Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

I really hope you don't think the government has an obligation to address Loose Change. If they do that, they might as well start addressing Bigfoot and the Flying Spaghetti Monster. They don't want to give credibility to the absurd by treating it like it has basis in reality. It would not be in the interests of credibility or efficiency to start commenting on each night's Art Bell program.

Fine, ignore loose change, pretend it never existed. They still have an obligation to explain how molten steel was running down the building like lava even though jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. They still have to explain to all the demolitions experts saying the type of destruction they described would have left the steel beams intact. Just because you assume if Fox News doesn't report it its not true does not make that so.

As for your dialogue, you did not represent the amazing leap I discussed. I have said that I don't have much disagreement with people who say, "I have looked at the evidence, and it seems that the big bang did not happen the way the vast, vast majority of PhD theoretical physicists say it did even though I don't know enough to understand the potential counterarguments to what the dissenters are saying." What I think is astoundingly outlandish is saying, "A microscopic percentage of theoretical physicists say the big bang could not have happened according to the official story, and I agree with the microscopic minority because they are experts and the silence of the masses should just be overlooked because in my very limited understanding of the but ifs and what ifs of the scenario, I cannot say how the microscopic minority is wrong. Therefore.... (leaping... leaping... leaping...) the Flying Spaghetti Monster had to have created the universe by sprinkling glittery magic sand on a statue of Lord Banana and singing "It's a Happy, Happy Universe".

Albert Einstein was laughed at at first as well. In fact many people that first heard his ideas were so quick to write it off as absurd he barely got through his theory the first time without ensuing laughter. All great realizations by our culture were suppressed by the beginning, the church called it blasphemous, the masses like you just write it off because it doesn't fit your narrow perspective on reality and farbeit from us to try and reach an understanding that doesn't fit into the masses' confirmed reality. No society just automatically accepts a controversial truth in the beginning. Rather, history has shown us that people that tell the truth get crucified. Just because you choose to attach yourself to popular opinion does not make you right.

I disagree. I think two types of people are those who admit that they don't know the ins and outs of demolition and don't take obscure claims regarding evidence and leap to fantasy land conclusions and those who have looked at obscure takes on evidence and think they know enough to understand the full spectrum of how demolition works and go from there to saying things that are absolutely insane.

I don't know the ins and outs, but the demolitions experts do and they're pretty much unanimous. Find me a single demolition expert that thinks the offocial story is true and I will find you 30 that don't.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Fine, ignore loose change, pretend it never existed. They still have an obligation to explain how molten steel was running down the building like lava even though jet fuel doesn't burn hot enough to melt steel. They still have to explain to all the demolitions experts saying the type of destruction they described would have left the steel beams intact.

I don't think you know enough about the depths of demolition but ifs and what ifs to be sure it is a credible issue. I told you what would happen if it were one.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Just because you assume if Fox News doesn't report it its not true does not make that so.

I agree, whatever that has to do with anything. What about local news stations in the world? What about the engineering firms all over the world? What about the social circles I come across all the time? What about all of the architecture firms in the world? What about local newspapers everywhere? What about my ex who is an architect? What about my construction supervisor former best friend? What about street protests and townhall meetings where enormous crowds of engineers could meet? Why not a million engineer march? What about a million demolition expert petition? Where is all of this? All you have are a few money and attention seeking Bush haters and your own amateur narcissism.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Albert Einstein was laughed at at first as well. In fact many people that first heard his ideas were so quick to write it off as absurd he barely got through his theory the first time without ensuing laughter. All great realizations by our culture were suppressed by the beginning, the church called it blasphemous, the masses like you just write it off because it doesn't fit your narrow perspective on reality and farbeit from us to try and reach an understanding that doesn't fit into the masses' confirmed reality. No society just automatically accepts a controversial truth in the beginning. Rather, history has shown us that people that tell the truth get crucified. Just because you choose to attach yourself to popular opinion does not make you right.

Right. You understand, but the masses of experts do not. Can I call you Einstein? Also, pay attention to the fact that I am talking about probability. There are lots of situations where minority opinion turned out to be correct, even microscopic minority opinions and even lone opinions. But what are the chances this is one of those situations? The probability is far from being on your side. I have no reason to think it is. Most importantly, I don't think YOU understand something the masses of experts do not. Got it yet?

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I don't know the ins and outs, but the demolitions experts do and they're pretty much unanimous. Find me a single demolition expert that thinks the offocial story is true and I will find you 30 that don't.

The masses of demolition experts don't even think there is an issue to discuss. They see this as a Bigfoot type thing. Those people are all over the place, and I can hear the cricket noises in their background. You don't understand something that the masses of experts don't. Get over yourself.

Quick! Help me hide the second airplane before somebody sees us!

[quote=Universal Mind;527392]I don't think you know enough about the depths of demolition but ifs and what ifs to be sure it is a credible issue. I told you what would happen if it were one.

I agree, whatever that has to do with anything. What about local news stations in the world? What about the engineering firms all over the world? What about the social circles I come across all the time? What about all of the architecture firms in the world? What about local newspapers everywhere? What about my ex who is an architect? What about my construction supervisor former best friend? What about street protests and townhall meetings where enormous crowds of engineers could meet? Why not a million engineer march? What about a million demolition expert petition? Where is all of this? All you have are a few money and attention seeking Bush haters and your own amateur narcissism.

Um... everything you described exists practically. You honestly think Fox News gives you all the facts? That is amateur narcissism,

Right. You understand, but the masses of experts do not. Can I call you Einstein? Also, pay attention to the fact that I am talking about probability. There are lots of situations where minority opinion turned out to be correct, even microscopic minority opinions and even lone opinions. But what are the chances this is one of those situations? The probability is far from being on your side. I have no reason to think it is. Most importantly, I don't think YOU understand something the masses of experts do not. Got it yet?

If you ever bothered to look at the evidence you'd see the chances are pretty high.

The masses of demolition experts don't even think there is an issue to discuss. They see this as a Bigfoot type thing. Those people are all over the place, and I can hear the cricket noises in their background. You don't understand something that the masses of experts don't. Get over yourself.

Outwright lie, why don't you do a google search. I'm not talking about demolitions experts in general, but ones that have examined the attacks. All that have examined the attacks claim that it was an inside job.

I won't repond to you again because I've already exercised all my arguments and you haven't responded to them with any evidence or logical thought. You've simply barraged me with ad hominems at this point so to prevent this from becoming a bickering war I'm going to withdraw.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Um... everything you described exists practically. You honestly think Fox News gives you all the facts? That is amateur narcissism,

No. Why?

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

If you ever bothered to look at the evidence you'd see the chances are pretty high.

That's what I said. You know, but the masses of experts don't.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Outwright lie, why don't you do a google search. I'm not talking about demolitions experts in general, but ones that have examined the attacks. All that have examined the attacks claim that it was an inside job.

Wrong. The ones you are fiending to believe have said what you are looking for. You ignore the rest. Here are a few sources...

http://www.jod911.com/

http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/refute.htm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html

http://www.debunking911.com/

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I won't repond to you again because I've already exercised all my arguments and you haven't responded to them with any evidence or logical thought. You've simply barraged me with ad hominems at this point so to prevent this from becoming a bickering war I'm going to withdraw.

If you assert that, it must be true. You started calling me narrow minded and other things, and that is when I sprinkled some ad hominem on top of my on point responses, so stop acting like a victim.

Originally Posted by The Masses Of Demolitions Experts In The World

(*crickets* *crickets* *crickets*)

Dammit, you snuck off with the wrong airplane! Get it right! This is a much better plan than just making it look like the terroirsts used bombs, which they did last time.

Not a victim, I realized I was insulting you and its because I entered thsi debate to further my own understanding meaning I was hoping for some real evidence. Finally you gave me a link after I said I was going to stop debating, before you were just pushing everything off as absurd because you said it was absurd. You weren't responding with logic, just circular arguments, so it became pointless to debate because my own understanding wasn't about to get any better.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Not a victim, I realized I was insulting you and its because I entered thsi debate to further my own understanding meaning I was hoping for some real evidence. Finally you gave me a link after I said I was going to stop debating, before you were just pushing everything off as absurd because you said it was absurd. You weren't responding with logic, just circular arguments, so it became pointless to debate because my own understanding wasn't about to get any better.

Why do you have no qualms about being dishonest? I have given my reasoning very clearly many times over, and "because I say it is" has not once been the basis for any of my conclusions. You told a boldface lie when you said I said stuff is absurd just because I say it is. You know that is not true, so why did you say it? I have shown vivid examples of where you and Mystic7 have flat out lied. As I have said, that is a big trend with 9/11 conspiracy enthusiasts. That is one more reason my skepticism regarding what they say is enormous.

Omnius Deus just ignore him. He tends to take you around in circles.

Here you go...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XOEq-ImGWJ0

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

http://www.jod911.com/

http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/refute.htm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html

http://www.debunking911.com/

I think my list is slightly more informing.

Using Alex Jones as a sledge hammer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm616da_Afc

Originally Posted by Mystic7

I think my list is slightly more informing.

Using Alex Jones as a sledge hammer

Look at the few minutes between my post and yours. I don't think you read the links. You kept wanting demolition talk and such. Now you have it. I also threw in some footage of the land somewhere over the rainbow.