Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
Actually the only assumption I made was that you want to believe that our country is run by good people. You don't want to believe that? Fine. I guess there really are some people out there that want to believe that their country is run by bad people. Mostly, the ones profiting off of the current state of affairs.
No, you assumed I would like to think that the other posters in this thread are idiots. Your ifs were stated as counterarguments to my points, thereby illustrating your assertion that they were true. And I do want to believe that our country is run by good people. I just don't believe it. That is another assumption you made. I think politicians suck, but I think it is unfortunate that they do.

Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
As far as Israel is concerned, the only word you chose to use that I have a problem with is 'mindlessly.' I'm not sure why you chose to use it; perhaps only to undermine the intelligence of those you label terrorists. Israel and the organisations labeled terrorists both very pointedly and deliberately target civilians, and I'd like to see any scrap of evidence you could drudge up to the contrary since you originally chose to deny me without any supporting information. There is nothing mindless about the civilian casualties that Israel routinely inflicts on Palestine.
If Israel targets civilians, they are way out of line. I know they target Palestinian soldiers and key government places. Whatever it is, at least it is not mindless. It is about protection of Israel from those who are terrorists. Israel is being well preserved, so the military strategy is successful. It is not about pure rage ventilation or a quest to screw virgins. That would be terrorism. Calulated, intelligent, effective military strategy for the greater good is not terrorism. Blowing up a coffee shop to make God happy is.

Quote Originally Posted by Xaqaria View Post
I have a few questions for you; A) what evidence do you have of the liberal/conservative demographics for this forum and B) What does being liberal have to do with disagreeing with our government's actions and motives? I personally would not describe myself as a liberal, and aside from a misguided conservative attempt at an insult; no one else would either, yet I still disagree with you. From where I stand, the original conservative republican stance on foreign and domestic policy is that the government should have as little effect on our daily lives as possible and that we should avoid world conflicts at all costs; two things that are quite obviously not being done. There was a time when the Democrats were seen as the big spending war mongerers; although I know its hard to see it that way when only focusing on the current state of affairs.
A) My history of posting here. The only people with conservative foreign policy views I have ever seen post in here at all are myself, Oneironaught, Hominus Feralis and the alterego he took on after he got banned, Tdkyo, that guy who used to get severely offended over every single atheist argument in the religion forum, and one other guy who posted in here for like a month. That is a total of six people. Maybe there were like two others who were extremely temporary, but that's it. I am talking about my entire history of posting in here. The list of people with liberal foreign policy views who have posted here is in the hundreds.

B) It's the specific disagreements. They are liberal in nature. It is the left that wants immediate withdrawal from Iraq and that believes we should have never gone to war in the first place. Moderate leftists supported the war in the beginning, but now they do not. Far leftists have been against it the entire time. Plus, we have a long list of people in this forum who believe in the 9/11 inside job conspiracy, who despise Bush on a deep personal level, who support socialism, and so forth. The posters in this forum are almost all liberals. I don't hold that against them personally, but it is a fact.

That is not what is so important to my earlier point any way. What is really relevant is that the posters in this forum are very against the war in Iraq and disagree majorly with the government's rationale for why we have a terrorism problem and how it should be handled. The consensus here is very unrepresentative of the real world demographics. That is why I am completely alone in arguing my view in here.