Thread: "Guns R Retarded" (split from pic discussion)

Guns are retarded

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE...PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE

though I heard that it may be possible that the guns help just a little bit

Originally Posted by OpheliaBlue

GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE...PEOPLE KILL PEOPLE
though I heard that it may be possible that the guns help just a little bit
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I know. The "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" sentiment is ridiculous. Maybe it is the person killing the person, but having an AK-47 makes the job much easier. I personally think no one except law enforcement should be allowed to own a gun for actual use (i.e. for historical purposes or a collection, with no ammo is fine).

Originally Posted by PenguinLord13

I know. The "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" sentiment is ridiculous. Maybe it is the person killing the person, but having an AK-47 makes the job much easier. I personally think no one except law enforcement should be allowed to own a gun for actual use (i.e. for historical purposes or a collection, with no ammo is fine).
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So basicly people are not allowed to defend themself them? If a criminal has a gun the only way you have a chance of living is if you have a gun. Its as simple as that. 99% of the time a police officer won't be around to help you. So you either defend yourself or die.

The entire idea of taking guns away from normal people to stop criminals from getting guns is stupid anyway. They are going to get them, theres nothing you can do about that. If they have to they will smuggle guns into the country through mexico, and we all know how easy that is.

Originally Posted by Alric

The entire idea of taking guns away from normal people to stop criminals from getting guns is stupid anyway. They are going to get them, theres nothing you can do about that. If they have to they will smuggle guns into the country through mexico, and we all know how easy that is.[/b]

Have you seen Lord of War? One of my favorite quotes from the movie is:
Yuri Orlov: There are over 550 million firearms in worldwide circulation. That's one firearm for every twelve people on the planet. The only question is: How do we arm the other 11?

Criminals are going to get guns. In the US and most nations that aren't in Western Europe, almost all criminals - from the petty stick-up guy to the organized crime boss - have guns (and the small number that don't wish that they did). You can buy one for less than $50 if you don't care about a body count on the weapon, and even most legitimate gun shows don't require a background check. It's easier for an 16-year-old kid to buy a handgun than to buy a case of beer. When such a smooth supply chain exists within a country, supported by corporate profits and a hold-over romantic ideal, you're not going to be able to rid the land of firearms.

If you outlaw guns in such places, then only the criminals will have them, and honest citizens will be at their mercy. I'm not really a big fan of guns. I don't go out to the firing range for fun, don't collect them in a safe, don't sleep with one under my pillow, don't live in a compound in Montana. But, having endured one very frightening and very memorable night alone in the middle of nowhere - no cops, no phone, no other people within screaming distance - I will not live alone without a gun again. It is simply foolish to not take the steps necessary to protect yourself and the people and things you cherish. You have to match the weaponry and skills of those who would take such things from you - and to do that in most parts of the world, the good people need guns. I wish it weren't so, truly I do. There are so many terrible consequences to a culture of guns. But it's better to deal with an unpleasant truth than hold to ideals which can leave you helpless in the presence of those who intend you nothing but harm.

Originally Posted by PenguinLord13

I know. The "Guns don't kill people, people kill people" sentiment is ridiculous. Maybe it is the person killing the person, but having an AK-47 makes the job much easier. I personally think no one except law enforcement should be allowed to own a gun for actual use (i.e. for historical purposes or a collection, with no ammo is fine).
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Notice that most gun related crimes are NOT remotely associated with assault weapons. Most encounters are less than five rounds. Yet a huge stick is the high capacity magazines. This looks like good reasoning and because of that, anti gun activist go around preaching that this level of weaponry is not necessary.

I have seen a generation grow up with no interaction with guns. No recreational usage. Sporting clays, the heritage of hunting, target practice. And I do not blame these people for their views. But I do strongly believe their views are inaccurate and one sided as you would expect it to be under their upbringing.
Because these traditions are being lost, it is unfortunate that at some point most innocent gun owners will loose many of their second amendment rights.


Edit:
I agree with you wholeheartedly about the restrictions on getting a gun. If you are an innocent gun owner a little inconvenience should not be something you are not willing to appease.
What does have to be kept under a tight eye is bias. This could get very complicated do to all the variable that it could entail though.

Originally posted by Milf
lol awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww *
he wuvz his wittle gun

Aww, shit man, I couldn't resist....

ROFLMAO Joe! that's so funny

a well armed populace is the best defense against tyranny. sweet gun, sloth! That thing is totally wicked!

a gas powered gun! like a car?? damn! (sory no gun knowledge, from canada) and is it possible that you could...hook me up with a gun like that? I can't keep it muhfuckin real in the hood with just knives...you know how it is...

No, gas powered refers to the type of action. Otherwise, how the next bullet in the magazine gets loaded. Bolt action guns mean you have to ratchet back a lever to expell the used shell and load a new bullet. Lever actions (like the cheesy shotgun in that one Terminator movie) use a lever under/around the trigger to do it.
Gas powered guns use the gas created by the ignited powder to push back the action and load the next bullet. This makes them faster, and one of the best possible for fully automatic weapons, but it also tends to make them unreliable when compared to actions such as the bolt.

Originally Posted by Tsen

No, gas powered refers to the type of action. Otherwise, how the next bullet in the magazine gets loaded. Bolt action guns mean you have to ratchet back a lever to expell the used shell and load a new bullet. Lever actions (like the cheesy shotgun in that one Terminator movie) use a lever under/around the trigger to do it.
Gas powered guns use the gas created by the ignited powder to push back the action and load the next bullet. This makes them faster, and one of the best possible for fully automatic weapons, but it also tends to make them unreliable when compared to actions such as the bolt.
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Another drawback on gas-operated actions is that it limits the possibilities of how one configures one's ammunition. With a bolt action one can very the size of the bullet from very small and light for a very high velocity, to a big fat slow and stable round, also varying the kind of propellant one uses. Between the size of the bullet and the find of propellant one uses, one can generate either low barrel pressures or maximum pressures. The bolt action doesn't care. But Gas Operated Actions must be restricted to a narrower band of acceptable pressures -- pressure too low and the action will not feed, but if the pressure is too excessive then the action might slam out of time, kick the round awkwardly into jamming, or even just blow apart.

Ofcourse, with proper engineering the inaccuracies of a gas operated action can be minimized. Both a bolt action and a gas operated gun can be helped by a heavier barrel weight, causing less reciprocal action as the bullet exits, you know, with the "equal and opposite reaction" -- a heavier barrel better cancels against the weight and velocity of the bullet. But the particular problem with Gas Operation comes from the movement of the gas piston into the gas operated bolt -- all that stuff shifting the balance of the gun while the bullet is still travelling down the barrel. However, if the gun is built so that the gas port hole in the barrel is very close to end of the barrel, then the bullet will be exited by the time that anything begins to slam around. Of course, the further out the gas port hole in the barrel, the slower the action is.

Of course, some automatic guns are not Gas Operated -- having ports, tubes, pistons and gas operated bolts. Some are simple "blow back". The recoil of the blast simply kicks back the bolt. Now THAT is inaccurate. The Bullet is going one wat and the bolt is going the other, having only a spring to slow it down. They jump around like crazy.

so, guys, are you interested in joining my gang?

Only if there is pie involved.

No no. Gas powered as in air.
When you shoot a round, the force of the blast creates pressure as GASses build up. That GAS pressure pushes the hammer back, and recocks the gun for the next bullet, making it an automatic weapon. . . Or something like that. All I really know how to do is take it apart, clean it, load it, and shoot it. Loading it is fun though. Just pop the bullets into the clip. Holds 50. Then, pop the clip in the bottom.

Guns aren't my thing. I'm a computer nerd. I party. I drink. I get high. I plant flowers. I play music. . .
Guns are just something that I had to have one of, so I knew it had to be a good one.

-sloth

oh, there is. And quite a variety at that.. apple, pizza, and pootie tang.

Heh, I'd argue with you about the whole "had to be a good one" thing. M-16A2's aren't my thing. If you're military and storming a building or patrolling a street, sure. But then, you'd need one with the three-shot burst option, which I'm mostly sure you can't get in a civilian model. But that's for a military weapon-not a civilian one. And I'd prefer an HK-MP5 for most military ops-it drops some piercing power, but it's much more reliable and accurate, plus more maneuverable. And the MP5SD series is unrivaled for covert and anti-terror ops.

Actually...
If you look real closely, I am wearing military BDUs in that pic. This is a military M16, with the 3 round burst. Don't ask how I got it though.

Edit: What I was trying to say, originally, on this thread, was that I am rash, and quick to jump to conclusions. I assumed that someone 'up there' was insulting me with the title of the forum, but the REALITY is, that I'm just dumb.
LOL
Sorry I lashed out, Bluegirl. You're still my hero.

*bats eyelashes* *makes kissyfaces*

-embarrassed sloth

actually I titled it that when I split it from the lounge in attempts at mocking Liam, not you

such a sensitive wittle slothypoooooooooo

So you actually got a military version? I don't even want to know at this point.


And lol at the kissy faces.

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This is an amazing discovery that a gun has capability of retardation.
I always thought that was set aside for the ignorant idiots who use them in a malicious manner.

Here all this time I thought that a gun was an inanimate object.

Originally Posted by Liam

Guns are retarded
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I don't believe their is any record of a guns intelligence. No SAT scores, educational reviews, accolades...nothing that I can find.

Guns serve just as much a purpose as any other weapon. I'm a blade man, myself, but I understand and appreciate the concept behind guns. It is the excessive use and the "this is the only thing that stands between my life and death, so I'm going to use it whenever I'm feel threatened! Tresspassers, BEWARE!!" mentality that is retarded.

Quite a compelling argument

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