Thread: 9/11 Conspiracy

Quick! Help me hide the second airplane before somebody sees us!

My name is universal mind. The fire is burning so hot and the buildings are so damaged that they are sure to collapse in an hour.

The fire melted the steel, and it naturally fell over. I can't imagine how explosives could be used.

This 32-story building burns for more than 24 hours and does not collapse. It does not collapse because buildings made of steel and concrete, do not typically fall to the ground because of fire. In past events, high-rise buildings burned for as long as six days before the fires were extinguished and yet remained standing.

Oh shit! Mystic7 and Omnius Deuce are still on our asses about those airplanes!

[quote=Universal Mind;527392]I don't think you know enough about the depths of demolition but ifs and what ifs to be sure it is a credible issue. I told you what would happen if it were one.

I agree, whatever that has to do with anything. What about local news stations in the world? What about the engineering firms all over the world? What about the social circles I come across all the time? What about all of the architecture firms in the world? What about local newspapers everywhere? What about my ex who is an architect? What about my construction supervisor former best friend? What about street protests and townhall meetings where enormous crowds of engineers could meet? Why not a million engineer march? What about a million demolition expert petition? Where is all of this? All you have are a few money and attention seeking Bush haters and your own amateur narcissism.

Um... everything you described exists practically. You honestly think Fox News gives you all the facts? That is amateur narcissism,

Right. You understand, but the masses of experts do not. Can I call you Einstein? Also, pay attention to the fact that I am talking about probability. There are lots of situations where minority opinion turned out to be correct, even microscopic minority opinions and even lone opinions. But what are the chances this is one of those situations? The probability is far from being on your side. I have no reason to think it is. Most importantly, I don't think YOU understand something the masses of experts do not. Got it yet?

If you ever bothered to look at the evidence you'd see the chances are pretty high.

The masses of demolition experts don't even think there is an issue to discuss. They see this as a Bigfoot type thing. Those people are all over the place, and I can hear the cricket noises in their background. You don't understand something that the masses of experts don't. Get over yourself.

Outwright lie, why don't you do a google search. I'm not talking about demolitions experts in general, but ones that have examined the attacks. All that have examined the attacks claim that it was an inside job.

I won't repond to you again because I've already exercised all my arguments and you haven't responded to them with any evidence or logical thought. You've simply barraged me with ad hominems at this point so to prevent this from becoming a bickering war I'm going to withdraw.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Um... everything you described exists practically. You honestly think Fox News gives you all the facts? That is amateur narcissism,

No. Why?

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

If you ever bothered to look at the evidence you'd see the chances are pretty high.

That's what I said. You know, but the masses of experts don't.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Outwright lie, why don't you do a google search. I'm not talking about demolitions experts in general, but ones that have examined the attacks. All that have examined the attacks claim that it was an inside job.

Wrong. The ones you are fiending to believe have said what you are looking for. You ignore the rest. Here are a few sources...

http://www.jod911.com/

http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/refute.htm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html

http://www.debunking911.com/

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I won't repond to you again because I've already exercised all my arguments and you haven't responded to them with any evidence or logical thought. You've simply barraged me with ad hominems at this point so to prevent this from becoming a bickering war I'm going to withdraw.

If you assert that, it must be true. You started calling me narrow minded and other things, and that is when I sprinkled some ad hominem on top of my on point responses, so stop acting like a victim.

Originally Posted by The Masses Of Demolitions Experts In The World

(*crickets* *crickets* *crickets*)

Dammit, you snuck off with the wrong airplane! Get it right! This is a much better plan than just making it look like the terroirsts used bombs, which they did last time.

Not a victim, I realized I was insulting you and its because I entered thsi debate to further my own understanding meaning I was hoping for some real evidence. Finally you gave me a link after I said I was going to stop debating, before you were just pushing everything off as absurd because you said it was absurd. You weren't responding with logic, just circular arguments, so it became pointless to debate because my own understanding wasn't about to get any better.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

Not a victim, I realized I was insulting you and its because I entered thsi debate to further my own understanding meaning I was hoping for some real evidence. Finally you gave me a link after I said I was going to stop debating, before you were just pushing everything off as absurd because you said it was absurd. You weren't responding with logic, just circular arguments, so it became pointless to debate because my own understanding wasn't about to get any better.

Why do you have no qualms about being dishonest? I have given my reasoning very clearly many times over, and "because I say it is" has not once been the basis for any of my conclusions. You told a boldface lie when you said I said stuff is absurd just because I say it is. You know that is not true, so why did you say it? I have shown vivid examples of where you and Mystic7 have flat out lied. As I have said, that is a big trend with 9/11 conspiracy enthusiasts. That is one more reason my skepticism regarding what they say is enormous.

Omnius Deus just ignore him. He tends to take you around in circles.

I've learned. It's just puzzling to me how someone can have their head that far up their rear end.

When your brainwashed, it's a requirement.

Take a look at this pattern for example. I can tell just from speaking with universal mind. His attitude on most things.

Universal Mind: Doesn't believe in UFOs or extraterrestrials. (until fox news says so)
Universal Mind: Believes in fox news
Universal Mind: Doesn't believe he has a soul.
Universal Mind: Believes death is real. (even though he has never died)

Universal Mind: Doesn't believe in intelligent design.
Universal Mind: Agrees everyone with an opinion on 911 beyond what fox news says has a mental problem of some sort.

Universal Mind: Believes in a big bang.
Universal Mind: Doesn't want to study quantum physics.
Universal Mind: Believes global warming is caused by humans and carbon dioxide.
Universal Mind: Doesn't want to explain or study other planets and what they are experiencing in the solar system at this time. Does not want to study how the sun effects climate.

Universal Mind: Believes the law is not being abused.
Universal Mind: Doesn't believe in chemtrails.


The reason I can say what he believes alot. Is because he's programmed and brainwashed. And it's very easy to tell what they will and will not believe. According to what is known by the brainwasher's agenda. If he was a thinking individual, I wouldn't be able to say all this about him so easy.

Mind control is a science.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

When your brainwashed, it's a requirement.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

I've learned. It's just puzzling to me how someone can have their head that far up their rear end.

Oh good. You stumped whiners have nothing left but ad hominem. I'm proud of you. Let me know if you ever delude yourselves into thinking you can debate my points.

Mystic, I love your idea that I was "brainwashed" into being an atheist while growing up in the American Bible Belt. A lot of the other things you said are flat false also and came straight out of your anal canal. I believe global warming is caused by humans? Wrong. I don't want to study quantum physics? Wrong. Fox News is my only news source? Wrong. I don't believe the law is being abused? Wrong. Did you pull that stuff out of your ass while you were looking for buried airplanes in Oz?

I believe global warming is caused by humans? Wrong. I don't want to study quantum physics? Wrong. Fox News is my only news source? Wrong. I don't believe the law is being abused? Wrong.

I'm glad to hear it. Now I don't ever have to debate those things with you see. Couldn't get you to admit to the UFO thing though. Next time maybe.

I didn't say fox news is your only news source. I say you believe fox news is a genuine news source. There is a difference.

And it makes sense that if you grew up around bible bashes you would become atheist. That's how you deal with it.

By the way 3 wrong out of 13 isn't bad.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

I'm glad to hear it. Now I don't ever have to debate those things with you see. Couldn't get you to admit to the UFO thing though. Next time maybe.

I didn't say fox news is your only news source. I say you believe fox news is a genuine news source. There is a difference.

And it makes sense that if you grew up around bible bashes you would become atheist. That's how you deal with it.

By the way 3 wrong out of 13 isn't bad.

My atheism might be partly explained as a reaction to what I have been surrounded by, but I sure as f*** wasn't "brainwashed" into it. I was brainwashed into being a Christian, which I was for a long time, and had to reprogram my brain by getting obsessed with logic and alternative cosmological ideas.

I am almost completely convinced that there there is life all over every galaxy. I think it would be outrageous if this one mud ball in this one solar system in this one galaxy in this one cluster in this one supercluster (etc.) is the only place where there is life. I even think there is a significant possibility that this planet has been visited by aliens. Pensacola and Gulf Breeze are within a four hour drive of where I live, and I have been there (You have to drive through Gulf Breeze to get to Pensacola Beach.) more times than I could even name. I have seen weird shit in the sky there. I have seen weird shit in the sky in New Orleans and Jackson too. I also know people with credibility who say they have seen UFO's. I don't rule that out at all. However, I think most of the videos shown on television, including Fox News, are a crock. I have put on UFO hoaxes myself. They are very common. My UFO comments in this thread have been about how they relate to government conspiracies and even Bigfoot, and that is where things really start getting bizarre. My favoite book, Cosmic Trigger Vol. 1: Final Secret of the Illuminati, is about that stuff. The book is so interesting because it is so insane, and I am not quick to buy into what it talks about. The author, Robert Anton Wilson, even says himself he is not sure about what he is saying.

So I believe in aliens, but my philosophy on the issue can be summed up by a line in the movie Easy Rider. Jack Nicholson's character (George) talks about how aliens have been living and working among humans since the 1940's. Dennis Hopper's character (Billy) goes off about how crazy that sounds. George says Billy just said he saw something crazy in the sky, and Billy says, "I saw something, but I didn't see it working here."

ok make that 4 out of 13 wrong. I'm not suggesting your brainwashed into being atheist. I was talking about much more widespread brainwashing than that. You do have some ability to reason and be aware. But not as advanced as you think you are. As you have taken the 911 myth hook line and sinker. Because you cannot recognize the media hoax or evaluate evidence. Apparently.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

ok make that 4 out of 13 wrong.

Okay.

Universal, Research time now.

www.911Truth.org
www.patriotsquestion911.com
www.scholarsfor911truth.org
www.journalof911studies.com
www.theultimateconspiracy.com
www.PilotsFor9/11Truth
www.Justicefor911.org
www.911independentcommission.org
www.septembereleventh.org
www.911inquiry.org
www.911ea.org
www.wtceo.org
www.911initiative.org
www.william911.com

www.cooperativeresearch.org
www.911Research.WTC7.net
www.911review.com
www.911proof.com
www.truthmove.org
www.911pressfortruth.com
www.911weknow.com
www.911revisited.com
www.william911.com
www.mujca.com
www.truthaction.org
www.911readingroom.org
www.911busters.com
www.9eleven.info
www.tyrannyalert.com
www.universalseed.org
www.deceptiondollar.com
www.questioning911.com
www.911truthnow.org
www.legitgov.org
www.911omissionreport.com
www.911truthseekers.org
www.timetowakeup.net
www.8thestate.com
www.911source.org
www.911think.com
www.911tv.org
www.911.clubivy.org
www.globalconspiracyvideos.com
www.whokilledjohnoneill.com
www.grandtheftcountry.com

www.truth911.net
www.justacitizen.com
www.MartialLaw911.info
www.911truestory.com
www.911sharethetruth.com
www.wanttoknow.info
www.bush911video.com
www.Flight77.info
www.explosive911analysis.com
www.flight93crash.com
www.unansweredquestions.org
www.emergencynow.info
www.911bookshelf.com
www.summeroftruth.org
www.911truthradio.com
www.supportthetruth.com
www.mime11.com
www.oilempire.us
www.physics911.net
www.physics911.ca
www.jonhs.net/911/
www.nw0.info
www.comcast.net/~skydrifter
www.investigate911.com
www.timetowakeup.net

www.v911truth.org
www.stoplying.ca
www.911truth.eu
www.911truthpeterborough.com
www.luogocomune.net
www.911physics.co.nr
www.911info.se
www.serendipity.li
www.911truthbristol.com
www.911truthtotnes.com
www.september11.se
www.vaken.se
www.911oz.com
www.911dossier.co.uk
www.nineeleven.co.uk
www.hintergrund.de
www.broeckers.com
www.thecoop.tv
www.operation911.de
www.medienanalyse-international.de
www.911komplott.de
www.deepjournal.com
www.dknwz.net
www.scottishinternationalist.com
www.truth4peace.co.uk
www.vgb.no
www.911truthskipton.com
www.wytruth.org.uk
www.reopen911.info
www.editionsdemilune.com
www.cremationofcare.com
www.Swedesfor911Truth.com

Here you go...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XOEq-ImGWJ0

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

http://www.jod911.com/

http://michaelgriffith1.tripod.com/refute.htm

http://www.popularmechanics.com/tech...w/1227842.html

http://www.debunking911.com/

I think my list is slightly more informing.

Using Alex Jones as a sledge hammer

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wm616da_Afc

Originally Posted by Mystic7

I think my list is slightly more informing.

Using Alex Jones as a sledge hammer

Look at the few minutes between my post and yours. I don't think you read the links. You kept wanting demolition talk and such. Now you have it. I also threw in some footage of the land somewhere over the rainbow.

I don't think you read my links. The difference is I already seen the wizard of Oz movie. And I've seen those websites you posted. My links refute your links.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

I don't think you read my links. The difference is I already seen the wizard of Oz movie. And I've seen those websites you posted. My links refute your links.

My links refute your links.

Why do you think my sites largely outnumber yours. And contain 10 times more detail. Just do you homework and stop ignoring the information.

Originally Posted by Mystic7

Why do you think my sites largely outnumber yours.

Because I didn't spend weeks rounding up tons of sites. The few I posted made the point. However, within those sites are links to tons of other sites. You would of course have to click the links to know that. There probably are more conspiracy sites than conspiracy skepticism sites, just like there are more Loch Ness Monster sites than there are Nessie skepticism sites.

You asked for answers regarding areas where neither of us are experts. Now you have them.