First of all, happy new year! |
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First of all, happy new year! |
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I dont want to get into an arguement with you on this but i guarentee and i would bet my life on it that i can name far more things that give thr US a bad name that what do the Opposite. i hate people saying america does so much for the world so heres just a few things off the top of my head: |
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Posting something like that is not a good way to get the "don't want... argument" ball rolling. |
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You dont understand, i have nothing to be jealous about, if i could live in america for free i wouldnt. If i was jealous then i would just move there :S Ok so america has some of the best entertainment because its payed for by your corrupt corporations. regarding WW2, the Allies would have won WW2 without the help of the USA but thats besides the point, i know alot of americans died in the war fighting but when was that, rite near the end of the war after half the Population of europe had been exterminated. If it wasnt for Pearl Harbour america would have watched the rest of the world burn so i fail to see how they are the worlds saviour, the only thing i see is a country that interferes with smaller countries just to make money from them. They see themselves has supieriors and Police to the rest of the world but the rest of the world see them as an Interfering super-power that threatens with military or economy to get what they want... |
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Imran, I will talk more about the Cold War move of aiding in the removal (by the Shah) of Mossadeq (reported to have communist/Soviet ties that threatened our world... The fight to stop the Soviets from taking over the world was about as serious as the fight to stop the Nazis from taking over the world.), an appointed monarch (by the Shah), after you answer my big 2 questions. You talked around the topics, but you did not give me direct answers. I asked you how much you appreciate the sacrifices Americans have made to save your world. Even if you want to argue that the United States made no difference in World War II and that the Nazis would have for whatever wild reason (There is no "buffer zone" to a military that has taken over, which probably would have happened had we not led the fight in Western Europe, thereby taking away a huge chunk of Hitler's military resources.) not gotten to India and beyond, you cannot deny the fact that 1.1 million Americans were either killed or injured in the fight to stop Hitler from taking over the world and completely wiping out your race and many others. I know we were also fighting the Japanese, but fighting the Japanese had to be done partly because we could not stop Hitler without doing it. No matter what corrupt or selfish motives you assume my government had, I know for a fact what so many American soldiers were thinking about when they were fighting. I know what it meant to them. I have been asking you how much you appreciate their sacrifices. You said about the generalized idea of the U.S. having done "good" (but "bad" too), "I respect that." I am asking how much you appreciate the sacrifices, not if you "respect" them at all. I "respect" Hussein's ability to rule 25 million people with pure fear tactics, but I am worlds from appreciating it. The second question was not about what Hussein did in his own country to look good. I am asking what he did for the world. If you think he was terrible, then I challenge you to go off about that like you have gone off about the United States. |
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I don't think it's a good thing. Life is life, and murder is murder. Saddam killed a lot of people and that's so bad. They've killed him as he killed others, it's just the same. |
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No way should he have been killed. Nobody deserves to die unnaturally. |
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Ok, Saddam has been condemned, and hung. I argued that George Bush deerved to face trial for war crimes alongside Saddam, much in the same way Benjamin Ferenccz did. I am making this point because he is not being trialed. Saddam is and ash been. I do not need to condemn a hung man. I have alwyas said Saddam represents everything I destest. Facism. |
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Imran, |
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don't you think it's kind of strange how they rushed to kill saddam so quickly before people wanted to put him on trial for his war crimes during the iran-iraq war? the war during which the US supported saddam? |
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the rabbit hole is pretty deep mang
Saddam waived his right to appeal. There was nothing left to do but kill him. |
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On the topic of the Soviets, elts not go into it, because you can tell from my signature that I have some far- left ideologies, and thts an altogether bigger discussion. |
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It's a good thing he's dead. Yeah, so a lot of Iraq is going to be pretty ticked off about it, but can you imagine keeping the guy around so everyone stays happy? I mean, what? Since when did appeasement ever work? I don't think his video should've been broadcast so publicly: it was pretty much stooping to his level with all the insults at the noose and what not, yet, it was an emotional thing and I can understand it. |
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Ragardless of the issues of, wether there are other people who should share his fate. |
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Previously known as imran_p
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the purpose of saddams death was nothing to do with justice, the purpose it serves is to distract you from the real issue of "cui bono?" or who benefits? |
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Okay, first, your talking about the 9/11 conspiracy theory which this thread is Not about. There are other threads for that. I dont believe it, and there is just as much evidence to disprove the theory as well as "prove" it, but this is not the thread. |
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mohammed reza pahlavi is not related either but you didnt object to that cos it doesnt conflict your personal view. discussion evolves, healthy discussion does anyway. feel free to request its being moved but please dont have it deleted as im sure censorship isnt one of your hobbies, or is it? |
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The post on Mohammed Reza Pahlavi was relevant to the convorstation. Imran used it as reference and comparison. 9/11 conspiracy theories are not relevent. 9/11 itself is relevent as its what caused this war which should only be in Afghanistan, but the conspiracy theories are not. There are other threads for being an annoying ass, and ranting about conspiracies in America. |
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to say that the 911 conspiracy is irrelevant, scares me to death cos you are pretty smart exo and its a shame youve closed your opinion so soon just as the major evidence is coming in and the politicians have no answers to the questions being posed. take another look i implore you. but i will keep my discussion of it to the relevant topic in future but i feel that it is necessary trhat people all over the world hear the "theories" or at least consider them a possibility and my post should stay here where i feel it belongs just this once as people with an interest in an execution of an arab leader and vote on its "quality" should at least know the circumstances that led to it and possibility that all is not as it seems. |
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888 you sound like your going a bit off topic. I voted Good, he's another hitler but not as smart. I don't really care what happens to him after what he's done, hang him or toss him in prison. Given the option to have thousands women and children executed to get free, he wouldn't even blink before replying yes. He's selfish and has no remorse for anyone, so just remove him from the picture and in any way the government chooses. Sends a message to the world that evil dictators will he held responsible for their actions. Also quite good how he never saw 2007. |
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Exobyte is right |
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"...You want to reclaim your mind and get it out of the hands of the cultural engineers who want to turn you into a half-baked moron consuming all this trash that's being manufactured out of the bones of a dying world..." - Terence McKenna
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888 had already apologised for going off topic and swiftly found his way back onto it again! Anyway, what was said about it sending a message: maybe it did, but considering how many dictators have been around, and how many have been 'brought to justice' by execution or whatever, it doesn't seem to make much difference. One might say its the risk of attempting power, and probably has no more repulsion from future dictators' actions, than the risk of dying in battle does repelling future army recruits. Just seemed like a pointless execution to me, really |
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