Originally Posted by SolSkye
Horrific, eh? Under whose authority, exactly?
MINE. THE EARTH DOESN'T FUCKING EAT.
Listen, just because I'm using 'science' doesn't mean that you can discount obvious logical truths as 'bean counting'. Organisms grow through the gathering of new materials, and the Earth, which happens to be floating around in a near-vacuum, does not do so. Your analogy is terrible. I don't care if you enjoy rebelling against science for some strange reason, that does not give you license to ignore this simple truth.
Originally Posted by SolSkye
If you want to get down to the nitty-gritty, your explanation does absolutely nothing to tell me about why it does what it does, or why the universe came out of the singularity.
The only 'why' which is relevant to apply to the universe is the scientific - the mechanical - why. If you ask "why", you imply purpose. Purpose can only be inferred when a sentient being has done something - applying this concept to the universe at large is fallacious, unless you believe in creationism, which is a whole other can of worms.
If you want to go even deeper, then even human actions can be theoretically explained on a purely mechanical level. Our emotions and our constructs are held within our brains, which are material objects and should follow natural law.
Originally Posted by SolSkye
All the scientific method has ever done is just dress up the great mystery in a frilly bow tie of verbose meaninglessness. Attaching inert symbols, formulas, and characters to something like a bird fluffing it's feathers to make itself look bigger than it actually is- Inherently without meaning.
Do you know how a computer works? I'm going to assume that you don't, because to do so would require knowledge of these meaningless symbols you speak of. How about a toaster? Maybe?
Science is useful. Science is the only way which we can gain proper knowledge about the world around us, and it works. That's what it's all about. If you don't like the fact that we have to use symbols and formulas to approximate the complexities of this world, then you can go ahead and go back into the woods to play with sticks. Like I've explained, science does not answer questions of 'why' in the sense you're using it - because those questions are fallacious. If you come up with answers for those questions on your own, fine - whatever makes you happy... but those answers are also fallacious and inherently useless. Science is about making useful models of the world which allow us to predict how it will behave and create useful technology. You 'why' nonsense will never approach the usefulness of this process.
Originally Posted by SolSkye
You see, the thing is, you are actually more closeminded than I, in that regard. I have been using common sense, and I don't discount the results reached through scientific method. I just take those practical truths for what they are... at face value. Ever-changing, and forever flawed interpretations of infinity.
Though ever-changing and flawed, all scientific results hold some element of reality. You simply cannot throw away an entire theory and the data which supports it because it is 'ever changing and flawed' - your new theory will have to explain WHY the old one actually worked, as well as WHY it didn't.
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Did you look into DMT yet? The current materialistic ways of the west are afraid to delve any deeper down that rabbit hole so they made it the most illegal substance in the world, even though it's what you naturally produced in your brain during meditative states, and REM sleep. How redundant.
I did look into DMT. I obviously do not know enough about physiology and neuroscience to comprehend the effects it has on the brain (and no one does, at this point in history). However, I would think that the simplest explanation of this phenomenon is just that all human brains are very similar, and this drug affects some part of our brains which is responsible for generating the feeling we get in the presence of an authority. We are pack animals, and perhaps some part of our brain has evolved like this in order to keep the social order in place inside of a pack.
The root of the matter is, though, that I don't know. And neither do you. So please stop using the fact that this drug is illegal as if it's evidence towards its validity as a soul-freeing chemical - it's illegal because it's a psychotropic drug, not because it makes you visit God. Neither of us know, and that's as far as our conjecture on this matter can really go at this point. (If I do make it into neuroscience, I might look into this and get back to you )
Originally Posted by SolSkye
Just because you been granted the ability to memorize many terms and formulas doesn't put you in a different bracket of understanding. I think, it's high time you come down off your high horse and face that fact because you are extremely too arrogant for a 15 year old.
For the record, I actually have a terrible memory. I can't remember nearly any equations, and have to resort to actually understanding the concepts behind them well enough that I can re-derive them when necessary.
I fail to see how I am on a high horse here - you're the one claiming to have such a deep understanding of the world and talking down to me because of my age. I'm well aware of my limitations, and my exploits on this forum do not reflect arrogance, only curiosity (as far as I'm concerned).
I think you're too arrogant for a human being, really. You seem to be discounting science as a whole just because you think you've found some secret understanding that places you above the rest of the rational human race. Everyone wants to be special, everyone wants to be ahead of the system, and some people think that no one has disregarded the system before because no one was clever enough - this is simply not true. No one has completely disregarded the system because no one was foolish enough. Some people have revolutionized it, yes - but those people explained the successes and failures of the old system in good detail. You can't just ignore everything we've accomplished as a species and run off to your room to meditate and expect to gain more understanding than anyone in history.
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