Thread: Lets talk about drugs!

I think every (adult) person has the right to put into their body whatever they want, along as they don't hurt other people.

And some drugs can really change your view of the world for the better. However, some can also fuck you up pretty bad. Caution is pretty important.

I really do not like drugs at all, even medical usage ones, i think that drugs such as crack or cocaine or LSD etc are a waste of time, yeah, you may get a high from them, but at the end of the day you may become addicted, you may end up killing yourself or even wasting your money on drugs you don't need, people only take them because of curiousity and depression because they think it will help, when in reality it is making them alot worse.

In terms of drugs and medicines for use of curing and healing, i only use medicine if i really need it, as well as drugs etc, if i have a cold i'll sweat it off, why rely on drugs and medicines when you could just stay strong, at the end of the day it makes you mentally stronger, able to deal with these things, drugs can be helpful when needed but why rely on them, because if you depend on them too much you will not be able to depend on yourself, i know that this can happen because it happened to my dad, he takes pills everyday and different drugs and things to make him feel better, they have made him worse in my opinion, he takes them for no reason, he can't handle feeling ill either, he gets really fussy and is like a young child.

Next time your ill, wait through it and when you've beat it you will feel alot better We may come to a time that we cannot get hold of drugs and medicines. Be prepared i say!

I'm pretty much against hard drugs like heroin and cocaine, since they basically just make you feel very nice and kill you slowly.
I think the cannabis is pretty harmless if used in relative moderation, although it can lead to depression if overused. I think that cigarettes are very bad since they just calm you down, they're very addictive and they kill you.
I can't really talk about Mushrooms and DMT, or those other drugs that 'expand your consciousness' or whatever, although having read someone's account of a DMT trip (I think it was Nina) I can see that you have to be careful how much you take of this stuff and that it's now for everyone.
Have I covered everything? Oh yea Alcohol is pretty much ok, if you don't get addicted.
LSD and Extasy again, I can't really judge since I've had no experience with them, but I definitely wouldn't take a pill of the stuff if it was offered to me at a party

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

I really do not like drugs at all, even medical usage ones, i think that drugs such as crack or cocaine or LSD etc are a waste of time, yeah, you may get a high from them, but at the end of the day you may become addicted, you may end up killing yourself or even wasting your money on drugs you don't need, people only take them because of curiousity and depression because they think it will help, when in reality it is making them alot worse.

In terms of drugs and medicines for use of curing and healing, i only use medicine if i really need it, as well as drugs etc, if i have a cold i'll sweat it off, why rely on drugs and medicines when you could just stay strong, at the end of the day it makes you mentally stronger, able to deal with these things, drugs can be helpful when needed but why rely on them, because if you depend on them too much you will not be able to depend on yourself, i know that this can happen because it happened to my dad, he takes pills everyday and different drugs and things to make him feel better, they have made him worse in my opinion, he takes them for no reason, he can't handle feeling ill either, he gets really fussy and is like a young child.

Next time your ill, wait through it and when you've beat it you will feel alot better We may come to a time that we cannot get hold of drugs and medicines. Be prepared i say!

So whats your view on alcohol?

What sort of drugs are we talking about here? The term 'Drugs' leaves for a wide subject of debate. There are so many types...

Softer drugs like cannabis I think should be legalised for personal use within your own property much like smoking is. Holland have it right in my opinion. Harder drugs, well OK they are bad for you and can cause serious effects but as Imran points out drug use and drug abuse are 2 totally different things.

In all I think I am against it, purely because of my past. But I don't judge drug users, and no doubt most of you here all associate with drug users but just don't know it! Drugs like cocaine, especially where I live is taken by so many people who you wouldn't expect etc.

Anyway, I can live with it, but not in my face!

Originally Posted by Sandform

Lets talk about drugs!

No, I'd rather not. I mean, don't you think this forum is already overrun enough as it is with drug talk?

Originally Posted by Oneironaught

No, I'd rather not.

Then dont read or post in this thread

Some people don't want to talk about lucid dreams on this forum so they stick to the senseless banter forum lol. You only read what you want to talk about :p

drugs arent the problem. The users are.


You can use any drug in moderation, but the heavy stuff that gets people hooked is the problem.

The users that get addicted put out a bad name for people who simply are tired of a stressful life and smoke a blunt or something to relieve themselves


people who use mind altering substances in moderation are the ones that should be seriously considered. Even strong psychedelics can be harmless if you know your stuff and you are mentally prepared.

The drug war that is portrayed in the media is what gives people their adamant believes on drugs.

thats my 2 cents, but nothing will change in the U.S. for a while. We should be worrying about education and awareness of global issues, rather than spend billions of dollars to keep people from slanging dimebags on the corner.

Originally Posted by Neruo

I think every (adult) person has the right to put into their body whatever they want, along as they don't hurt other people.

I think that this post pretty much says it all.

prohibiting mentioning psychedelics in a dreaming forum is like prohibiting mentioning snow on a skiing forum.

Listen, i know you may all turn on me now for saying this but lucid dreaming is supposed to be a fun experience that you can explore, if you haven't already noticed, this is a Lucid Dreaming forum and i think that discussing the use of drugs can be a bit irresponsible, i mean sure you could say that taking a particular drug is fine with you but what if a young member comes and reads it, then decides "What the hell, they did it, why can't i?" and this could put them in serious danger.

I think that talking about drugs is bad for this forum, there is no need for it because it is a lucid dreaming forum, not even for induction techniques to induce lucid dreams using them. Its bad because it can encourage those who are younger to do things that are illegal and its putting their life in danger.

Remember, its a Lucid Dreaming forum, not a drugs forum.

Personally I don't like censorship.

Possible Idea! I think the concerns of the Mods/Admins is of course the "kids" or teenagers etc that use the forum. Can't they just have a drug/substance (legal or illegal doesnt matter) folder that give that gives a pop-up box with a legal disclaimer that in a sense protects (legality wise) DV. I mean even legal substances/supplements could possibly do damaged if used wrong or the correct precautions were not taken.

I think SKA's post are intelligent and well thought out topics. Some drug related and others that are not. He would be missed from this forum. This forum gets bombarded with the same topics (with new threads mind you) over and over!!! Seems pointless if nothing new is brought to the table.

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

Remember, its a Lucid Dreaming forum, not a drugs forum.

By following that logic we should also delete the entire off-topic forum, right?

Originally Posted by Lucid Seeker

Listen, i know you may all turn on me now for saying this but lucid dreaming is supposed to be a fun experience that you can explore, if you haven't already noticed, this is a Lucid Dreaming forum and i think that discussing the use of drugs can be a bit irresponsible, i mean sure you could say that taking a particular drug is fine with you but what if a young member comes and reads it, then decides "What the hell, they did it, why can't i?" and this could put them in serious danger.

I think that talking about drugs is bad for this forum, there is no need for it because it is a lucid dreaming forum, not even for induction techniques to induce lucid dreams using them. Its bad because it can encourage those who are younger to do things that are illegal and its putting their life in danger.

Remember, its a Lucid Dreaming forum, not a drugs forum.

I can see a lot of that view, especially the part about illegality (along with my earlier stated view about not wanting this site or lucid dreaming to be associated with something as taboo as drugs), but I have seen evidence that some people who post here see no distinction between the lethal high drugs that are addictive and the nonlethal trip drugs that are not addictive (Though they can cloud judgment and interfere with driving ability and so forth and induce psychotic episodes in people who are already psychotic.). The U.S. government and most governments do not acknowledge the difference either. They are two very completely different things. Aside from the legality issue, alcohol is much more in a category with heroin and cocaine than mushrooms and mescaline are, and there has been a gung-ho alcohol thread at the top of Senseless Banter for ages. But alcohol is not a taboo subject because it is legal for adults and society at large does not really see alcohol as a drug, which I think is extremely insane. I don't think there is much reason for being against discussion about driving a Honda Accord to the store on the basis that Nascar racing is very life-threatening. The term "drugs" is very broad. But again, it is a taboo subject about stuff that is illegal in most cases.

I think these kids are exposed to much more talk about drugs IN SCHOOL than on any board. Not to mention the talk at school is mostly a bunch of stupid kids bragging shit like "I was SO WAISTED that I blah blah" certainly not a intelligent conversation about psychedelics. You can't hide the real world from kids, that's just impossible. Fuck censorship, if that's the way its going to be I'm leaving too.

Oh...I love how they just close the thread questioning the censorship...even better.

They are still allowed to be talked about when relevant to lucid dreaming. I see no problem with this. If you want to talk about drugs for other purposes, there are other cool forums for this. Ask me for these and ill PM the sites to you.

I think a pop up box with a legal disclaimer on the subject (of any drugs) should work. How hard would this be to make it happen Admins or Mods?