Thread: Freedom of speec--, Oops.

Originally Posted by Omnius Deus

And the man took like 30 seconds to ask what he wanted to ask, that is not disruptive. You guys act like its a slippery slope from 30 seconds to an hour but its not.

Now that is where I concede to uncertainty. Every clip that I've seen has been a clip from some point in the "middle" of his mic time. I don't know how much time he's had on the mic.

[Edit: Actually, admittedly, I just had a moment to watch the second clip of Neuro's post. That's the first time that I saw him speak from the beginning of his time at the mic. All of the clips that I've seen, before that, were snippets. I agree that (as far as time is concerned) he wasn't up there very long, but it was more than obvious that his objective wasn't to have a 'point-and-counterpoint' exchange with Kerry. He was throwing everything at Kerry that he'd had a question about. Had he any intent on letting Kerry answers those questions, he would have asked them separately (which was the impression that I'd gotten from the snippets as well). But he bombarded Kerry with all those questions (however relevant) without any honest intention to have Kerry answer each one. He was there to throw a monkey wrench in the works, not make civilized conversation, IMO.]

It looks like he might have been just starting his entire question series when he started talking in the version of the video Neruo posted. He thanked Kerry for being there, which makes it look like it was his first question. I thought he had been there for a while at that point, but apparently I might have been wrong about that. The format was apparently supposed to be that you ask a question and let Kerry answer it. That guy was obviously there to give a speech, and that's what he did. I also think the police should have told him to chill out and let Kerry speak before they put their hands on him once the microphone was turned off. It was not their first request, and the turning off of the microphone was a request itself, but it was their first request once the microphone was turned off. Still, he was asking for trouble by giving a long speech instead of playing by the rules of the forum, and his reaction to the police was a hysterical reaction that was way out of line. He should have stayed peaceful and said he was sitting down, and I really think they would have left him alone. He could have filed a complaint about the touching later if it was a big problem for him. No matter how confused the police seem, you don't refuse their demands right in front of their faces and have a temper tantrum on them and resist arrest. You can't do that. There is no room in the law to allow it.

I have had run ins with the law myself, and I was taken to that station twice when I was a teenager. I had a very serious issue with the cops the first time I was taken in. As a matter of fact, I still have an issue with it. The cops can do things that are horribly unjust. But short of demanding oral sex or something like that, you can't just start a war with them when you perceive them as unreasonable. The thing to do is remain still and speak in a peaceful voice and LATER file a complaint against them or sue them or whatever you think makes sense. But there is no room to flip the Hell out on them to their faces and resist arrest. There is no reasonable way to legalize that. Even if the cops are wrong, they don't necessarily realize that, and they are going to do what they have to do to calm you down and get you to be still and go with them out of the assembly or to the station or whatever. That has to be dealt with accordingly, but there are courts for dealing with where they went wrong in that chaotic process.

When did the guy ever even ask a question without answering it himself. He just wanted to get rude points throught. I do hate john kerry but this guy was a douche.

"im not even done yet, i have 2 more questions"... dude u never even asked one...

"I'm going to imform people, then im gonn ask my questions" lol...

"clinton was impeached because.. what... a blowjob" lol again...

"HELP VHELP HELP HELP HELP" rofl now...

"Dont taser me bro! Dont taser me bro!"

"OWWW OWWW OWWW STOP TASERING ME" omg im tearing up from laughter

This was the funniest thing to happen at an assembly for a long time.

He was harming other peoples rights to free speech and at the same time violating his own right to free speech. He was at a university, so disrupting a meeting can result in getting kicked out. and universities arent really public property so they can kick him out at any time. the cops tried to get him to stop several times. that's why they needed to detain him. then he went whining like a little baby and throwing his hands around, and resisting arrest. this gives cops the right to tase. hopefully he got raped in jail.

he could have gotten away with it if he would have actually asked questions and let kerry answer. they still would have stopped him from asking a ton of questions, like at all meetings.

I still hate kerry. I still hate cops. But they did the right thing.

Originally Posted by Michael

I still hate kerry. I still hate cops.

I do too. I forgot to mention that. I wish Kerry had acted like that guy so he could have gotten tasered. I don't like being in a position where I feel the need to take up for cops, and this is the first time I have ever taken up for that douchebag John Kerry. I don't hate all cops, but I think most of them are just a notch above the criminals they arrest, and many of them are even lower. But we do need cops, just like we need bacteria.

I agree, too. Kerry is a traitor.

Originally Posted by Oneironaut

Now that is where I concede to uncertainty. Every clip that I've seen has been a clip from some point in the "middle" of his mic time. I don't know how much time he's had on the mic.

[Edit: Actually, admittedly, I just had a moment to watch the second clip of Neuro's post. That's the first time that I saw him speak from the beginning of his time at the mic. All of the clips that I've seen, before that, were snippets. I agree that (as far as time is concerned) he wasn't up there very long, but it was more than obvious that his objective wasn't to have a 'point-and-counterpoint' exchange with Kerry. He was throwing everything at Kerry that he'd had a question about. Had he any intent on letting Kerry answers those questions, he would have asked them separately (which was the impression that I'd gotten from the snippets as well). But he bombarded Kerry with all those questions (however relevant) without any honest intention to have Kerry answer each one. He was there to throw a monkey wrench in the works, not make civilized conversation, IMO.]

While I agree his intent was obvious to "nail" Kerry I believe if he had just asked his three questions and had been asked to sit down after rather than being told to stop as soon as he mentioned election problems he would have been more civil about it, and sat down and let Kerry attempt to sakte past the issue. Though, considering who this guy is there's no guarantee after Kerry skated past the issue he wouldn't have followed up on it.