 Originally Posted by Noogah
I don't agree with the attitude towards violence here. In fact, I think it's very silly. Taosaur, you're making violence sound like a tornado. A random force that is unpredictable. You go on talking of mad men that go about killing each other, and bombs that you seem to believe are thrown left and right without any thought to where they land.
Anyways, that's what it sounds like to me.
There is such thing as controlled violence.
In an ideal world, when Mr. A was doing something awful, then Mr. B could confront Mr. A, and explain how ti was wrong. Mr. A would cease. In this world, it is quite possible that Mr. A won't cease. He may either ignore Mr. B, or hurt/kill him. If it comes to this, and Mr. A is hurting innocent people, and will listen to nothing, which would be worse? To allow Mr. A to continue hurting people? Or to disable Mr. A, and thus save the innocent people in question? This is a logical, controlled, and well thought out situation.
I think of controlled fires. Fires, out of control, can be devastating to humanity. When under close control, they can be one of the most useful and productive forces harness-able.
I especially feel that way about criminals. Swift, and painful judgment to criminals quickly stamps out hurtful actions, and the fear caused keeps people in line.
We live in an imperfect world. Force, and violence is sometimes necessary to keep the peace.
I agree that violence should (usually) be a last resort. But, you have only failed if there was a different option that you refused to take. If there were absolutely zero options left for you, you took the only available option and have not failed.
Of course, all IMHO.
Using ninja moves to grab a gun out of a raving lunatic's hand isn't violence.
Violence is using that same gun to bash his eyeball in!! Violence is violence because it CARRIES THE INTENTION TO HARM. Not disarm. Officers beating the crap out of prison inmates IS VIOLENCE. The result is unpredictable. Inmates go crazy, lose all emotional control, or tossed in isolation cells for time periods ranging from months to years. Others form prison alliances that out-number and out-power the officers. Making the situation even worse. Others yet become suicidal or suffer other forms of depression.
Can we guarantee the results of isolation will be rehabilitation? No, we can't. Often it's more mental and emotional instability. Rage, hatred, anger, depression, hallucinations, vengeance, suicide. The deterioration of one's humanity, or what ever is left. It may be hands off violence, but it's emotional violence aka abuse.
Whether or not an inmate can be kept in line has little or nothing to do with an officer beating the shit out of him. Think of it this way, in America at least, prisons are CROWDED. The prisoners out number the officers. If they want to bloody riot, they can, and within minutes they can have entire control of the facility. So why don't mass riots happen more often? Because many inmates have something to keep in line for - freedom and a life outside of prison. It's the FEAR of an even longer term that keeps most inmates in line. And the greatest factor that keeps an inmate in line is sanity. An insane prisoner is a ticking time bomb. It doesn't even matter if they are one or two days away from freedom, if they can't control their emotions they can screw it all up.
We should care about the lives of prisoners because they mirror our civilizations. They mirror humanity born and bred in violence or emotional abuse. And most importantly they mirror our self-denial. How many prisoners can really function in our modern world? . . . . Who here hasn't at one point been angry at how our modern world functions? They reflect us as a people, and it's an ugly reflection as a society we want to ignore. As dreamers we should all know that fighting your Shadow Self only makes it bigger.
Look at the Taliban. Look at how polar opposite they are from the "american dream", they are our "shadow selves".
Recent studies suggest that it's actually HUMAN NATURE to SHY AWAY FROM DANGER. Running away from danger is our instinct. Not violence!! It takes either TRAINING or emotional/mental instability to be violent! (even the caveman has to LEARN to hunt and LEARN to kill. we are not creatures born with that killer instinct) Most acts of violence in this world is a sign of disease.
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