Thread: Will you get the National ID card?

can I see the source so I can check it out myself?

Frankly I don't like the idea of being able to be tracked...

I'm going to put my passport in a microwave for 10 seconds before I take a flight out.

Originally Posted by ethen

can I see the source so I can check it out myself?

Frankly I don't like the idea of being able to be tracked...

don't worry about it, it's all for your safety and protection, you'll hand over your rights to them and they will do whatever they can to protect you, and it's all for your safety.

its easy to just pigeonhole anyone who doesn't just buy into this (lets face it) hard to swallow conspiracy as just another sheeple. But there are sheeple on both sides, and it doesn't really matter which side you are on. If you aren't the one doing the thinking for yourself, but instead are simply allowing others to spoon feed you potential BS information (which happens on both sides), then you're at no less of a risk of being manipulated.

Honestly, that video, even if having truths in it, was one of the most obvious propaganda films i've ever seen...

Originally Posted by Mystic7

We can't afford or have time for moonbeam either. Move out the way.

So when's the law supposed to take effect exactly? I thought I saw both spring of 08 and sometime in 09.

Yeah I haven't checked the sources of the videos I've seen but they reference the very bills about the NID when saying they'll have RFID hardware in them.

I would very much like to see them if you ever get a chance to check out your sources.

It's in Alex Jones video as well as Zeitgeist.

If it really is going to be a part of the NID thing, there should be official government documents that confirm it (like the bill in which it is proposed)

Originally Posted by ethen

If it really is going to be a part of the NID thing, there should be official government documents that confirm it (like the bill in which it is proposed)

eff the national id card

what about SSNs and Driver licenses? They are the same thing just rolled into one.

Originally Posted by ethen

what about SSNs and Driver licenses? They are the same thing just rolled into one.

No they aren't. If they were there would be no need to issue a "National ID Card". Think about it...

They are on public bills accoridng to the documentaries. They're just overcited because no one in DC reads what they're passing. They read the headline and ignore the rest.

State IDs are under the control of the state. National IDs are under the control of the federal government. Do we really need to blur the line between state and federal government even more?

This is why I love dreamviews; much free thinking going on here.

I would die before I accepted a national ID. I do not think it will be a problem anyhow, as some time next year I intend to seperate from society's grasp almost completely. I will either a) build a cabin and grow my own food, or b) become a vagabond; walking my life away.

When you do not have a car or a job, you need not worry about any of this nonsense.

Originally Posted by Jeff777

No they aren't. If they were there would be no need to issue a "National ID Card". Think about it...

Then what's different about them...aside from the benefits of making living in this country illegally much harder to do, or aside from the fact that it could make living in this country as a wanted criminal much harder to do?

What exactly it the evil secret behind this NID that people seem to think is so dubious, but at the same time are unable to put their finger on? Its just seems like this general sense of fear about this NID without a core reason behind it.

If this NID *is* going to have a tracking device in it, then I understand. That shit is not cool, and is a very big problem we all should be worrying about. The truth is that there are reasons why they are doing this, but simply because there are, doesn't mean that they are automatically "evil" reasons. Sure, the possibility is there...but I need a bit more confirmation that this possibility is actually happening instead of this unchecked paranoia where everything the government does is evil simply because the possibility is there.



This next part is just a side note.

Ever since being exposed to the whole illuminatti phenomenon, I have seen correlations between what the illuminatti stands for (mass enslavement, human destruction, etc), and what getting caught up in this crap will end up doing to people. Paranoia is one of the most effective tools of mass population enslavement, and of mass destruction.

Think about it, if they control all sides...why is this one an exception.

Problem: Currupt government that needs to be destroyed
Reaction:Anarchy and all it entails (Mass hysteria, massive casualities, and a severly crippled country needing and asking for help)
Solution: The reinstatement of a new, stronger, more controlling government where too much freedom is believed to be dangerous.

I think even if there weren't tracking chips, (and I can't say for certain there are as I haven't requested the documents via freedom of information act and read them myself, I have to trust the film-makers I've seen simply aren't lying when they say the bill mentions RFID chips) it's still another step of state power being transfered to a national bureaucracy. You know what other country is run by a National Bureaucracy? China.

-All of your rights as an American citizen if you can't present it to an Officer

Just out of curiosity, can you point me to a reference? I believe you, as I have researched the hell out of this subject and understand the purpose, but still I have not heard of anything more drastic than losing your job. If you remember where you got the info great, if not, that's okay. So far it seems they market this on the idea that it is "optional", so any real information is difficult to obtain. This being "optional" is always believable to people who do not see their privacy being sucked away; it does not affect them if they do not care. I, however, believe I have a right to be left the f alone if I so choose.

http://www.aclu.org/privacy/gen/14898res20030908.html

Anyone that looks or sounds like a foreignor and cannot present this identification would face harrassment and possible arrest.

Thanks, and yes, that is the logical conclusion. Once instituted into the mainstream, the common individual would gape at those without a label, and, as any excuse will do with human prejudices and desires, such is all they would need to harass not only foreigners, but anyone of "foreign" thought patterns.

The beauty of all this is that, ultimately, when they fully replace paper and printing, the worst that can happen by refusing this is you lose your identity; basically you do not exist. Sounds like heaven to me.

I like to think social rejects could form their own societies living in preindustrialized societies, even with electricity, just sustainably made.

May I suggest that all Americans put on black suits, a white mask, a cool tall black hat, and wield ninja sai's and bomb the parliament building while killing the government.

Fellow workers and civillians! Form together and revolt! You have nothing to lose but your chains!

Anyways, I do not advocate the ID card (however, I am not american).
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Originally Posted by O'nus

(however, I am not american).
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We don't have a parliament, but thanks for the advice.

Does anyone have any clue when this is supposed to start?

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

We don't have a parliament, but thanks for the advice.

Does anyone have any clue when this is supposed to start?

lol.. I think you missed that I was getting carried away referring to "V for Vendetta".
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Originally Posted by O'nus

lol.. I think you missed that I was getting carried away referring to "V for Vendetta".
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Oh I thought it was just some weird canadian thing.