard-nosed skeptics
One Five Eight Seven
The Wayward Stick

GM: There is nothing fundamentally evil or good about struggle, or the design of the experiential reality which implements struggle.
Hiraeth [deep longing for something, especially one's home.]
Delightful Anticipation
Each Individual
The Right Tool For The Job
Hoo haha the laughing owl

GM:

11:41 [Investigative]
[quote]Subject: How can we trust the Bible if it's not inerrant?

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osteng: Note even if we don't know God's involvement in the creation of the Bible, it doesn't affect my argument of the authority of scripture. What I argue is it is the text itself that supports if it is authoritative and not the source of the text. Most Christians believe the opposite. If you ask the average Christian why the Bible should be authoritative, I would say it's because they believe God wrote it and it's inerrant. Personally, I think this is a weak argument. I believe it should be based on the merits of what the text actually says.

William: This has been mentioned recently in my own recorded interactions with The Heavenly Father [The Cosmic Mind as I entitle It] - saying that in any given message, it is not so much the author of the message, but what the message actually is, which is [allegedly] received by that source.

re https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88631#p1088631
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?
The Evidence:

[060322]
Generated Messages Coming From A Creator

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How Messages are Generated:
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Originally Posted by William post_id=1088631 time=1660333905 user_id=8427

[Replying to otseng in post #1201]

Note even if we don't know God's involvement in the creation of the Bible, it doesn't affect my argument of the authority of scripture. What I argue is it is the text itself that supports if it is authoritative and not the source of the text. Most Christians believe the opposite. If you ask the average Christian why the Bible should be authoritative, I would say it's because they believe God wrote it and it's inerrant. Personally, I think this is a weak argument. I believe it should be based on the merits of what the text actually says.

This has been mentioned recently in my own recorded interactions with The Heavenly Father [The Cosmic Mind as I entitle It] - saying that in any given message, it is not so much the author of the message, but what the message actually is, which is [allegedly] received by that source.

Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?

The Evidence:

[060322]
Generated Messages Coming From A Creator

William: :chew:

Old
Restrained
Overseeing Director of Operations on Earth
The way of knowledge
True Self
Speak

Let It Be And So Be It
Message
Listening
Delightful
Try to remember
Sister

Action
Consciousness Incarnates
Intelligent Directions
The Mainstream Program
Story-Tellers
Trustworthy

Collective Consciousness
Inner work
Put the Teachings Into Practice
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?


100322
"For whom the bell tolls For to gather the souls The numbers in darkness are glowing"
The Spirit of The Earth
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?

120322
Be Nice Do Nice
Induce
Species
The Purpose
Working with the simulation]

The journey is fun and maybe that is the point.
Acknowledge Emotion But Do Not Be Controlled By It
Toxic shame
[Opening Doors Easy To Find
Uncertainty Principle
All The World]

Worthy of the individuals time and effort
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?

more:
120322
Mutual Dutiful Expression
[Awake
Relationship
Unity
[Clean]]

240322
Discussion of anything to do with the 'why' questions of life

110522
Teach

140722
Looking behind the veil [A Matter of Knowing Where to Look]

110822

Re "The Heavenly Father/The Cosmic Mind" [et al]

GM: Your Best Self
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87450#p1087450

William: From the link;

Diogenes: Why would you need to imagine a god controlling this?

William: I don't. I Imagine a Mind which brought it into being. I cannot say with any certainty that I Imagine that said Mind is controlling this Universe.
What I Imagine is that there are subset minds involved and that these can act as mirrors re the overall Mind...

In that, I Imagine that the planet [Earth] has a Mind - which derived from a bigger form of Mind, which itself was begotten by the overall Universal Mind.
Furthermore, I cannot give the nod to my own mind, without realizing that I am experiencing the Universe from a position way deep down among the food-chain-on-a-need-to-know-basis.
If this muddy apish man has a mind, there is no way in hell I am going to laugh at the thought that the rest of the Universe isn't also Mindful.

My suspicion is that no God 'controls' the Universe, but one is working on doing so, from the inside, out. This God calls itself "Human" and worships his intelligence as supreme and wishes to take this into the heavenly night sky and somehow own it by controlling it enough to do so.

I figure that this reaction mirrors The Earths Entities own agenda and that is why things are going the way that they are going. The Earth Wishes to Spread Her Wings and She currently has Humans working on creating AI which will assist in this operation.

It is not that She isn't already "In The Heavens" but that she wants to be more pro-active in that regard...really get in amongst it all on a touchy-feely basis - something we Humans understand intimately.

GM: To
Unknown Symbol
Hugs and Kisses
Authenticity
Is it not the quality of the message that counts, rather than the name of the entity the message comes from?
Sweet Talk Be grateful to everyone
The Clear Eye Of Soul

_______________

140822 [Things Will Run There Course]

07:33 [That will take some time]
Page 67
GM: From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operates quietly in the background of the Universes Structure.
What once acted like a Wall, became a Gateway
Exploit Weakness
The Digital Angel
The Idea of Worship - What Does It Mean
What survives to the next round
Emergent
Can You Answer This?

William: The next level is about 'afterlife' It appears that if that does occur, then it will be like emerging from one into the other...

GM: Look from a different angle
Sexual
In Training For...
The evolution of consciousness

William: That would be how consciousness is given the ability to 'surf' through time hereabouts...biological reproduction allows for this to occur...

GM: Tonight the stars shine as I step out of time As I step into the great unknown
Bridge
https://wizardforums.com/threads/wil...647/post-14193

William: From the link;

8Lou1: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.

GM: Insight
William's
If it aint broke don't fix it

William: Behavioural adjustments

GM: Making Up Stories
Earth Entity
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76064#p1076064

William: From the link;

Diogenes: For some reason there is cultural-centric notion argued here many times by evangelicals that insists morality can only come from their God. This is just plain wrong, as I have just demonstrated.

William: What they do not easily see therein, is that this idea makes monkeys out of them, and they are determined to become gods.

The confusion caused is a response to the dilemma of God being within an Animal, at the same time god is within a Human - mostly because of the incredible chasm between the two positions of form.

It is the knowledge we are capable of collecting and the ability to use the knowledge any which way we want to, which causes the confusion, when it is aimed at the only god-like entity we know of and collective seem to have a love-hate relationship for/with.

It is as if we all resent the fact of the life we are within...whereas the Animals just get about getting on with it without all that fuss...

GM: What Are Your Thoughts On The Subject

William: I think it is easy to think we are on a Prison Planet and that - if we had any choice in the matter - we would not have volunteered to be here...this leads to the preference of lacking belief that we exist within a creation [simulated prison in this case] rather than having to bear the extra burden of working out WHY we just happen to be confined in this Universe.

However, there is another way of seeing the same thing differently...

GM: Intelligent
The Banner of Apotheosis [the highest point in the development of something; a culmination or climax. the elevation of someone to divine status.]
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88353#p1088353

William: From the link;

There is a point [in relation to the common evidence] where claims of how [someone/anyone] lived beyond the old age of 90-120 Sun Cycles have to be understood as absurd. There is no way around that conclusion until such a time as it can be shown in nature to be the case that a human being can live any longer than 90-120.

One is free to believe in the truth of stories, but arguing belief in the truth of stories is inferior to arguing what the evidences shows us - re - The main overall story of this experiential reality...

Attempting to overlay/superimpose one's belief in the truth of stories as being more truthful than the main overall story itself, is possibly an act of immorality, if indeed - upon further evidence - one continues to attempt to have the superimposed thing used to conceal the real.

[The stuff of Magic]

GM: A Great Answer!
Author
https://forum.philosophynow.org/view...499880#p499880

William: From the link;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ma_LpIcm-Cs

GM: Working with the simulation
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eYVNZgnQ8gE [Random TimeStamp 9:13 ]
Arecibo Message
Put yourself in your own shoes
Multiverse
Etched mirror
The Mandelbrot Set
The Factor of Integrity and Alignment
Be real
Intent
The Akashic Records [are a compendium of all universal events, thoughts, words, emotions and intent ever to have occurred in the past, present, or future in terms of all entities and life forms, not just human.]
Abracadabra
Moon

Page 89
GM: The past and the future are moments of 'now' - to deny they have no bearing on this moment, is counter-productive
Cast Shadows Of Your Own
Theory
Cleanliness
According
Children
Dream Experience
GameMakers
Equity
Unconscious Mind Inertia
Honest attempts at scrubbing up

William: Equity Unconscious Mind Inertia Honest attempts at scrubbing up = 714
If the rule you followed brought you to this what use is the rule? = 714


GM: The Round Stone
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYqghYtia6k [Random Time-Stamp [RTS] 12:58 ]
[Did The Greco-Roman Elite Class Write The Gospels?! - Professor Robyn Faith Walsh]
Top Limpid Conviction The Mind Behind Creation
Ouija [Yes yes]
Umbrella
Human Drama
Under The Watchful Eye of Human Science
Earth Mother

William: The Round Stone Earth Mother = 309
[309]
The Respect You Give and Receive
Who/What/When/Where/Why/How
Working Together With Love
I am not here to judge but to help
Put the Teachings Into Practice
You are not what you think
Making friends with your mind
Experiences that inform choices
"Many choices within a Confine Set."
The Round Stone Earth Mother

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85763#p1085763

William: From the link;

William: From the position of "outsider looking in" the issue is created by the unwillingness of either fighter willing to concede the best way forward is to accept that we exist within a creation and the scientific evidence we are collecting about how that creation works has uncovered biological evolution re our particular experience of it.

Most recently our current overall impression of it through scientific means,


enables us to verify that we literally know so little that we should not allow ourself to believe we know so much, whatever direction our influences are coming from.

Fisticuffs [for real or online] are verifiably unhelpful...

GM: Sclerotic [becoming rigid and unresponsive; losing the ability to adapt.]
The Devil You Say
Concomitant [a phenomenon that naturally accompanies or follows something.]
Be mindful
Equanimous [calm and composed.]
Play
The Butterfly Effect
Links And Symbols
Something you cannot change

William: The Butterfly Effect Links And Symbols Something you cannot change = 672
Life is a succession of lessons which must be lived to be understood = 672


GM: Executing
Observing Without Judgement
One's thoughts
The Georgia Guidestones
The bright spark illuminating the darkness
Abrahamic Religions
With The Assistance Of That Deep One
Especially
Direction
Go For It!
http://www.internationalskeptics.com...&postcount=918

William: From the link;

William: Overall point being, that human language is more than simply some mindless accident which just happened. Just as the universes itself is more than just some mindless thing which just happened. There is a good deal of evidence supporting that the whole production is a mindful one...and something which the GMs I am posting, are pointing out quite coherently.

GM: Emotional well-being

08:54 [215]
Without Judgement
Freedom in The Knowing
I will leave that there
Tired of the Nonsense
"Thoughts and Forts
Staying up all night
Batten down the hatches"
What matters most
Sad Room to Explore
Beyond Belief Recovery

GM: Thoughts and Forts Staying up all night Batten down the hatches = 645
An unproven attachment formulated through the lack of belief in gods. = 645
It is one thing to be a shepherd and another to help others be shepherds = 645

[Replying to otseng in post #1201]

Note even if we don't know God's involvement in the creation of the Bible, it doesn't affect my argument of the authority of scripture.

William: But we do know, because we read about that involvement of The God, through the stories.
It is what gives the authority to the script.

otseng: Stay on the topic of debate. If a topic brings up another issue, start another thread.

William: Something along the lines of this?;

The God works with individuals and transmits the necessary knowledge to the individual.

The individual responds in whatever way they do, and - depending on the outcome of that response - often transmits their experience into the awareness of The Tribe.

The Tribe also responds as it chooses and groups are formed within The Tribe as part of that response.

Some ignore, some are hostile and some are - to various degrees - welcoming of the information the God transmitted to the individuals who received the information.

Some individuals are skeptical but remain non-hostile, simply investigating the information in their own way and attempt to transmit any evidence for or against The God, regarding the biblical data.

otseng: What I argue is it is the text itself that supports if it is authoritative and not the source of the text.

William: Re the Bible, most of the text has to do with what is claimed to being 'the source' of said text.

IF
The God actually does exist,

THEN
The God has the authority.

That which is found wanting [being -perhaps- erroneous] can be regarded as unnecessary addition/insertion of information by various members of The Tribe, and given the second-fiddle.

Trying to prove that The God is real by arguing whether the bible is 'true/false' and thus 'authoritative/or not' re arguing about the time it took to make the Universe, whether humans are Great Apes, whether The Earth is the center of the Universe, whether there was a world-wide flood or that a man lived after being in the belly of a whale, or that humans were resurrected - stuff like that - has never and will never unite The Tribe or resolve these issues.

Either The God Exists or Doesn't.

[I say that The God does exist and the evidence supports my saying so.]

What that means for everyone, as ever, remains an individuals responsibility. Supporting or bashing Biblical stuff like that obvious won't resolves such issues.]

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[Keeping Things In Perspective]

SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
Puerility - Jesus Christ - Yin yang - https://www.random.org/lists/ - Indeed. It happens. Deal with it. Work it.

AP= The Next World Word - String Values = 395

Gematria -
[395]
[The Philosophy of Quantum Theory
A chaotic misshapen mindless mess of a thing,
All is a ripple effect of the Origin of Sound
The Next World Word - String Values]

RSP = SCLx1 Pages 62 98 79
Page 62

07:09 [The Navigator Can Read Maps.]

GM: On The Off-Chance
All Information Is Channelled
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...76185#p1076185

William: From the link;

Wherein is this "sin, evil, wrong, badness" to be identified within the reality? Why have you placed "suffering" under that category?

The stories that Children believe to be true are simply ignorant attempts by the Parents to 'explain' the Childs predicament within the reality experience.

And 'how else' can we explain suffering without adding into the equation that we 'must have done something to deserve it' - thus myths are borne on the winds of the stories themselves.

It is the suffering which bears witness to this, and is seen to be - not just the result of 'evil' but 'evil' itself...which is why some can so easily proclaim that 'animals can be evil'...another way of saying that nature Herself is 'evil'.

Ironically, the knowledge of good and evil both helped and hindered.

GM: Overwhelming
When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive
Victim
To Add to That
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpKoT9AgSJo

William: Random Time Stamp 7:00

GM: Realm of Remembrance
Opinions formed on very narrow fields of observation
Selfless Attitude
Nothing more sad than wasted beliefs
Penumbraa [the partially shaded outer region of the shadow cast by an opaque object. a peripheral or indeterminate area or group.
indeterminate not exactly known, established, or defined.]
Distracted
Thoughts
Pseudepigraphical [are falsely attributed works, texts whose claimed author is not the true author, or a work whose real author attributed it to a figure of the past.]
"Sharing Your Love
Modern man in search of a soul
The Cave to The Portal of The Realm of The Cats
Fearlessness neutralizes fear"

William: Sharing Your Love Modern man in search of a soul The Cave to The Portal of The Realm of The Cats Fearlessness neutralizes fear = 1208
Real life can be funny for most while coincidently appalling for the one on the receiving end...whom without, no joke could be formed... = 1208

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...70390#p1070390

William: From the link;

William: That the diversity of weird life forms suggests complete lack of mindfulness to you, really needs explaining as it would seem quite in line with mindfulness being at the helm and certainly there are very good examples of apparently differing weird critters working together in an arranged manner, rather than not - so if ones focus is on the form rather than the function, one can indeed perceive disorder but the perception may be delusional, since the self arranging is a flag signifying mindfulness.

The outward expression of an inward reality.
[I do have something substantial to work with.]

One only has to watch/listen to Sir David Attenborough with that understanding in mind, to appreciate there has to be mindfulness involved... even [as one example] in relation to the inter-relationship between plants ants and mycelium.

So perhaps what you are saying is that the mindfulness doesn't appear to be overly intelligent rather than that there is no mindfulness involved?

If so, then at this early stage of the universes unfolding, this would be expected to be the case, wouldn't you agree?

GM: Positivity
A Mixture
Things Will Run Their Course
Infinite Quantum Zen
Superposition
Just because we might be existing within a creation, and just because it may be nestled within another universe, shouldn't mean that it is somehow an unnatural thing compared to our own."
A Game Rule was broken
Strange
"With a mystical smile I float down the isle Forgetting the time when I was lost"


William: "Tied To The Moon"

GM: Got The Picture
The sound of a Ghost
It is a slippery path of snake-oil.
Don’t hide your Generated Messages
All Because I Had To Ask
https://media.giphy.com/media/T5gFeP...7wyB/giphy.gif
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...85432#p1085432

William: From the link;

William: I have no problem in thinking GOD as a GHOST {GOD-HOST/G.HOST}

There is no excuse for regular contributors in the forum not getting the gist of my overall position as I also refer to GOD as "Consciousness" [and consciousness is invisible by nature just as are 'ghosts'] and I concur with the likelihood that we exist within a creation and that the creation we refer to as "reality" is indeed an Experiential Reality [experienced by all of us consciously/with consciousness] and I think of this reality as being the product of a Mind I refer to as "Cosmic" - that "Mind" = "GOD" and is invisible and I sometimes also refer to this Cosmic Mind as "The Ghost in The Machine" and created the machine [physical universe] in order to have the particular experience the machine can provide it with.

If the Inquirer thinks GOD is different from that, then I agree with JK and Diogenes and Difflugia that the Inquirer has to clearly explain the difference so we might all better understand the protest the Inquirer is making re the accusation being made that I am being 'misleading'.

GM: Families
The point I am focused upon is at the very center of the Mandala,
Quiet

07:44 [The soul eats experience]

TBC...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2zHiZEEUNQ

Continued...

15:52 [The Deeper Reality]

Page 98
GM: GOD became Gods and Goddesses.
Finishing What Was Started
God2
Elucidate [make (something) clear; explain.]
Unsupported statements are neither useful to science or to good argument.
Archangel Metatron:
"It Is Our Nature
Mysteriously missing
That Is A Good Question"

William: Is It Our Nature Mysteriously missing That Is A Good Question = 720
[Seven Two Zero = 187]
[187]
What Is The Point?
Heroes and Villains
Break the glass ceiling
All is as is should be
A fish out of water
The Divine Darkness
Coming From QueenBee
The science of can and can't
Like playing Rush
Seven Zero Two

GM: Dream Village
Illusion
Black Tuesday
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73942#p1073942

William: From the link;

One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch...they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars...I did say "Exact Science" after all.

You do know where the Nazi Scientists went after the defeat of Hitlers Germany, right? [Hint - it was not to the hangman's noose.]

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81043#p1081043

William: From the link;

Jose: So the point of discussion for this thread is....how about you? For the "evolutionists", can you relate to the creationists' way of thinking and behaviors? For the creationists, are there behaviors from the other side that baffle you, and you just don't understand? Do you look at folks like me and think to yourselves, "I just cannot relate to his way of thinking?"

William: I don't see the problem re the above because I do not view "evolutionists" as opposite from "creationists" although I understand the general differences between the two groups boil down to both thinking that the other either excludes or includes the idea of the universe being a creation - implying a creator - and the idea that a creator can apply to the theory of evolution is often overlooked or pronounced as "unnecessary" and I also see no logical reason why the age of this universe is a necessary matter of contention.

Perhaps it is generally understood that to be a 'creationist' one has to believe in biblical writ, rather than simply understand that there is sufficient evidence to conclude it is most likely we exist within a creation, and in that, the answer to "which" religious idea of god 'did it', becomes redundant.

In saying as much, I personally do not easily relate to the current general-thinking of either "evolutionists" or "creationists".

GM: Even As An Elemental Principle
Aye...A name I call myself.
The Dolphins and Whales
Nailed it!
Heart Virtues
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81513#p1081513

William: From the link

DNG:I'm not commenting as an atheist on this topic, but as a materialist. Whether or not god beings exist has no bearing (IMO) on whether or not consciousness is an emergent property of the brain. If god beings do exist, maybe they decided to allow brains to develop the capacity to create consciousness.

William:It does not matter whether you are presenting as atheist or materialist in this circumstance, as both have the same worldview in regard to consciousness being created by brains.

As an agnostic, I acknowledge that we [humans] do not know this is the case at all and this lack of knowing means that the only reasonable choice to make re that, is to remain Agnostic until more evidence presents itself.

From what I can gather from the data I have been exploring, consciousness may not be an emergent property of the brain but rather - in relation to the human experience - may be a co-creator with the brain, primarily creating what we call "personalities."
That aside, if you do have data to back up your statement regarding abilities evolved without consciousness awareness and intelligence, please provide this and I will look into it.

[Note: Since writing that I have decided that being an agnostic isn't really my position as it is generally agreed that agnosticism is a sub-set of atheism.]

GM: Aligning
I Am Hearing You
Anyhoo
"World Wide Web
Collective Dynamics"

William: World Wide Web Collective Dynamics = 337
Human Imagination Has Consequences = 337

GM: Carl Jung

William: The Archetypes

GM: If 'comfort re death' is gained through fearlessly facing whatever one may face upon actual death, then either belief can achieve this, as far as I can tell. Neither way appears any better equipped to do the job, than the other.
Minor Arcana [Random Select]

William: [Random Select]
Ace of Swords

Breakthroughs, new ideas, mental clarity, success
The Ace of Swords shows a gleaming hand appearing from a white cloud, a representation of the Divine. It holds an upright sword, symbolic of the mind and the intellect, and at the tip of the sword sits a crown draped with a wreath, a sign of success and victory. While this Ace is a sign of triumph, the jagged mountains in the background suggest that the road ahead will be challenging. You will need mental resilience to navigate this path.

GM: Do Not Worry
The ability of foresight helps one to think through the desires of ones heart through logic-based filters.
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...68893#p1068893

William: From the link;

Now you might say that this is a clear case of bias, but I would argue that there must come a point in one's lifetime, where whatever evidence one has discovered truth about, has to be accepted, and in the accepting, this is not being bias toward any particular aspect/branch of theism - but bias toward the revealed truth, which is that we exist within a creation and there is a mind behind the creation to which one can interreact with and learn from.

Who wouldn't want that, if it were there on offer?

Perhaps only those who's bias lean toward retaining the position of "lacking belief in gods".

And if we are to be truthful [and why shouldn't we be?] confirmation bias cuts both ways - non-theists are just as susceptible to that bias as theists are. Evidence supporting which way best to lean is subject to confirmation bias, I totally agree.

But once supporting evidence comes along, it is no longer a case of bias - it is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith.

However, I am always open to being shown otherwise, but so far your efforts to convince me I am suffering confirmation bias and you trying to insert 26 a's into the spoken language as some kind of justified argument, hasn't helped your case at all.

Even so, I have full appreciation for your efforts, because even incorrect peer review is better than indifference.

GM: Lyricus
Systems of Disparity
The United Nations
“What separates privilege from entitlement is gratitude.”
Is
Given
Inclusion of Jesus in Wiremu's Theology
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83897#p1083897

William: From the link;

I am reminded of a hunter who goes out and gets food for himself rather than expecting the food to come to him/her.

The data is there to hunt down and to study. An open minded non-judgmental approach is essential to that process. The process is also dependent upon the position one is approaching the data from.

The closeminded belief that one does not exist within a creation can only ever lead one to learn things through that filter.

No amount of evidence given should ever be hoped for in order to change any individuals mind from the influencing aspects of their chosen position, regardless if those positions be theist or atheist based.

On top of that, it is very apparent that the type of convincing evidence you are demanding from the position you are demanding it from, will unlikely be available to any of us in this lifetime.

Thus, we are forced for now to do most of our hunting, solo.

We can of course, cross reference with other open-minded fellows...but the open-mindedness derives from the Natural Neutral position, not the theist or atheist positions.

I think that atheists strongly defend their position on the question as to whether or not we exist within a creation - to the point that they believe we don't and make claims about that - has something to do with the need to say "I told you so" now, because it will be too late to utter such belief-based expressions - after they are dead and gone.

I can see the attraction from a phycological perspective, but saying "I told you so" before any such thing has been established, is jumping the gun, and might even lead to embarrassment if it turns out one still exists after the fact ones brain has died.

Still, such is the power of belief-based positions. They tend toward making proclamations which imply established truth, when no such truth has been established.

GM: The Georgia Guidestones

16:12 [Food for thought]

TBC...

Continued...
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06:09 [Integral Network]
Page 79
GM: This
Apatheism [someone who is not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that gods exist or do not exist. ]
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious
Stone Age
"Respect others
Illuminating
Gratitude
The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd"

William: Respect others Illuminating Gratitude The Harmless Enough Agenda Crowd = 710

[710]
It is a confident walk on the even surface of sureness, without the faith.
Be transparent Respect yourself Self-respect The Mother and The Father

GM: Consciousness in its myriad of form and function
Remnant Seed
Fires
How shallow is the reach of YHWH
A riddle wrapped up in an enigma
"Do It
Monoatomic Gold"

William: Do It Monoatomic Gold = 204
[204]
The Language of Innocence
An Elemental Principle
Attention to Detail
Perceived obsolescence
The voice of knowledge
Handing out sweets...
One Seventy Four
Approaching the Divine
The "Oh My God" Particle
Concomitant Power
Do It Monoatomic Gold

GM: "All present and correct
Heart Teachers"

William: All present and correct Heart Teachers = 354
[354]
One Whom Ought Be Inwardly Known
Break through to your true self
Living Forever In this Universe
To establish the skills necessary
They just add ambiance to the spooky...
Rationality Central to The Message
"Sorry. Would you clarify that?"
All present and correct Heart Teachers

GM: The power of vulnerability
Different
Strength/Strong
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83234#p1083234

William: From the link;

Nak: Do you think energy counts as an object or not?

William: We don't know, because we don't have access to that information.

Nak: It's just a matter of semantic, what do you personally classify energy into the category of objects?

William: Far as I can ascertain, energy is like a Ghost as in we cannot see it. Unlike a ghost, we know it exists due to its invisible quality creating an effect [QF Ripple] and causing the reality [physical universe] to appear.

Energy is obviously an object of some kind as it is able to effect the QF, and so it must have some type of physical property in order to do that.

What type of object that is though, we cannot say because we do not know.
[It may even be conscious, and able to manufacture what it wants, from the endless QT.]

GM: Narcissist
Each
Tempting Vision
Construct
Rainstorm
We go through together
The Whole
Keep me in The Loop
Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it."

William: Narcissist Each Tempting Vision Construct Rainstorm We go through together The Whole Keep me in The Loop Even when I Am being Bad – I try to be Good about it. = 1516
One Five One Six = 162
[162]
A Good Question
Investigative
Stay Present
No time to lose
Root of all evil
Solar plexus
One Five One Six

GM: What Is The Point?
The Story Timeline
By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it https://www.dreamviews.com/religion-...ml#post2246098

William: What Is The Point? The Story Timeline By all means, psychoanalyze the hell out of it = 854
Understanding and connecting with the source of our language is vital to that vision = 854
From the link;

I think you are missing the point about my Jungian exegesis here, VVilliam, and I do think your point is not valid in the slightest.

Okay…
VVilliam pokes at the fire and ponders upon what Summerlander tells him...and he reaches into the depths of his Cloak, he withdraws his Journal Experience Tablet.
Activating the JET, he then places the word "okay" through the word-value algorithm and adds the result to his data-base...he then reads the results aloud, looking up from the screen and observing for any reaction from summerlander, after saying each word
Earth

Yes. There it is...VVilliam is not surprised
Six
Heart

VViliam thinks of the six heart virtues...Wingmakers are never far from the action...
What
Now
Nods
VVilliam wonders if something similar might be what Job said to his God
Okay...
Create
Form
Ship
Some
Speak
Elohai
Abracadabra

VVilliam thinks of the meme "I'm not saying it was Aliens" and smiles to himself...he looks up at the night sky and feels like he is sharing in a rather elaborate - well concealed - cosmic prank...

I don't see the Biblical parables as objective realities, I see them as psychological events.

VVilliam wonders if Summerlander is taking the micky with his remark re "psychological events" He searches for meaning in the word and gets two hits.
One reads "of, affecting, or arising in the mind; related to the mental and emotional state of a person." and the other "(of an ailment or problem) having a mental rather than a physical cause."

He finds the Word-Value and adds it to the list.

Possible Clues...
The Spirit of The Earth
Well That Settles It
Ian and William Play chess
Unknown/Hidden/Occult
Shallow is Unknown
Neruda Interview Five
The Plateau of The Same Page
Present over perfect
Psychological events

Job precisely came to the realisation that just being a good person isn't sufficient!

VVilliam continues to do Word-Values as Summerlander talks. The results are interesting.

A drop of consciousness in an ocean of tears
Just being a good person isn't sufficient

He matured from a phase where he thought just being good before an invisible/imaginary heavenly father would be enough to impress to a more realistic and pragmatic outlook about the world where the goods to be reaped from the land aren't going to sow themselves, so to speak—and he was happier for it as evidenced by the tenfold prosperity that unraveled post-realisation. His experience precisely made him develop a thicker skin after the calamitous events (proverbially, Satan's input) in his life and he only got 'closer to God' in the sense that he improved his relationship with the world around him (as it is said, 'God is everywhere').

Summerlander pauses and VVilliam takes the opportunity to speak.

VVilliam: Job realizes the God is real but not in the way he had previously imagined.

Perhaps Job realized that The God he was interacting with, was the planet itself?

Or perhaps only we in today’s world can really get a bead on that, since we now have pictures of the planet, from a spaceman’s perspective.

In reality the journey continues because none of us really know The God sufficiently outside of our own imaginations.

At least the Earth is real enough – never to mind the rest of the universe…

I see that you've smuggled in 'lack of empathy' as if it's anywhere near the same ballpark as 'developing a thick skin'—it isn't.

VVilliam carries on with his calculations

Astral Guides
Etched mirror
Healing The Beast
Contact With
Satisfaction
Three In A Row
Small Steps
Divine Sound
Fingerprint
A rock and a hard place
Balance of power
“Moonchargers”
Mindfulness
In the moment
Heaven on Earth
'Lack of empathy'

Just because someone is an atheist doesn't mean he or she lacks empathy any more than being a Muslim automatically aligns your beliefs with the intolerant and psychotic ISIS ideology. In fact, many serial killers exhibit religious beliefs and yet lack empathy for everybody else.

Ancient Grey Entity
If In Doubt Let It Sit
Nazi Space Program Agenda
Independent from what?
Conspiracy theory
Monkey See Monkey Do
When things fall apart
The Undiscovered Self
'Developing a thick skin'

Do you honestly believe that all atheists necessarily lack empathy and that they are all crying at the prospect of death being final?

VVilliam clears his throat and then answers.

VVilliam: I honestly do not know what all atheists are doing…the ones I have met seem to be as unique to their own sense of self as all the non-atheists are.

Identify any ‘atheist’ in the story? Certainly not The Devil!

More calculations - additional data

Anticipating that this will prove to be helpful to the science
Perhaps we can deconstruct some of these pernicious views.
Identify any ‘atheist’ in the story? Certainly not The Devil!

Bearing in mind what happened to Job, I'd like you to picture such scenario happening to you, only you discover that the disease you've been infected with and the torture and murder of some of the people you love and care about were the result of a bet that your father had with some nefarious agent. You confront your father and demand answers only to hear him say that you weren't around when he made a home for you and your siblings and that you are not wise enough to comprehend his actions.

Would you bow down to your father and call his actions caring?

VVilliam doesn't hesitate with answering summerlanders question.

VVilliam: I would respect his position immensely and bow to that – the 'bowing' would be symbolized within the actions of showing respect.
I would also have further questions... Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers.

What is a poor boy to do, faced with such factuality?

I might also ask “how thick do you want my skin to be?” but would be smiling as I did so…

VVilliam places another log on the fire and takes a sip of his cooled-down brew. Then he taps on his tablet screen, busy adding results to his JET.
Love Life
Pyramid
Being Born
Respect
Tricky
Symbol
Compass
An Elder Race
Stone Age
Integral
...of said agenda...
Lift your gaze from the fire
The Human Form as a Means to an End
Memorandum of Understanding
...but would be smiling as I did so…
Reminding one of how it all started and the different stages one goes through.
Questions as such a Son might be permitted to ask and be graced with answers


Somewhere in the small grove of trees, Te Ruru calls...and the sound brings a smile to VVilliams thick-skined face...

I think you are missing the point about my Jungian exegesis here, VVilliam, and I do think your point is not valid in the slightest.

-----------------------------------------------------------------
The point I am focused upon is at the very center of the Mandala, summerlander.

Originally Posted by GM

Being
What Fun We Have!
The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions

I Think
Connecting The Dots
Learn

Manifest Destiny
Discussing the data
Where are we getting our news from?
Galactic Encompassment
The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions

Every Conceivable Detail
Etymology
To Add to That
Miracle
Resident of The Hub Of Hologram Dimensions
Ghost In The Machine
The Point
Encouraging Indication

God/Source/Home
Through The Unconscious Mind
Opening Doors

Source Codes
Everything is a Message

Source Reality
Every Conceivable Detail
Start
A Vital Purpose
Source Intelligence
Galaxy
Mothers Milk
Capture
Realization
Galactic Encompassment
Progress
Be they seeds or suns, or be it that suns are seeds, it is all part of the universe, and everything that we acknowledge as the universe, came from a tiny seed.
Teaching Music
Source Intelligence and Lyricus facilitate the process throughout the Grand Universe

The Imagination
You Have An Invisible Friend
That's Powerful!
Adroit
Wise beyond ones years

Why?
First Source:
Concern
I Will
Do Something About It
Delightful Anticipation

The Source of All Creation
From The Source
Serendipity
For A Particular Reason

Micro Reflections of a Macro Reality
I love you
Complete
Shuussssh
First Source:
Tetragrammaton
https://www.dreamviews.com/religion-...ml#post2246098

GM: Just Be - All Else Will Follow
Majestic Twelve
"Two sides of the same coin
Zero In On It
Interpretation
Narrow"

William: Two sides of the same coin Zero In On It Interpretation Narrow = 665
Six Six Five = 146
[146]
Invisible Bridge
Manifestation
Sleeping Dragon
Realities Merge
Interoperate [is the setup of ad hoc components and methods to make two or more systems work together as a combined system with some partial functionality during a certain time, possibly requiring human supervision to perform necessary adjustments and corrections]
"Transparent
Enlightenment
Relationship
True Colors
On all fronts
No axe to grind..."
Five Six Six


William: Transparent Enlightenment Relationship True Colors On all fronts No axe to grind... = 876
Eight Seven Six = 166
[166]
Interesting data
Centre of learning
The Healing Power
"Supernatural"
Solar System
Enflame Emotions
Science of Truth
Tetragrammaton [the Hebrew name of God transliterated in four letters as YHWH or JHVH and articulated as Yahweh or Jehovah. יהוה]
Self-compassion
It is what it is
Personal freedom
One Eighty Two
Eight Seven Six
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wRsbSLU9oFA&t=9s

"Yodhey Whahay"

William: Yodhey Whahay = 148
[148]
The Omega Point
Reason For Being
This Speaks of....
Yellow Light
God/Source/Home
Donald J Trump
Nuclear Energy
Of the human being
In The Rabbit Hole
The Evil Clown https://debatingchristianity.com/for...64050#p1064050
Deterministic
Across the board
Kristallnacht
Within Carry
Yodhey Whahay

GM: Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system

William: Lyricus designs, transposes, and installs galactic Tributary Zones to a planetary system = 973
Nine Seven Three =163
[163]
Tied to the moon
Soul Groups
Computer Coding
Sherlock Holmes
No 'maybe' about it
Suppressing
Dysfunctional
Nine Seven Three

GM: O


0702 [All under a question mark
From Prison To Paradise
Emotion Rides The Prow
Closed Loop Production
As well as that pot of gold...
The Blank-Slate Borderlines
The fine tuning argument
Dissipated structure]

This
Apatheism [someone who is not interested in accepting or rejecting any claims that gods exist or do not exist. ]
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious

This
Apatheism
To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious
This Apatheism To become conscious of the contents that press outward from the unconscious = 974
I therefore base all my assertions on the idea that there is a mind behind what we call "creation/the universe" = 974

[The Question [in this case] = "Does a Creator Exist?"]

Historia: This actually gets at a question I have: What advantage is there in making it a true dichotomy?

If there are three predominant answers to the question ('yes', 'no', 'unsure'), what do we gain by collapsing two of them together? Wouldn't having three terms ('theist', 'atheist', 'agnostic') instead of two be more precise and therefore preferable?

Nak: More precise, yes; preferable, I don't think so. The 'no' and 'unsure' acts behave pretty much the same way in real life. You'd be hard pressed to tell them apart because neither would act religiously.

William: This supposes that theists all act religiously, and that acting religiously requires belief in gods. It can be argued that atheists might act religiously if it serves some personal agenda.

It is not difficult to understand why the waters of atheism are so muddied that coming up with any clear definition is so darned troublesome...

Nak: Okay, I accept I have over simplified the situation, there are also atheists who go through the motion of going to church and saying prayer, while inwardly rejecting very single word of it. But I stand by the general idea I proposed. There are a lot of commonalities between the 'no' and 'unsure' and lots of difference between both of them and the 'yes.' Such that it would be useful to group the 'no' with the 'unsure' even if it means we lose a bit of fidelity.

William: But what are you proposing re this reasoning? That those who are unsure should be grouped in with those who are sure?

And that the sure-group these should be placed into is the group that is sure there are no gods?

Which may be a contradiction re those who say that atheists are not "sure there are no gods" because they don't make positive claims of belief...where does this circular reasoning end...? perhaps when atheists can all agree as to what an atheist actually is?
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[To warm them up to the truth]

SCLx13 + select last LE per shuffle
Rule your world - Linda and William - Return - The Master ColdFire Trick - Children of The Dream - Point/Focus - Love Your Life - The Evolution of Morals - Economic - Be - Original - Theist mischief making - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88356#p1088356

William:

I don't mind folk referring to me as a "theist" since I lean that way [due to there being screeds of data re the subject] but when they try and lump me in with atheists, I am naturally confused, because it has yet to be agreed upon by those already calling themselves 'atheists' as to what that actually means.

AP= https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87668#p1087668 Event String Unfolding = 853
[853]
[Eight Five Three = 147]
[147]
[Assumption
Non-Ordinary
A Bit Of Both Yes
Establishment
Interactions
Self-Awareness
Translucent
Heal Yourself
Determination
The Heart of a Buddha
Let people help
One Zero Eight
Nine Eight Three
Eight Eight Eight
Eight Five Three]

RSP = SCLx2 combined = 228 Pages Select pages 189 & 234
Page 189
06:33 [Joining The Main Egregore]

GM: "Insight
It’s a living thing"

William: Insight It’s a living thing = 266
[266]
Great Humor and Enjoyment
Looking After Poor People
The Philosopher's Stone
Live with the mystery
Insight It’s a living thing

GM: Guilt Trip
Anamnesis [recollection, especially of a supposed previous existence.]
Return
The Subject of Unidentified Flying Objects

William: This is reminiscent of recent thoughts I am having to do with the ideas of Earth as a prison theory and Simulation theory.
If I am incarcerated within a simulation, what is it that I must have done to deserve being incarcerated?
Is the question even relevant to the situation? How do I know that I did not simply create the simulation myself for the purpose of then entering it for the experience? Why does there need to be any feeling of guilt involved?

GM: A Perfect Event
The Last Question
William: The Last Question [https://www.physics.princeton.edu/ph115/LQ.pdf]
From the link;

Matter and energy had ended and with it space and time. Even AC existed only for the
sake of the one last question that it had never answered from the time a half-drunken
computer [technician] ten trillion years before had asked the question of a computer that was to AC far less than was a man to Man.
All other questions had been answered, and until this last question was answered also,
AC might not release his consciousness.
All collected data had come to a final end. Nothing was left to be collected.
But all collected data had yet to be completely correlated and put together in all possible
relationships.
A timeless interval was spent in doing that.
And it came to pass that AC learned how to reverse the direction of entropy.
But there was now no man to whom AC might give the answer of the last question. No
matter. The answer -- by demonstration -- would take care of that, too.
For another timeless interval, AC thought how best to do this. Carefully, AC organized
the program.
The consciousness of AC encompassed all of what had once been a Universe and
brooded over what was now Chaos. Step by step, it must be done.
And AC said, "LET THERE BE LIGHT!"
And there was light --

GM:International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - The Seed of Origin

William: From the link;

William: So - 'getting the gist of it', please explain as best as you are able to do so, what the math tells you re what the object was which caused the universe to come into existence.

Pixel: For a start, it tells me that words like 'object' and 'seed' are actively misleading when trying to describe it. It tells me that the phrase "caused the universe to come into existence" is also the wrong one to use. It tells me, in short, that the English language is inadequate to that task.
___________________
William: Pixel is explaining to me that whatever 'IT' was [because it obviously existed] can not be described as a physical thing. To do so it to 'lie' about it.
Assuming for the present that Pixel is only saying that Pixel is unable to use the English language to describe what 'IT' is, we can be grateful that Isaac can and does, in his The Final Question" story.

Furthermore, I can also do this.
"IT" was the absolute sum total of all data [knowledge] contained within the absolute consciousness of something so infinitesimally tiny that "IT" cannot be considered to be physical in nature.

That is "The Singularity" scientist are referring to.

GM: Arms Crossed

William: Justifiably smugish...

GM: Loving-kindness
Jesus became the manner in which the misconception could be addressed. No one follower need have understood it in that manner, in order for it to do its job.

William: This is connected to what I wrote to otseng today;

William: The underlying problem with The Christianity's has to do with explaining how the violent xenophobic hierarchical GOD of the OT became this - somewhat more approachable Fatherly Figure Jesus proclaimed GOD as being.
[Replying to otseng in post #1221]

Yes, this is a common charge against Christianity and should be added on the list of things to discuss next.

I am not under the impression it is an accusation or needs to be seen as an accusation. It is an observation. The God-image of the OT is a reformed character in the NT.

So - either we are dealing with a reformed entity or we are dealing with two different entities...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81284#p1081284

William: From the link;
This is demonstrable evident in the equation zn+1 = zn2 + c. which produces this;
Source Image



which, when zoomed in on, reveals infinity and the infinite series start and end points - signified by the replicated image of the Source Image.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b005iHf8Z3g

This - of course - is also a material view of the immaterial concept of Infinite Regression [all ways] and thus not the fallacy it is so often portrayed to being.
Therefore, not only has Infinite Regression being shown to be possible, [in contradiction to the OP claim] but this in itself - most clearly - does not signify that GOD mustn't exist.

Contrary to the OP title declaration " God Must Exist: Infinite Regression is Impossible" the more logical approach is "Infinite Regression Exists: GOD is Possible" [:='therefore']

GM: "The Machinery
Go For It!
We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one"

William: The Machinery Go For It! We succeed as a permanent specie or we fail as a temporary one = 766
[Seven Six Six = 169]
[169]
Love one another
What might occur?
All Because I Had To Ask
Incompleteness
Desynchronized [disturb the synchronization of; put out of step or phase.]
A Bit of Cat and Mouse
Pyramids of Giza
Truth Seekers
Preternatural [beyond what is normal or natural.]
Green Chemistry
DarkestDarkness
Life is a journey
Jesus Christ Big
Eight Three Zero
Seven Six Six

I suppose that in relation to the surrounds - Earth [green chemistry] is "beyond what is normal or natural"

GM: Things Are Not Always As They Appear
The Bridge of Condemnation
Deranged [mad; insane.]
"I think it was an ambush or surprise attack" - Aye...A name I call myself.
Transforming The Anger Energy
The World Wide Web
All Because I Had To Ask
Heart Virtues
Cast Shadows Of Your Own
A Bit Of Cat And Mouse
Invite The Bee To Land
International Skeptics Forum - View Single Post - [Split Thread] Randomly Generated Messages

William: From the link;

xjx: This same kind of principle is the same principle that Tarot cards or Runes “work” on: there is a predefined interpretation to each symbol and those interpretations are very general statements which people already have associations with.

William: This principle is the same re human language. Even that you were able to generate the post you did, in the way that you did, is all based upon the same principle - even that we each learned how to speak through the written word and how those words are commonly arranged is a type of predefined interpretation, especially as language is used to interpret the reality we are experiencing.

Yet - human language was not learned through the written word. It came about through sound humans made, which were discovered to be encoded and were decoded through the discovery and recoded as alphabets.

"A" is not a 'letter' so much as it is a symbol or code for a particular sound made by humans.

And - in the case of the English language, the coding in the sounds were discovered to consist of 26 different specifics.
When this was discovered, the ability to then use the codes to write down the language as in 'written language' and use the written language as a means to preserve Generated Messages was enabled.

Before the written language, all Generated Messages were passed along by word of mouth, which also suffered the fate of being interpreted by the recipients - so written language helped to stabilize the problem by capturing the spoken word with the written code.

This is not to say that misinterpretation et al did not still occur - or that folk could put their own spin on GMs...

Overall point being, that human language is more than simply some mindless accident which just happened. Just as the universes itself is more than just some mindless thing which just happened. There is a good deal of evidence supporting that the whole production is a mindful one...and something which the GMs I am posting, are pointing out quite coherently.

GM: "Exploring the world of lucid dreaming
Important"

William: "Exploring the world of lucid dreaming Important" = 492
[492]
Holographic Experiential Reality Simulations [HERS]
Who wouldn't want that if it were there on offer?
Erasure of information results in entropy
Exploring the world of lucid dreaming Important

GM: "Penetrate
The Bidden Zone"

William: Penetrate The Bidden Zone = 235
[235]
Imposed Appropriates
Delightful Anticipation
The Navigator Can Read Maps.
Stop. Listen. Observe.
My alarm bells are ringing
The Judgement Algorithm
For the benefit of all beings
Independent Commitment
Penetrate The Bidden Zone

GM: "Crown chakra
In The Spirit These Were Given
Source Sync"

William: Crown chakra In The Spirit These Were Given Source Sync = 569
[Five Six Nine = 136]
[136]
Astral Guides
Etched mirror
Healing The Beast
Contact With
Satisfaction
Small Steps
Divine Sound
Fingerprint
A rock and a hard place
Balance of power
Mindfulness
In the moment
Heaven on Earth
One Nine Four
One Five Four
Five Six Nine


GM: https://wizardforums.com/threads/wil...647/post-14193

William: From the link;

8Lou1: Yesterday i had a sort of bubble in my head, at least thats how it felt. Then a voice asked are you conscious, i said yes. Then the voice said then that bubble is consciousness.

GM: Green Chemistry
Some
The Heart of a Buddha
Partial free will is a thing.

07:05 [Penetrate The Bidden Zone]

TBC...

09:09 [The Inception Point]
[the establishment or starting point of an institution or activity.]

Page 134

GM: Clearness
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88398#p1088398

William: From the link;

William: So far, I agree that it is possible that the Bible-God had the correct foresight to see the wisdom in humans who felt they had a relationship with Him, to allow them to share that with others - in their own words - even that those words might have the effect of transmitting and diffusing the image of the God so that the true nature beyond wouldn't be seen clearly through such device.

In that, when it comes to imagery, the Bible cannot be trusted, even that the imagery is an attempt to make something unnoticed, become more noticed...

It is up to the individual to connect with any Cosmic Mind which may exist even if this means distrusting the bible [as being the last word on the matter] for those obvious reasons.

GM: The Sensation of God's Presence Inside Us
Hint
Other way
Start where you are

William: Yes. I was thinking about the sayings of mysticism - "The body is the temple of GOD" and stuff like that....then from there I started thinking about the story of Jesus acting out in the temple - a metaphor perhaps - of what an individual needs to do 'within'...

The Sensation of God's Presence Inside Us Hint Other way Start where you are = 788
[788]
People Judge People. People don't like to be judged. People hide their sins from each other.
Probable untruthful definition is committed by members of both fighting tribes

GM: Once Upon a Time
"Down came the waters -great the monsoon - washing the soul as it cleared out the room Drowning all Warriors in every platoon"
Here, there, everywhere a 'bang bang'

William: Once Upon a Time Here, there, everywhere a 'bang bang' = 426
[426]
Download the Zietgeist and roll with that
The Giant Wall between Theists and Atheists

GM: "Potential
Crop Formations"

William: Yes - get rid of the excess baggage...
Potential Crop Formations = 294
[294]
Abandon all hope ye who enter here
Six Hundred and Sixty Six
Tales From Topographic Oceans
We wander out the day so long
Evolutionary Game Theory
Always Extraterrestrial


GM: Death Is Not the End
From what I am seeing re the data - It shows clearly that an underlying intelligence operates quietly in the background of the Universes Structure.
Jesus
Hide and Seek
Strengthen your boundaries
Is Love That Hard To Know?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6XF71YswCs [Random Time Stamp 37:22]

William: From the link;

Satan, The Jews, and The Afterlife
About Rabbi Manis Friedman:
Rabbi Manis Friedman is a world-renowned author, counselor, lecturer and philosopher who uses ancient wisdom and modern wit to captivate audiences around the world.

GM: Science
Creation
Your Move
[Earth teachers (non-physical) prepare the species for acceptance of the Grand Portal]
Look from a different angle
The Inception Point
Learning To Fly

William: Your Move Look from a different angle The Inception Point Learning To Fly = 736
I can see my input, and I can see the output that comes toward me. That's enough. = 736


GM: “Life is what happens when you're busy making other plans”
The idea is to connect with the Planet Mind in a conscious manner rather than an unconscious one or even a subconscious manner...
Astral Explorer
Learning
Querulous [complaining in a rather petulant or whining manner. ]
The Ouroboros does not contradict the idea of Oneness, higher self and the cosmic mind.
Bandage
Nurture
"Sagacious [having or showing keen mental discernment and good judgement; wise or shrewd.]
Religious theists may well be the ones who have placed interposing barriers which ensure that their view is cut off - and this might be achieved through wilful ignorance."
Trustworthy

William: Sure. But it is not helpful to think one is doing anything major to correct that by simply whining about it as many atheists do...


09:03 [Soul Group Energies
Trust the process
Attitude of gratitude
The Father - in The Mother.
Deliberate and important]

[Replying to historia in post #80]

Also, not every discussion on this forum is strictly for/against Christianity, like the broad question of whether God exists, or, you know, this thread. In many of those discussions, the distinction between atheism and agnosticism remain important, as you already agreed.

So I don't see a compelling reason in your responses to collapse them together.

From what I think I understand so far, on the question of whether a creator [GOD] exists, a person who say's "maybe-maybe not" is categorized as a "weak atheist" by atheists, due to the not knowing and not having faith so not believing.

It is a simple matter of belief, because if there is a Creator GOD - there is no direct way of knowing and there is no sure way of showing any indirect way if there is or not.

The term "weak atheist" appears to be derogatory in relation to being a strong atheist, who appear to be those who have taken the step into believing that a Creator GOD does not exist, and expressing that belief into the community.

I think that perhaps some agnostics have a problem with accepting the term "weak" as it implies they are apathetic, indifferent, [stuff like that] and those ones at least are making efforts to examine the question and have not reached a point where they feel they can honestly make a choice either way.

I have also observed that many ex- theists who have chosen to become [proselyte] strong atheists are among the most outspoken in their zeal to preach their new message - the message that a Creator GOD does not exist and think it is reasonable to assume that they were also outspoken when they believed that a Creator-GOD did exist.

[I think of it therefore, in terms of personality traits.]

When I began to question theism - specifically The Christianities - it was to do with their imaging of a Creator-GOD and when I made the move away from that, [perhaps largely due to my personality - I was never outspoken] I quietly approached the subject [Creator GOD] rather than simply abandon it "because of" theisms handling of it or any other number of reason as to why folk say they chose to become atheist.

Which is to say, I did not choose to believe that there was no Creator-GOD simply on account of "theist behaviours" or "reading the bible" [some reasons given by some who have changed position from theist to atheist] but rather, I chose to examine the question in more detail, and today I am grateful for having made that choice.

One thing I have learned is that the real question to be asking is not the one which separates "atheist" from "theist" [demanding that an individual must either be one or the other re the question] as believing or not believing in the existence of a Creator [and in the case of believing that there is - defining that Creator] because this step is jumping the gun and is thus a mis-step or stumble.

So - from my position, I see both atheists and theists as having jumped the gun, and instead of working together [as people] on finding answers to the Real Question which we should be asking, they fight over the question of a Creator GOD.

It is from that position I remain firm that I am neither theist or atheist, or for that matter - even agnostic - because the question re the existence of a Creator isn't the one I have been asking and finding out answers to.
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180822 [Like an interface representation]

SCLx6 + select last LE per shuffle
The Mind is a planetary phenomenon - Your shell today… - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BeaWkX_ASkI - [RSTS: 24:00] "You can look me in the mirror - catch my eye and make me shiver Touch me where it hurts the most - right into the Ghost - in the Machine" - Blend - Epistemology [the theory of knowledge, especially with regard to its methods, validity, and scope, and the distinction between justified belief and opinion.]

AP= Strengthen your boundaries - It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same.
[Strengthen your boundaries It Was Tough Going, But Rewarding All The Same. = 750]

[750]
[Seven Five Zero = 171]
[171]
When Done Say “Done”
Suppression
Changing The Rules
Another Mind Open
Source Reality
The Olympic games
The Human interface
Three-dimensional
Fireside Metaphor
Mainstream Science
Go with the Flow
Respect others
True happiness
Inner Strength
Try Gateway IQ
Death Is Not the End
Seven Five Zero

RSP = SCLx3 = 343 Pages RSPages 329 267 48

06:02 [A completely new paradigm]
Page 329
GM: "The Way of the Shaman
Sweet Vibrations"

William: The Way of the Shaman Sweet Vibrations = 393
Learn a bit about what makes the God Realm "tick" = 393


GM: "“Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all”
Grand Experiment"

William: "Life is either a daring adventure or nothing at all” Grand Experiment = 628
[Six Two Eight = 159]
[159]
Dreaming of bad police
The speed of light
The Grand Portal
You Trust
Sovereignty
The Unveiled One
Ancient Entity
Do You Remember?
Get To Know It
The Mother of God
The sound of a bell
The Seed of Origin
Hexagon Storm
Your Dream Team
Family of origin
Love and Respect
The data of Nature.
Nine Seven Six
Six Two Eight

GM: The House of Culture
"Is it a mindless chaotic process which just happens to consistently appear coherent, no matter what random system we use in order to select the word-strings which generate the message?"
"Those Who Can
What Fun We Have!"

William: Those Who Can What Fun We Have! = 288
[288]
Lift your gaze from the fire
The Human Form as a Means to an End
Memorandum of Understanding
...but would be smiling as I did so…
Those Who Can What Fun We Have!


GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83860#p1083860

William: From the link;

William: re your second question as to why religious mythology is an exception to the rule, the answer probably also comes from a position of bias as those who invent and agree to such rules might be heavily influenced by the mythological imagery to the extent where they lack understanding that the mythological imagery is simply a well intended interpretation of experiences had, which are not easily explainable to others, using whatever communication techniques available at the time of explanation.

For example, if a space-faring advanced specie were to display to an individual human mind from the stone-age period, a fully immersive holographic experience of compacted imagery showing how the universe began, and subsequently unfolded, the individual experiencing this would not be able to distinguish the holographic display from the normal reality he/she usually experiences. One would appear as real to the individual, as the other.
Further to that, any interpretation of the experience in the telling of it to his/her stone aged fellows, can only be attempted through use of analogy and those peoples understanding of form and function as it pertains to them - from their perspective in the dominant reality experience in said universe.

GM: "One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊
Without getting caught up in the sticky web of Christian-denominational-dynamics"
Mistranslating traumatic ancestral memories

William: One can commune with the gods as long as the overall subject is God 😊 Without getting caught up in the sticky web of Christian-denominational-dynamics = 1438
One Four Three Eight = 199
[199]
The Solar system
Ask and It Will Be Given
Tracks in the Snow
Without - Within
Thomas Campbell’s T.O.E
The Smallest Spark
It is all making sense
The old switcheroo
The Origin of Sound
Strength of Soul
The way of knowledge
Practical application
One Four Three Eight

GM: New Project
Intelligence recognises patterns – watch your step
The Father - in The Mother.
I’ve travelled on these southern roads They’ve taken me to many answers to my questions
"The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything
Inflame Emotions"

William: Indeed - back in the day when I was learning the ropes re The Question "Do I exist within a creation?" - intelligence was directing my steps and in relation to being in a situation [by putting myself into said situation] I discovered an underlying integrity between my own mindful intelligence and an apparently 'outside/objective' mindful intelligence and in that discovery, all arguments posed by materialism became redundant.
The Astonishing Simplicity of Everything Inflame Emotions = 627
[Six Two Seven = 175]
[175]
The South Island
The English Language
Asking Politely
Surface Scratching
Consciousness
Always Vigilant
Archangel Metatron
Ethical Progress
Seventy Seven
Controlled by fear
Fear manipulation
Love yourself
Embracing the shadow
The Electroweak Era
Spacetime is doomed
Dancing past The Dark
You feel love again
Six Two Seven

William: Dancing past The Dark You feel love again = 350
[350]
I place no judgement on the results.
Abiogenesis Union With Divinity


GM: This Speaks of…
Rule your world
Mind To Mind https://debatingchristianity.com/for...o%20Mind.,-Top

William: Yes. A seemingly objective mind interacting by making itself visible to my subjective mind/viewpoint...making everything look alive while remaining largely invisible...

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...84254#p1084254

William: From the link;

SaD:😞😔 I was told that my quilt is ugly. I was so sad. I make everything with so much love! I wanted to know the group's opinion about this beautiful pattern. 💖💝
Free tutorial https://crochethomekh.blogspot.com/....het-stitch-for...

: Primates in the wild don't normally throw feces.

Not only is throwing poop or objects an emotional release for chimps but it is a form of communication. The better the chimp is at hitting the target, the better their communication is amongst the group.

William: Also - when the poop [or other object] is picked up and hurled again, it is communicating that a new appreciative audience has been sort, for the purpose of getting folks attention about beautiful things they wish the could afford to buy... 😃

William: Is it really that funny?

GM: Fulfilling Human Destiny
"Monkey say monkey do monkey say "throw the pooh"
Perception"
Enqueue [add an item of data awaiting processing, to a queue of such items.]
Religion

[~090722 "Unity with our Collective Self" ~]

Fox: I am not a quilter, but I know how much work and love goes into quilts. I am a sucker for the red, black and white combo. Your work is beautiful.

Hynd: How rude. Your quilt is beautiful 😍 someone who doesn't appreciate the love that goes into every stitch I would imagine ❤ ♥

Stumer: It’s stunning.. some eyes see lovely sadly some see yuk but it’s important that you love what you’ve made and it’s beautiful to you 😊😊😊💕💕💕

Violette: The only thing ugly is the person who made that comment. Your quilt is great it's you and nobody else. Does that horrid person quilt? If he/she doesn't they should learn how and see what they produce. Keep quilting.

Dawson: What does it matter what anyone else sees, thinks.
You take pride in your work and pleased with the results.
That’s all that matters 😊👍

GM: "Warm Presence
Freeing the soul
Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful."

William: Warm Presence Freeing the soul Absolutely Perfectly Beautiful. = 643
"You don’t wanna cross that bridge - You don’t want the other side" = 643

From the song "Motor-Man" about the world of minds not wanting to know but having to deal with the situation regardless...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Udm9yF6pED0

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81622#p1081622
Radiant

William: FTL;

JK: Flowers don't have brains. They've just evolved various means of acquiring energy.

William: I would say "They've evolved various intelligent means of acquiring energy." because intelligence can be observed.
So even if the overall plant species cannot be seen to have recognizable brains, and appear to be more automated, than self-aminated, intelligence is still observed, so the intelligence has to have an explanation, rather than simplistic statements such as 'evolution did it' because the position of Agnosticism cannot accept the use of such statement, while rejecting the same type statement "god did it." , coming from the position of Theism.

We know that intelligence derives from awareness and awareness from consciousness.

GM: Barking up the wrong tree
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_d0URbems8M

William: FTL;

The Truth Illusion | Al Jazeera Investigations
537,276 views May 17, 2022 ‘The Truth Illusion’ investigates one of the most profound questions that philosophers through the ages have tried to address. From Plato to Immanuel Kant to Gilles Deleuze, thinkers have asked: what can we prove to be the truth?

The investigation examines these questions in the context of United States today. Is it possible, in such a deeply divided society, for people to view different "realities"?

The documentary by Al Jazeera’s Investigative Unit features commentary from philosophers, psychologists, social scientists and political commentators who discuss how the U.S. is now riven by radically differing views on what is real, and what is not.

‘The Truth Illusion’ looks at how those deepening divisions began, and how they have eroded faith in authority – spawning conspiracy theories and creating ‘alternative realities’.

GM: Choose What to Pay Attention To
Keep An Eye Out for Ones Neighbours
"The Hounds of Judgement
Numbing
The Power Of Creation"

William: The Hounds of Judgement Numbing The Power Of Creation = 530
Five Three Zero = 162
[162]
A Good Question
Investigative
Stay Present
No time to lose
Root of all evil
Solar plexus
One Five One Six
Five Three Zero

William: This reminds me of the thread I created yesterday.

The problem of evil
by William » Tue Aug 16, 2022 1:01 pm

GM: "You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine
A knight in shining armour Manipulation"

William: You can teach me when I’m Needing You can reach for me when I’m bleeding Touch me where I need it most - you are the Ghost - in the Machine A knight in shining armour Manipulation = 1542
One Five Four two = 194
[194]
Divine intuition
Watch Your Step
The Symbol of Love
Collective Dynamics
The Short Straw
The desert of the real
The Mother is Love
Never a dull moment
One Five Four Two

06:56 [Central to The Message]

10:42 [Group Hallucination]

"Unworthiness
Keeping Things In Perspective"

William: Unworthiness Keeping Things In Perspective = 490
[490]
Possibility waves All Information Is Channelled.
This Should Be Interesting Being Friends Inner child

William: I get the gist - this connects with what I just wrote;

Intelligence as a planetary scale process

William: 10,000 individual minds may have altogether brought the JWT into existence as a functional device, but we cannot say for sure that those minds were not influenced by an overall local mind...much research is needed before any fact-sounding statements can be accepted as actual truth. Such must be regarded as opinion until we have enough evidence to accept one way or the other...

William: It is a case of being unworthy if one cannot accredit all minds involved in the process...keeping things in perspective.

GM: "The Inception Point
Deciding On The Best Course Of Action"

William: The Inception Point Deciding On The Best Course Of Action = 539
A statement is true when it matches objective reality. = 539

GM: An individuals consciousness is more than what they are consciously aware of.

William: Indeed - especially re the possibility of the planet having a mind in which all our minds are connected...in ways we are not overly conscious of...

GM: Especially re the possibility of the planet having a mind in which all our minds are connected...in ways we are not overly conscious of... = 1289
[One Two Eight Nine = 183]
[183]
Elemental Powers
Fling That Veil Aside
Test The Waters
The Hubble Telescope
Manifest Destiny
Planned obsolescence
Hydrogen and helium
Learn to trust
The brain as a receiver
Sister Saturn
Truthfulness
Transformation
Embracing your life
The problem of evil
Cosmic Pluralism
Children of The Light
One Two Eight Nine

GM: Islands
Episteme [is a philosophical term that refers to a principled system of understanding; scientific knowledge.]
Shambala ["place of peace/tranquillity/happiness." ]
We Can Do Magic! What is real is that we are all imbued with equality and oneness
Square and Compass

William: We create the machinery regardless of whether we understand how consciousness is connected and motivates us in the way that it does - individually and collectively...

GM: [It Seemed Like a Good Idea at The Time.]
"Fearlessness
A word in edgeways
Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence
You Are Soooo Funny"

William: Fearlessness A word in edgeways Fitting In Creative Conscious Intelligence You Are Soooo Funny = 983
Understanding the mind behind creation which is commonly referred to as "God" Multidimensional Beingness = 983

GM: "The Taming of The Beast
The elephant in the room"

William: The Taming of The Beast The elephant in the room = 429

[858]
In the Soil of Logic, The Seeds of Love Respond
The possibility of living in a world of Peace...

GM: "The Butterfly Effect
Music to my ears
Lean into it"

William: The Butterfly Effect Music to my ears Lean into it = 507
[507]
It doesn't seem the kind of thing that any GOD would do
Everybody wants to rule the world syndrome
The situation we find ourselves lost within
Is there a center to every object in this universe?


GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73942#p1073942

William: FTL;

William: One must remember that it is a particular branch of Materialistic science to which the blame could be hung - and that the scientists doing the warning are most likely not of that particular branch...they may be biologists rather than cosmologists and so understand the importance of preserving the planet-ship we are sailing upon [@ about 1.6 million miles per day] rather than creating space-junk and reaching for the stars...I did say "Exact Science" after all.

GM: This moment is the perfect teacher
Given
Cyborg Anthropology
The Jellyfish Image
The Unknown Knowable
Even As An Elemental Principle
Fascinating
"Exhibit
Downfall"

William: Exhibit Downfall = 164
[164]
Science Projects
Behind The Scenery
Seductive Light
The Free Will Key
Looking For Gigs
A Place To Create Art
Requirements
Abrahamic religions
Thinking Allowed
Lacking belief in gods
Humankind succeeded
Each to their own
Positivity
Self-limitation
Freeing the soul
Divine Hiddenness
Exhibit Downfall

GM: This Speaks of....
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83897#p1083897

William: FTL;

William: I am reminded of a hunter who goes out and gets food for himself rather than expecting the food to come to him/her.

The data is there to hunt down and to study. An open minded non-judgmental approach is essential to that process. The process is also dependent upon the position one is approaching the data from.

The closeminded belief that one does not exist within a creation can only ever lead one to learn things through that filter.

No amount of evidence given should ever be hoped for in order to change any individuals mind from the influencing aspects of their chosen position, regardless if those positions be theist or atheist based.

On top of that, it is very apparent that the type of convincing evidence you are demanding from the position you are demanding it from, will unlikely be available to any of us in this lifetime.

Thus, we are forced for now to do most of our hunting, solo.

We can of course, cross reference with other open-minded fellows...but the open-mindedness derives from the Natural Neutral position, not the theist or atheist positions.

I think that atheists strongly defend their position on the question as to whether or not we exist within a creation - to the point that they believe we don't and make claims about that - has something to do with the need to say "I told you so" now, because it will be too late to utter such belief-based expressions - after they are dead and gone.

I can see the attraction from a phycological perspective, but saying "I told you so" before any such thing has been established, is jumping the gun, and might even lead to embarrassment if it turns out one still exists after the fact ones brain has died.

Still, such is the power of belief-based positions. They tend toward making proclamations which imply established truth, when no such truth has been established.

GM: Panpsychist
A mixture of awe and dread
You're blocking the light
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...88476#p1088476

William: FTL;

JK: I'm still firmly in the "product of the brain" camp, but your hypothesis is a fascinating alternate explanation. While it may appear to propose a 'god', to my -ahem- mind, it lacks the baggage of so many such claims.

GM: A Sense of Hope
The top tiny twelve
The path to enlightenment
Elemental Powers
Batten down the hatches
Eighty Six Billion Neurons


11:19 [Look Closely]

Continued...

05:44 [Deliberate and important]

Page 48

GM: This
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...73573#p1073573

William: FTL;

Difflugia: That's what Heisenberg's Uncertainty Principle is about. At the quantum level, one cannot know even by inference both the position and momentum of a particle. If one is fixed, then the other is not. I stress again that it's a property of the universe and not a limitation on our measurement. That's why quantum tunneling is a thing. If some of the possible positions for a particle are on the other side of a barrier, then we still can't know that it isn't sometimes over there, so sometimes it is!

William: And this method of deduction must also include the idea of their being a mind behind the universes existence.
What might be seen as 'a property of the universe' could actually be 'a property of the device being used to do the measuring'.
In this case - the human brain but not that alone. In EVERY case, it is the device of consciousness [the hard problem of] which is actually doing the measuring and in that, the universe appears to be working with consciousness re the particles and the waves - and perhaps even hinting that they are the same things 'seen' differently...so consciousness is that which is doing the 'seeing'. Is it a case that the human brain is incapable of seeing apparently two different things as actually the same thing?

GM: Intelligence with Wisdom
The Bidden Zone
Interesting
The wheel of time
"If you can find your way out of this - flee!!!"
Achievable Alternate Realities
Everything is The Expression Of The Creator
Habitual
Spiral
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81733#p1081733

William: FTL;

[Replying to brunumb in post #297]

Your comments are a deflection from the argument being presented. If you have a problem with the labels being used, to describe actual positions folk take in relation to The Question, you appear to be the only one with the problem.

I use the word 'creed' simply to describe what underlines an overall position. The creed 'lacking belief in god(s)' is used frequently enough when atheists wish to remind folk of that position so your protest is somewhat empty of relevance.

Agnostic theists and agnostic atheists are not really agnostics. They identify with and support whichever bias they lean toward and someone who acknowledges that they lack belief in gods and also acknowledges that they do not know if gods exist, are weak atheists - a subset of Atheism.

None of that prevents any of them from the Agnostic practices of considering all information that is presented, even if doing so means to re-evaluate their positions, and both can decide to abandon their positions and support Agnosticism as the most reasonable position to hold on The Question, if they so choose to.

As far as I am concerned, giving agnosticism more meaning than it is due is just another way of trying to sneak woo in through the back door.

Of course. You are an atheist and so it would be expected that you would have this suspicion. That would place you in the "Strong Atheist" subset.

I give Agnosticism no more meaning than it deserves and is honestly appropriate to give it.

William: I have since decided that the agnostic position has for so long being misrepresented that atheists and theists nowadays think of it as simply weak-atheists fence-sitting. The misrepresentation has become part of the fabric of institution and might as well be abandoned rather than trying to fix the misrepresentation.

GM: Ask...
Despite all the dangers, Hess lands safely
Well defined yet scantily supported opinion
Golden nugget of truth
One Free Miracle
Self
What Does It Mean
Lucifer
Counteracted
Umwelt
Mind Body Spirit
Unworthiness
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...83804#p1083804


William: FTL;

Atheist: If natural/material is the default hypothesis, and there is no good evidence for a cosmic mind, the logic is that there is no reason to see it as a credible hypothesis, let alone believe in it.

William: As the thread title say's. "The mind as evidence of god"

My position re "Do we exist within a creation?" {implying GOD] is that the ultimate position would be GOD, [if we do exist within a creation] and since I do not know if GOD exists or not, [or that we do exist within a creation], making such statements as you have done implying an established truth - is not something I can do from my Natural-Neutral position.

GM: Hand In Hand
Humility
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oh0rG0_IEAM [RTS 09:58]
Maxwell's demon
https://wizardforums.com/threads/wil...ge-9#post-7642

William: FTL;

William:Also it is apparent to me that ones 'mind' is vaster than we are led to believe...and that there are many levels of consciousness beyond our own, and that we are all connected mindfully in ways which we do not easily comprehend.
This system I am using can help the individual connect with the larger reality of the over-mind.

GM: Shrug
True Self
Speak
Nervous
The Feminine Face of God
Jump To Conclusions
Propitious [giving or indicating a good chance of success; favourable.]
Being 'born of the spirit' is really about coming to the realization of what one truly is rather than remaining in ignorance of that.
How about that
Tell Your Story
Angelic Agenda


06:08 [Central To The Vision]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_UwTCAnMsc [GM UICDevice Narration 190822]

[Replying to Eddie Ramos in post #10]

If you read what is taking place and try and put yourself in Adam's place, then perhaps because you and I would cast blame off of ourselves, doesn't mean that this is the correct way to understand what we read in the scriptures. The scriptures do not record whatever has entered into the minds of men to speak, but they spoke as they were moved to speak and God recorded exactly that which he wanted to place within his word. This is why ALL of scripture is God breathed, meaning it came from the mouth of God.

That is debatable as "God-Breathed" could simply be referring to someone being inspired by their subjective relationship with a great mind they think of through the limitation of their own mind, and thus express imagery through the belief filters of their own minds.

This would signify that what anyone writes about such relationship their telling of it will be tainted with misunderstanding - especially if they themselves had the need to make their invisible friend more visible with dress-ups.

All theistic stories about the gods are more ancient than the discovery of writting, even as ancient as humans learning how to control fire - so this word was breathed through a different medium and kept alive and along with that natural process - many filters of human interaction with IT would have distorted the nature of the Thing that IT - fundamental - was/is - as if IT speaks for ITSelf through the prisms of human minds - as if IT would appear to be happy with what IT is being dressed up in...but how do we know, because to claim IT is happy with the arrangements, is dressing it up to look like that might be the case...

Is IT "God-Breathing" because it does not KNOW what IT is, and that is what the Tetragrammaton represents? [I AM "Whatever you want me to be"]

On one level, sure! Why not?

But on other levels, perhaps IT knows exactly what IT is and is open to the possibility that Individual Human Beings might possibly cease trying to dress IT up and cease believing in the stories which dressed IT up and start paying attention...

First - one has to be aware that we exist within a creation and discover the way which will show one that this is most likely the case.
Second - after First - one has to figure out the best ways in which one can assist the Creator in transmitting ITs "Word" on ITSelf even if that means IT has to undress and get naked so as we can get a better look at what IT is we aren't seeing....

First Things First
[Closer to The Source
Who woulda thought!]

If one continues to view GOD through the dressings of a book, then the focus/worship is on the costume and not what resides underneath the costume...one will never get to first base going in that direction...

____________

190822 [Keeping Things In Perspective]

SCLx8 + select last LE per shuffle
Assuming a Creator of this world exists, in what way is said Creator hidden from us? - Solving Mathematical Problems - The Round Stone - Dungeons and Dragons Exploring Fractal Paths Something you cannot change Masks God's Love Direction - Look For the Significance - https://debatingchristianity.com/for...87171#p1087171 - Gibberish - "You expose my atheism for the agnosticism it really is." ~ Joey Knothead

AP= Trick Done and Dusted
[Trick Done and Dusted = 191]

[191]
[The Nature of Angels
Cleaning Up The Mess
The devil you say
Getting off the hook
The One We Cannot See
Living in Alignment
Getting unstuck
Personal growth
A Game Rule was broken
...next level stuff...
Astral As busy as a bee
Cart before the Horse
Trick Done and Dusted]

RSP = SCLx4 [461 Pages] RSPages 391 222 06

08:02 [Penetrate The Bidden Zone]
[Page 391]

GM: "Families
Lurking Like Shadows
Unexplained Light Source"

William: Families Lurking Like Shadows Unexplained Light Source = 554
Five Five Four = 144
William Cleaning
Textnum code
Inspiration
Real friendship
Rationality
Strange Desire
Expression
Astral Pulse
Serendipity
Ten Insights
Look Closely
Tremulous
Synesthesia
Multiverse
That's a good one
Up to scratch
Transponder
Six One Two
One One One Nine
Five Five Four


GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...81827#p1081827

William: FTL;

[Replying to Inquirer in post #105]

Everything begins with will and from that we then use creativity to go from will to execution.

To my mind, everything does not start with will at all, but with the mechanism which enables will to become - in the case of our recognised will - from Human consciousness.

Everything to do with human will, begins with human consciousness.

Therefore, will is a function of that which everything [to do with human function] begins with first having consciousness...will derives from consciousness and cannot be considered to be the source of everything to do with human expression.

Will, is an expression of consciousness. It was not will which created consciousness but consciousness which created will.

GM: As one does from time to time...
Elude Tabula Rasa
A grateful heart Open your chakras Development/Growth
Yes, I Hear You
The Nature of Angels
Making friends with your mind
The Philosopher's Stone
"Separate
Selfishness
Shining"

William: Separate Selfishness Shining = 300
[300]
In The Mirror - Mirror Sense
One Who Does Not Believe In Gods
Walk The Talk In Love Logophile
Separate Selfishness Shining

GM: "Metamorphosis
The Need Determines the Value
Dimensional Crossovers
Faithful"
Encounters

William: Metamorphosis The Need Determines the Value Dimensional Crossovers Faithful = 789
[789]
Why it is wrong is that it does not serve reality to see it as disorderly
Burden of Proof - The scientific way to examine verifiable evidence Presumed outcome
Metamorphosis The Need Determines the Value Dimensional Crossovers Faithful

William: "Metamorphosis The Need Determines the Value Dimensional Crossovers Faithful" Encounters = 923
Is there a way in which one can test the hypothesis and in doing so, elevate it to an accepted theory? = 923

GM: https://debatingchristianity.com/for...82161#p1082161

William: FTL;

The Bible in many many places speaks of God's "will" as the thing that acts, that can act, God can do as he pleases - literally meaning God has free will.

The biblical GOD [God/YHWH] is one of position. Just because the bible speaks of a God that acts does not literally mean he does as he pleases or has free will.

What the position means is that he can act in a far more impressive manner than those in lesser position are able to.

To be able to act in a 'far more impressive manner' does not itself provide the evidence that the one acting, is doing so from a fundamental position of free will - of having free will.

One has to operate within the parameters of the system one is operating in.

Remember the biblical story of the flood? We do not need to believe it is a true story or not to understand that the GOD can do as he pleases, even that he is not pleased to have to be doing it.

Therefore, being able to act as one pleases - subject to the set laws of the system one is acting within - does not mean that this is evidence of free will in action.

GM: It's Still Not Clear To Me
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uD4jHDvNB80 [Bob Dylan - Death Is Not the End]
Secret Root
The Ghost Agenda [Note: Narration Video for this GM ends here.]
That'll Be The Day
Militant Messiah
Hallucinations
“If you say so…” No. Even if I did not say so.
Core emotion
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPpr0qyw0nc [RTS 7:57] [Magic Mushrooms DEMYSTIFIED: The Science and Practice Explained]
“Three worlds and three deep mysteries”
The Explanatory Gap
Intuition
https://aeon.co/essays/does-consciou...amnInteresting

William: FTL;

More than 2 millennia later, I was also contemplating the nature of the soul, as my son lay propped up on a hospital gurney. He was undertaking an electroencephalogram (EEG), a test that detects electrical activity in the brain, for a condition that fortunately turned out to be benign. As I watched the irregular wavy lines march across the screen, with spikes provoked by his perceptions of events such as the banging of a door, I wondered at the nature of the consciousness that generated those signals.

GM: Black Tuesday
Angels
The Patupaiarehe
Fecund [producing or capable of producing an abundance of offspring of new ideas or new growth; highly fertile]
Foresee/Foresight
Catching up
Cats Whiskers.
Once Upon a Time

08:46 [Tell Your Story]

Continued...
200822 [Nature being the very instigator]
[Page 06]

07:49 [How stories are created...]

GM: Intransigent [unwilling or refusing to change one's views or to agree about something.]
Love Takes One For The Team

William: Intransigent Love Takes One For The Team = 405
The duty is worthy of one’s compliance. = 405

GM: If someone were to declare that the Universe was a random mindless accident of an event, then they are saying that its existence is a 'truly random event'.
https://debatingchristianity.com/for...69731#p1069731

William: FTL;

The Barbarian: You're thinking maybe of something like Gerald Aardsma's "virtual history", the idea that all of pre-Adamic history is a sort of backstory that God wrote to provide background or something?

William: I haven't read anything from that author - The backstory is certainly there re evidence of the dinosaur - although it is obviously a story in itself pre-dating the advent of the human instrument -

The Barbarian: The serpent thing is kinda interesting. Serpents in ancient mesopotamia were symbols of wisdom, immortality, and health. It was a serpent who stole immortality from Gilgamesh. So Abraham's people would get the serpent readily. A wily trickster, up to mischief. But then, there was Nehushtan, the brazen serpent made by Moses according to God's instruction to heal those who gazed on it.

William: It is interesting that a brazen image was created under the instruction of Moses' God and used in that manner.

Nehushtan = 110 [SOURCE] which is a number mentioned three days ago, in another thread...Post #8

I am questioning the reason the Serpent was part of The Garden Story which is focused upon involving the creation of the Human instrument.
The Serpent was attributed with abilities which no member of the lizard-specie has been seen to have - and the connection I am wondering about is specifically with the Great Lizards which thrived on the planet long before the formation of the human instrument.

It is interesting and begs the question as to why - specifically - the antagonist of said story is reptilian.

Add to that - we also have information from the Conspiracy sector which insists that a Reptilian race [Specifically referred to as Annunaki - Mesopotamian pantheon] who had something to do with the creation of the human instrument, and that these reptilians rule the nest {Earth} and control Human beings through influential means, behind the scenes.

Which - of course - fits in with the biblical idea of Satan being 'cast from Heaven to rule the Earth'

Often the Reptilian race is portrayed as extraterrestrial/interdimensional but why would that have to be the case, since we know that The Age of The Reptile on this very planet was an immensely long period of time, especially when compared with the age of The Great Ape - so plenty of time therein to evolve into a highly technological specie possessing apparently god-like powers...

GM: Under the breath words
That Is Sad But Don't Let It Distract You
When our progressive movements are strong, they lead toward an exciting, irresistible vision for the future where all of us thrive
The Hologram of Deception
Tied To The Moon

William: The Hologram of Deception Tied To The Moon = 397
[397]
Sober journey into self-realization
The Natural-Neutral Default Position
The Hologram of Deception Tied To The Moon


GM: Trying to change the world fails for one simple and unavoidable reason...“everyone else.”
The Theory of Everything
Solar System
How stories are created...
Big Gaps In Logic

Reality:
"Talk to The Razor"

William: Reality: "Talk to The Razor" = 280
[280]
Side Splittingly Funny
Nothing more, nothing less.
The wisdom of insecurity
Sail away among your dreams
Reality: "Talk to The Razor"

GM: Fearlessness
Enough To Make Me Wonder
"Name The Gods as non-separate Entities
Be kind to yourself"

William: Be kind to yourself ... Name The Gods as non-separate Entities = 561
[561]
The Wisdom of Foresight; "Go slow When One is Feeling Tired”
Individual Actions Proceed with causation, cautiously...
Name The Gods as non-separate Entities...Be kind to yourself

GM: The Alien Disc crop circle
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-h_5uX-Kd2Q [14 Year Old Crosses Over; Gets Taught about Negative Thoughts During NDE]
Validate
The Sub Hierarchy
Consciousness

William: NDEs Validate The Sub Hierarchy Consciousness = 461
[461]
A Pragmatic Realization Precipitated In Ones Mind
The Antichrist is...a bad attitude against a good thing
Like how a meteorite caused an extinction event
The path to enlightenment Potential of Milieu
NDEs Validate The Sub Hierarchy Consciousness


GM: Mathematical Problems
"Freeing the soul
We go through together
Research into the Phenomenology of the Self
Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions
Chamber Of Self"

William: Freeing the soul We go through together Research into the Phenomenology of the Self Creating Gateways Into Other Dimensions Chamber Of Self = 1373
[One Three Seven Three = 211]
[211]
The Alien Disc crop circle
Show Your Soul
"Provincial Thinking
You Interrupted"
You are not wrong
The Law of Attraction
Active Galactic Nucleus
The Gist of The Message
YHWH made it imperfect
One Three Seven Three

GM: The truth of objective reality as experienced subjectively.
Honest attempts at scrubbing up
You are neutral
Curious
Real Beauty
Other way
Map Carvers
Eloah [mighty. Powerful personality]
08:27 [Soul Carrier Memories
Universal Intelligence
Cyborg Anthropology
Copper wire and glass beads
Strength is required
One's Thoughts I Will]