Thread: Lets talk about drugs!

Sandform. I'm sorry to bring you some bad news, but moral Dictatorship is yet again the policiy of these Forums I'm affraid.

You can expect this (good!) thread to undergo the same fate of mine: That of being deleted in the name of Drug-discussion censorship. My Topic "Trip Reports: Psychedelic Experiences shared" was removed eventhough I had previously, over a year ago, made a deal with The Moderators and Admins here that I wouldn't deliberately Stimulate people to do Psychedelic drugs (Which is certainly not my intention and has never been) as long as they would tolerate my deviant view on this subject.

They allowed the discussion to exist, because I argumented well that the freedom to express alternating views was morally surpressed by the morals of Admins and Mods. They seem to have understood and allowed it and it has since grown to be one of the oldest, still going, topic with almost the most posts in it.

Yet without any excuse it was recently removed and the only explanation I got was from an Admin saying this in a PM:
Trip Reports thread

This is a courtesy note to let you know that your thread on trip reports has been removed. The decision has nothing to do with you personally; we have returned to our former policy of allowing drug discussion only when it is relevant to dreaming.

Thank you.

nice words for such bad news, but it doesn't make it any less sour.

I think I've kinda had it with this forum:
-Everyday the meaningfull topics disappear under a thick layer of "Need help with WILD"-like topics and other useless qestions that have allready 5 topics devoted to them. And the mods don't see this as a problem appearantly.

-And it seems like I am not free to express my opinion and share valuable experiences on sensative subjects since it is different than the opinions that the (conservative, intolerant) Admins of this forum share about these sensative subjects.

It's back to the "The religion of the King is the Religion of the people"-policy again where you're not allowed to discuss, let alone praise and share information about subjects that THEY find immoral based on "what everybody sais about it".

Well maybe it's about time I start raising my own forum together with some other, openminded, serious dreamers. A simple and small one that keeps out narrowminded people who only come to argue everything, dictate their moral views on everyone and non-serious dreamers that fill this forum up with a pile of crap, all similair topics.

I'll check these forums out for a while and if our freedom to discuss certain sensative subjects gets even more limited I'm outa here.

I'm just going to follow MLKs advice, they only way to change bad laws is to break them.

Peopel this Topic will most probably soon be deleted. It seems the current new staff of mods and admins have agreed to shut down all drug-related topics. If my freedom of discussing wonderfull, otherwordly, responsible and respectable experiences is being taken away from me I don't feel very welcome here at all.

I'm gunna leave these forums soon.
SO much for discussing the intrueging insights into other worlds as a result of ingesting psychedelics.

Hmm, oh well. Drugs aren't very important anyway, its like saying that we should discuss t.v. on a regular basis hehe.

Originally Posted by SKA

Peopel this Topic will most probably soon be deleted. It seems the current new staff of mods and admins have agreed to shut down all drug-related topics. If my freedom of discussing wonderfull, otherwordly, responsible and respectable experiences is being taken away from me I don't feel very welcome here at all.

I'm gunna leave these forums soon.
SO much for discussing the intrueging insights into other worlds as a result of ingesting psychedelics.

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about. Your mind is so completely opposite to expanded that without this one single topic to talk about, you can't think of anything at all and therefore must leave. Well I say good riddance to bad rubbish if thats the case.

Xaqaria, that was rude and uncalled for.l Ska's posts, I think most members will agree, are extremly interesting and thought -provoking.
Freedom of speech should be exercised fully on a forum dedicated to something as strange and mystical as lucid dreaming. Shamans are dedicated to pursuing lucidty through the use of physcdelics. Your response is digusting and so is the action of the administators. I suggest a topic in the meta forum section where we can all list ideas for solvng this problem.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

This is exactly the kind of shit I'm talking about. Your mind is so completely opposite to expanded that without this one single topic to talk about, you can't think of anything at all and therefore must leave. Well I say good riddance to bad rubbish if thats the case.

It's also, primairlily actually, forum-troll people like you, that has mde the once so good atmosphere here ruined and hostile.

And how is it you feel you are in the position to judge me as " bad rubbish"? You don't even know a damn thing about me.
How can you say my mind is opposite of expanded? You dont know me?

People like you turn every potentially usefull discussions into flaming arguments. It's people with an aditude like yours that ruin the good discussion and overall atmosphere of this forum.

You seem like a very angry, frustrated person. One of those that are convinced that they are right and everyone else is wrong.
How old are you? I hope you're still young and therefor naieve. It would be an excuse for your rude and mindless behaviour.

In defense of SKA, I think he's a valuable member of the forum. I'll admit that I'm on the side that discourages wanton drug talk around here. But I also feel that SKA conducts his discussion in a more responsible manner than just about any other member we have. He's not just another reckless drug-talker.

That said, I'm still somewhat on the fence about exactly where the boundries should be set. But I don't believe that SKA deserves to be talked to that way. Especially since he's probably the most qualified and responsible member to "go there".

I don't understand. How is discussing drugs on DV a problem? Why would Mods and Admins close down drug-related topics?