Planet X Approaching 2012.

NASA Press Release 1992

"Unexplained deviations in the orbits of Uranus and Neptune point to a large outer solar system body of 4 to 8 Earth masses, on a highly tilted orbit, beyond 7 billion miles from the sun."

http://img412.imageshack.us/img412/5361/planetx1ol2.jpg

YOWUSA.COM, 01-June-02
“Some ten years ago the US Government itself, through its Naval Observatory, led the search for "Planet X" and the team's leader, Dr. Harrington, agreed with my ancient evidence. At that time even The New York Times wrote that all that is left regarding the existence of such a post-Plutonian planet is to name it...

I have no doubt that at the right time — right in the eyes of whoever decided these matters —the existence of Nibiru will be officially confirmed.”—Zecharia Sitchin

Surviving 2012 and Planet X - Part 1 of 5: The Threat
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8S0bj76389U&feature=related

http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6635/planetxwe6.jpg
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Planet x is approaching and it will arrive in 2012. Some sources from our past say our ancestors "Creators" Annunaki live on that planet.
Scientist say and conclude that it is a unborn SUN. Some other sources say, it has around 4 litle planets orbiting around it.


We are in the biggest threat , what shall we do about it?

*sigh* there's already ten thousand other DV threads dedicated to this..

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*sigh* there's already ten thousand other DV threads dedicated to this..

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Make that ten thousand and one ;)

in before lock

It is better than none, trust me brother. Its a treat we must take on seriously.
If we want to survive, we need to open up individuals.

Government is taking its measures towards their survival , in which 2/3 of the population will parish.

Let people decide what to do next. If they see this thread as a useless banter, than i would suggest to see the Reality doctor.

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Originally Posted by L

It is better than none, trust me brother. Its a treat we must take on seriously.
If we want to survive, we need to open up individuals.

Government is taking its measures towards their survival , in which 2/3 of the population will parish.

Let people decide what to do next. If they see this thread as a useless banter, than i would suggest to see the Reality doctor.

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look I've seen every vid on this and I'm telling you most of it is a crock of shit.

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look I've seen every vid on this and I'm telling you most of it is a crock of shit.

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Hahahah

Will see what you have to say when the time comes. At that point, its gonna be too late trust me. That Crock shit you mentioned, has no value at all, and your comments are not really mature from an invidivdual like you who is researching ufo phenomena. How about some responses like "what can we do?" and what all of us could do if we unite?

Say, are you stalking me buddy? I was just on a random page reading about this stuff...
About this Leraël character and the chosen....
Well I'll take it as a compliment (him calling me a "chosen one") but I bow to no one. Capice?

By the way...when the Mayans referred to "the end of the world" they didn't mean for us to take that literally... They meant "end of the age". Besides, this god-man is suggesting that we donate EVERYthing we have, so we can be allowed into his post-2012 kingdom. And then we will be able to enjoy everything the (dead) humans left behind..cars, houses, etc.

A god with ideas like these can go to hell...seriously.
I guess if this star REALLY want to hit earth... go ahead. :D
I'll die knowing that I didn't submit to "the system" or evil gods.

PS: I'm all for a united Earth, and keeping an open mind, love and compassion and all that.
http://www.godlikeproductions.com/fo...sage440115/pg1

i can't wait for when 2012 comes and nothing happens.

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i can't wait for when 2012 comes and nothing happens.

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The thing most douches have to understand is that...the 2012 prophecies are no sillier than a man being born of a virgin woman and him descending from the clouds one day to take all that believed in him from the earth into a magical land of fluffy bunnies and shit. I could go on about other religions but I'm sure you get the point.

Well even if you don't believe any of that stuff, there are a ton of other reasons to stock extra food and stuff. Especially here in the US where many people are talking about the crash of the dollar.

OK, this thread really deserves it...


http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...u_Du_MOnde.jpg

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btw spart, do you remember what I said that I said you wouldn't remember in chat last night?

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OK, this thread really deserves it...


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I second that motion. I didn't read this thread because I already know it's terrible.

-shrugs and joins the club :P-

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...u_Du_MOnde.jpg

http://207.199.174.56/img/Lincoln-pwned.jpg

If you don't like the thread then go away.
You don't have to reply if you aren't interested in the thread.

I'm not sure, if you some of you get the point or not. Im just letting you know its not a conspiracy nor is it a theory. IT IS A FACT. Got that?

It is indeed horrible, if you dont face it now, it will be too late when it comes.
So keep your eyes open.... and dont post these offtopic stuff, which are not related to the thread.

thanks you

It's not A FACT, it's a load of crap, and yet again you have proven yourself to be completely gullible.

Let's read about this terrible collision event on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_x

Oops. There isn't one.

Planet X is a mathematical hypothesis. A mathematical hypothesis is not something capable of destroying Earth.

I didn't bother to read your evidence but I'm sure it's just a link to a load of crap that some teenager made up.

Life has survived on this planet for a billion years, the chances that it'll be wiped out in the next four are as close to zero as makes no difference.

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How about some responses like "what can we do?" and what all of us could do if we unite?

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If...if we all united? Here on this forum? I'm guessing we couldn't do that much, really.

Here is a better way to do this. Lets list reasons why you should prepare and be ready for something like that. Probably the best thing you could do is stock extra food, so no matter what happens atleast you wont starve. Now what situation can come up that would make it difficult to get food?

1. Planet X
2. Other 2012 doomsday stuff
3. Nuclear war
4. Terrorist attack
5. Collapse of the dollar
6. Economic depression
7. Natural disaster
8. Martial law
9. Unemployment
10. A Pandemic
11. War
12. A famine
13. Increase in the cost of food

Some of them seem unlikely like the planet x stuff but others are very common, such as unemployment. Yes what a shock, even if your out of a job and have no money you still need to eat. People bring up terrorists attacks all the time, even though I dont think thats likely at all. A pandemic? Bird flu. A depression in the US seems very likely at the moment as well.

Ok now lets look at the reasons, why you shouldn't prepare anything.

1. It costs to much.
2. Its to much work.
3. You don't have the space.

Thats basicly it. The first one is silly because it doesn't cost to much. If anything if you buy bulk stuff, its even cheaper. You can actually save money by stocking food. The third one can be true some times, but you can normally find some space in your home, and it really doesn't take up to much space if your smart about it. Now the second one is probably the reason most people refuse to prepare for anything. They are just so lazy. If any of the 13 above reason happens however, it could save your life, or make it very much easier. Think of it as insurance(which can actually save you money!). It really doesn't take that much effort but it does take some. So you need to decide to do it.

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It's not A FACT, it's a load of crap, and yet again you have proven yourself to be completely gullible.

Let's read about this terrible collision event on Wikipedia:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planet_x

Oops. There isn't one.

Planet X is a mathematical hypothesis. A mathematical hypothesis is not something capable of destroying Earth.

I didn't bother to read your evidence but I'm sure it's just a link to a load of crap that some teenager made up.

Life has survived on this planet for a billion years, the chances that it'll be wiped out in the next four are as close to zero as makes no difference.

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Your statement describes your litle intellect. So your saying that NASA is full of BS and loads of shit of crap? , tell me than why do you pay nasa douzens of billions every year. If you wanna know the numbers, just search for it.
Your Public money goes to them. Not counting the Black Project which spend over 1 trillion $ behind your backs. (Ask senator Ron Paul) congress man can tell you that.

Calling the evidence inpecable and "Teenage" stuff is just pathetic to read.
This is why we hire all the scientist to give us crap? better take a look at the links i provided Xei. It will be a good homework for you. From a individual like you who reads wiki and rejects the real evidence, will get you nowhere.

Mathematical hyphotesis? , did you forget how we discovered our other planets? they were all hypthotesies made by our former scientist. So better go take a look how accurate they were.

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In 1841, John Couch Adams began investigating the by then quite large residuals in the motion of Uranus. In 1845, Urbain Le Verrier started to investigate them, too. Adams presented two different solutions to the problem, assuming that the deviations were caused by the gravitation from an unknown planet.

Sept 30, 1846 --- one week after the discovery of Neptune, Le Verrier declared that there may be still another unknown planet out there. On October 10, Neptune's large moon Triton was discovered, which yielded an easy way to accurately determine the mass of Neptune, which turned out to be 2% larger than expected from the perturbations upon Uranus.

Another attempt to find a trans-Neptunian planet was done in 1877 by David Todd. He used a "graphical method", from the residuals of Uranus, he derived elements for a trans-Neptunian planet: mean distance 52 a.u., period 375 years, magnitude fainter than 13.

In 1879, Camille Flammarion added another hint as to the existence of a planet beyond Neptune: the aphelia of periodic comets tend to cluster around the orbits of major planets. Jupiter has the greatest share of such comets, and Saturn, Uranus and Neptune also have a few each.

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Your statement describes your litle intellect. So your saying that NASA is full of BS and loads of shit of crap? , tell me than why do you pay nasa douzens of billions every year. If you wanna know the numbers, just search for it.

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I don't need to search, the answer is ZERO. Yet again your statement describes your little intellect.

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That's what we call a plural.

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http://youtube.com/watch?v=8S0bj76389U&feature=related

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That's what we call a singular.

No, I'm not going to watch some hour long amateur documentary. Link me to a press release from NASA or somebody, just SOMETHING credible, and maybe I might start paying attention to you.

By the way, can we please place a bet on this?

I bet you $10,000 that this is bullcrap. If you truly believe that you're right, you'll die anyway, so why not?

Bet as much as you want. Im not here to proove its existance, my posts purpose is to show people, what they were supposed to know.

And also, i didnt say the planet would extinct, you better re read my post before jumping on llame conclusions.

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No, I'm not going to watch some hour long amateur documentary. Link me to a press release from NASA or somebody, just SOMETHING credible, and maybe I might start paying attention to you.

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Here you go : http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...ul_planetx.htm

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"We are 100 percent confident that this is the first object bigger than Pluto ever found in the outer solar system," Brown adds.

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Planet X Nasa tracker :
Source : http://yowusa.com/planetx/2006/planetx-2006-04a/1.shtml

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America is now spending huge sums to deploy the massive The South Pole Telescope (SPT) in Antarctica. The final installation will be the size of a mini-mall and will require a massive C-130 airlift effort to transport pre-assembled modules and a large staff to the most desolate, inhospitable and inaccessible region of the world. Why? Because Planet X / Nibiru was first sighted in 1983 and this discovery spurred the USA to build the SPT — humanity's new Planet X tracker.

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http://yowusa.com/planetx/2006/plane...x-2006-04a.png

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http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...ul_planetx.htm

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Ummmm yes it's an article about the possible existence of another planet or gravitational body, which would explain some eccentricities in the orbits of the planets in our solar system.

Now you need to link me to a credible source of informations which explains how this means that we are all going to die.

Or whatever the hell it was, I don't really care.

Oh, and the bet's off then? That's a shame. You'd have had a lot to gain from it if this were true. Guess you don't actually believe that. Maybe you could have regained some of the money you wasted on the ebook that your second link was trying to sell me.

Look, like I said, we've had a perfectly normal solar system for billions of years. The chances that it'll somehow change in your lifetime are astronomical.

His L-like reasoning and quick intellect is uncanny. :?

...oh, wait...

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Ummmm yes it's an article about the possible existence of another planet or gravitational body, which would explain some eccentricities in the orbits of the planets in our solar system.

Now you need to link me to a credible source of informations which explains how this means that we are all going to die.

Or whatever the hell it was, I don't really care.

Oh, and the bet's off then? That's a shame. You'd have had a lot to gain from it if this were true. Guess you don't actually believe that. Maybe you could have regained some of the money you wasted on the ebook that your second link was trying to sell me.

Look, like I said, we've had a perfectly normal solar system for billions of years. The chances that it'll somehow change in your lifetime are astronomical.

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Listen your betting is for children who want attetion. I dont need your llame money. I care about humanity, so keep your money in your pockets will yea?

Now tell me how is this government article a book?
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2006/planetx-2006-04a/1.shtml

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Yowusa.com, 26-April-2006
Jacco van der Worp
Foreword by Marshall Masters

America is now spending huge sums to deploy the massive The South Pole Telescope (SPT) in Antarctica. The final installation will be the size of a mini-mall and will require a massive C-130 airlift effort to transport pre-assembled modules and a large staff to the most desolate, inhospitable and inaccessible region of the world. Why? Because Planet X / Nibiru was first sighted in 1983 and this discovery spurred the USA to build the SPT — humanity's new Planet X tracker.

Amongst independent researchers like us at YOWUSA.COM and the equally committed researchers with whom we share data, the 1983 IRAS observation of Planet X / Nibiru has always been a hot topic. On a private level, we often discuss how the NASA's IRAS spacecraft first captured infrared images of it back in 1983 with the same lament. Given the lack of corroboration, how can you publish a story that can easily be shot down as a rumor? That was then.

Now we have the corroboration we've lacked for years, The South Pole Telescope (SPT). Far more powerful capable and survivable than the 1983 IRAS spacecraft and Hubble Space Telescope put together, this manned observatory will soon begin tracking Planet X / Nibiru from the pristine skies of Antarctica.

Why is America spending a massive fortune to transport this massive facility with massive C-130 airlift to the most desolate, inhospitable and inaccessible region of the world to track this massive inbound? Because this is where astronomers will find their ultimate Kodak moment and this is good news. Their resulting multi-spectrum observations will translate into life-saving data.

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Please stop using excuses which have no value . Your targeting me as if i'm saying its the end of the world. How about you drop that idea and get your head working straight?

Let people discuss the potential danger coming from it.

I love this thread lol. :popcorn:

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Well the whole website seemed to want me to buy this steaming pile of shit:

http://yowusa.com/store/pxf/1.shtml

How about you find a website with the same information, but which isn't trying to sell me a book about how I can survive the cataclismic event which only seems to be mentioned on said website.

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Listen your betting is for children who want attetion. I dont need your llame money. I care about humanity, so keep your money in your pockets will yea?

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Well perhaps you could donate the $10,000 to humanitarian causes?

Even if Planet X is going to collide with Earth, do we have that much to worry about? I've seen this happen countless times, big hot shot new guy on the block tries to take over only to get his ass kicked by the real deal.

I mean just look at our history, we've invented Kung-Fu, Judo, Taekwon-Do, Samurai swords, the 9mm pistol. Our planet has been populated by mongol hordes, medieval knights; we've seen the rise of nations like the Roman Empire and the Soviet Union. Can any planet really even attempt to claim that they are as badass as we are?

No, of course not, Earth is the shit. Fear us Planet X, and GTFO of our orbit.

I reckon if Planet X does come and try and push us about, we send Spart up there with a katana and a 9mm.
Nothing could stop a pilot that knows kung-fu, judo AND taekwon-do.

well this is just silly for a number of reasons.

1. the definition of a planet:

A planet is a body that orbits the sun(or a star) that is large enough for its own gravity to make it roughly round, and has cleared its orbit of smaller objects.

If Planet x passes and has done before as stated between Mars and Jupiter there would be no asteroid belt. Given it is suposedly the size of jupiter it would swollow the asteroid belt.

2. A planet of this size would drastically alter the orbit of the planets of the solar system and infact would most liley either throw planet off their orbit into space or cause planetary collisions

3. surely 2 stars orbiting so close would eventually spiral into each other?

4. I note that the so called pictures of planet X and all the so called facts about it have no credible sources.

this theory is just silly

EDIT: I may be wrong here but I thought the orbital paths of neptune and uranus were thought to be wrong because of errors in the original calculations. Didnt this not get fixed in the 1980s or something?

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surely 2 stars orbiting so close would eventually spiral into each other?

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Most of the stars in the universe are binary systems, apparently... but there you go.

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Most of the stars in the universe are binary systems, apparently... but there you go.

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yes I am aware of that. I just figured that a star passing so close to our own would cause them to interact.

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Listen your betting is for children who want attetion. I dont need your llame money. I care about humanity, so keep your money in your pockets will yea?

Now tell me how is this government article a book?
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2006/planetx-2006-04a/1.shtml



Please stop using excuses which have no value . Your targeting me as if i'm saying its the end of the world. How about you drop that idea and get your head working straight?

Let people discuss the potential danger coming from it.

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L, you're going to have to defend yourself knowledge/sources/theories better, because so far the planet x thread is getting ripped to shreds. It's true that the ancient sumerians (who happened to be an advanced civilization who it's estimated to have lived 6,000 years ago) were very knowledgeable about our galaxy, our planets etc... (and they also knew our planets were spherical, and they also knew they revolved around the sun, this is evident in their depictions.) In their depictions of our solar system they drew 10 planets. See picture below...

http://www.edwardtbabinski.us/geocen...n_artifact.jpg

Do I believe Planet X will come in 2012 and crash into Earth? I have not seen any evidence to suggest this. Do I believe there is a Planet X/Nibiru? Sure, why not.

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I reckon if Planet X does come and try and push us about, we send Spart up there with a katana and a 9mm.
Nothing could stop a pilot that knows kung-fu, judo AND taekwon-do.

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I can't see why Planet X would want to come to Earth, that's where Tom Cruise lives.

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Well the whole website seemed to want me to buy this steaming pile of shit:

http://yowusa.com/store/pxf/1.shtml

How about you find a website with the same information, but which isn't trying to sell me a book about how I can survive the cataclismic event which only seems to be mentioned on said website.

Well perhaps you could donate the $10,000 to humanitarian causes?

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Let me make you something clear, when someone provides evidence, learn to read/watch it. Before making your own assumptions. If you dont have time for that, please dont post useless spamm. By saying that, you had time replying to the spamm posts, which were pretty much 1-2 hrs. You could have spend that time and study what i brought you (20 min material) . Instead of arguing on the topic without having proper knowledge of it.

If you like doing that in other thread's than you need a real life therapy.
I gave you proper links which you requested. You havent even looked at them, thus wasting my time, and others. IF thats your purpose of replying without having the proper knowledge of it, than your in the wrong place.

I'm not surprised that you have "Teens" behind your back, spamming as well as you do. Please leave my thread alone. And post some useful stuff, none related to betting and money.

For the others, please dont waste your time arguing with me on this topic. Just call your Nasa Headquarters and they will give you the proper answer.
It is not my problem if you cannot read the links i posted. Instead of spamming and counting up your forum counts.

The hilarious part of it , is none of the posters besides few of them such as jeff, took a look at the material.

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well this is just silly for a number of reasons.

1. the definition of a planet:

A planet is a body that orbits the sun(or a star) that is large enough for its own gravity to make it roughly round, and has cleared its orbit of smaller objects.

If Planet x passes and has done before as stated between Mars and Jupiter there would be no asteroid belt. Given it is suposedly the size of jupiter it would swollow the asteroid belt.

2. A planet of this size would drastically alter the orbit of the planets of the solar system and infact would most liley either throw planet off their orbit into space or cause planetary collisions

3. surely 2 stars orbiting so close would eventually spiral into each other?

4. I note that the so called pictures of planet X and all the so called facts about it have no credible sources.

this theory is just silly

EDIT: I may be wrong here but I thought the orbital paths of neptune and uranus were thought to be wrong because of errors in the original calculations. Didnt this not get fixed in the 1980s or something?

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I agree with mark.

Wait... you think a planet bigger than Earth is going to collide with us, and you want us to store extra food in preparation for this?


:laugh::clap: Good plan. I would also recommend a massive group huge project before the moment of impact.

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Wait... you think a planet bigger than Earth is going to collide with us, and you want us to store extra food in preparation for this?


:laugh::clap: Good plan. I would also recommend a massive group huge project before the moment of impact.

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Where do u guys get these assumtions from? have i ever said anything about planets collision? ....gosh why am i still replying to this nonsense.

Please read the damn thread before making stupid assumptions and conclusions!!

Didn't you say [at the start of the thread] the planet was of 4-8 earth masses?
I thought it was the size of jupiter (ie. >100 earth masses).

And someone (maybe the video?) stated that after the flyby "Nibiru" will fly off into another part of the galaxy. And you think this has happened before? Remember a planet hardly "orbits" a star if it spends most of its time somewhere else.

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Please read the damn thread before making stupid assumptions and conclusions!!

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It seems that for every claim that has even a vaguely credible source (which is more often than not misinterpreted), conspiracy theorists make ten assumptions based on no proof at all.

The video stated that "Nibiru was orbiting a dark star with six planets". Where on earth did that come from? First off, black drawves are hypothetical anyway, because they are impossible to detect and most likely the universe is not old enough to contain one. But, even if they were, what's with all the mad claims?

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Here you go : http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2...ul_planetx.htm

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That article is about Eris, a confirmed dwarf planet far smaller than Earth and in no way on collision course with it. Using it as proof of any existing "Planet X" is inappropriate and just silly.

L -

Looking at things objectively is a truly enlightening process. Examine evidence, think about people's motives, think about the credibility of sources (especially your favourite one www.yowusa.com). You will find far more interesting things that have real, objective evidence than a boring old armageddon fantasy (for it is not a theory).

What you have been is suggestable. You've done a thorough search of YouTube, and of silly websites; and you've taking it in as truth, without investigating the cited sources yourself. 2012 is not a bad hoax - all you'll do is wake up on January 1st 2013 a bit confused but happy to be alive. But you need to learn to be more independently minded lest you fall into something more sinister - a cult, a scam, fraud, etc.

What's with this latest trend of people creating text that slowly types across the screen and calling it a "video?" I can't waste my time by reading something that reveals itself at about 1/10 my reading speed, and which could easily have been a page of text with a photo or two. Talk about wasting bandwidth!

Now that I've gotten that out of my system, my other gripe:

Will people please stop wasting their own time and ours by peppering threads with the meaningless, and typically capitalized "IT'S A FACT!!" Whenever I see these words, my first assumption is always that there is no credible evidence whatsoever, else it would speak for itself. (And newsflash... it does not in this case).

Considering there are many, many countries across the world with scientific methods of looking out into space, a mere US conspiracy would be pitifully insufficient to cover up the story of the millenia.

If I wake up januari 1 2013, and nothing has changed; I'm gonna blow something up. I mean seriously, I want change, good OR bad.
I think this "theory" is crap.

Right...

I don't know whether this is real or not, but I do know something like this would make a hugely cool movie :D

Right... that, and I'd like to know what the piece of music in that 'nibiru'-video was. Pure brilliance ^^

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Let me make you something clear, when someone provides evidence, learn to read/watch it. Before making your own assumptions. If you dont have time for that, please dont post useless spamm. By saying that, you had time replying to the spamm posts, which were pretty much 1-2 hrs. You could have spend that time and study what i brought you (20 min material) . Instead of arguing on the topic without having proper knowledge of it.

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It's a propaganda video trying to sell a 'HOW TO SURVIVE PLANET X!!!' book. That's NOT EVIDENCE, you goon. -_-

Now, provide a link to a credible source of information with actually backs any of those claims up, or just shut up. You recently said you did but I couldn't find it.

I just spent 5 minutes reading about Planet X; it was probably a complete waste of time, but basically it turns out to be an old mathematical hypothesis to explain discrepancies in the orbits of some of the outer planets. It turns out that some of the mass values of these planets were wrong, and now there are no discrepancies in planetary orbits, making the evidence for planet X's existence pretty much zero.

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....gosh why am i still replying to this nonsense.

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Oooh... thanks for the epiphany, actually.

No, not really. When people post such things I think it is a combination of being bored, having the thirst for a savior to drop out of the sky and change their dreary lives somehow. Not only that, but an attempt to create a sense of community out of supposed 'revelation' that has been rehashed and rehashed by various doomsayers and doomscholars for god knows how long.

We have a lot more to worry about than Edgar Cayce's and Michael Tsarion's predictions about the rapture and the upheavals of 2012. If it happens so be it, but the real prophesies are those that lie in our own creation. Chemical, biological, and nuclear. I think that such people that throw the red klaxon around with such ease are actually hoping and praying for an initiation of such an event because modern culture has disenfranchised and consumed their individuality to the point where they long for its self-destruction.

Believe me, I would know. I am a puppet that can see his own strings.

I feel like a puppet too. But I'm gonna try to cut those strings...and run away.

We are in fact the malevolent puppeteers of our own lives whether we believe it or not. I have been tending to think lately that I am my own worst enemy in that regard. Self-stereotyping, locking ourselves into predetermined patterns of behavior, and conforming to the status quo as often as possible are representations of this evil I bear witness to.

One wonders whether it is genetics or crowd psychology that plays a larger role in this; I would like to think it's the latter.

OK, I'm going on a tangent, I have to get my feet back on track: From a cosmic perspective, the whole shebang seems highly unlikely. I have two scenarios in my head, one that happens so fast that we wont even be anywhere remotely conscious of it until it does happen, and two that we are so young as a species, that only likely a dramatic event like this will only happen well after we are gone.

However, who knows about humankind, this itself is a huge experiment on a planetary scale.

I tend to think that around this point of time is where limiting factors will be imposed on us by the planet. If we let our intellect to override our animalistic nature then it is a possibility we can save the status quo. This is a pipe dream; the status quo necessarily lends to the planet's destruction.

We need to override our instincts, but what we are doing to our planet (and ourselves) is unacceptable. We need to change the way we look at ourselves and our place in the world, and that is (probably) something that doesn't happen overnight. If the 'spiritual (r)evolution' of 2012 turns out to be BS, then I'll be able to tell what started it in the first place. It is our will to change. while some, or most, individuals want to 'stick to the program' and just live 'ordinary lives' like everybody else; some people like me desire change. I think that some people got so desperate (changing an entire race takes ages) that they came up with a date (in this case a date from an ancient civilisation) and said that the 'great change' will happen then.

I prefer to believe this spiritual evolution though, because in this world; anything may happen. And like what Troubadour said, we are a relatively young species. What makes us thing we know everything?

At the moment I am preparing myself for 3 possible scenarios:
Near future: Our (and especially my) destruction (global warming, war, ..)
2012: Something beneficial happens for mankind
2012: Nothing happens.

The significance of Planet X is that it opposes several questions as well several answers towards our past. This thread was created for us to conclude, its existence because it can be seen in the sky (East coast). It might as well be fake, but i wouldn't be so sure especially when our past planets discoveries were concluded as fake until they were spotted. People tend to see the object before believing, this is the biggest mistake a human could do. Our Visual sense is far from perfect. And filters mostly 8x%+

The video i posted in this thread, has been reviewed in my college as part of the program. Not even a single teacher could point out thats its "Fake", because they have the lack of knowledge about it. Nasa revealed its existence which is 3-4 times the mass of earth. We can also conclude that it has planets orbiting it. We dont loose anything by doing so.
The links i provided were for Xei, due to his lazy attitude of reading and listening, i pointed out those links. Now, debating with him on something he hasnt even looked at makes me just close this thread. Its disrespectful and arrogant towards a community member.

I took my time, and posted the links, take your time and review them before jumping on me like a rabbit. If you dont know, just call NASA headquarters. You pay them your tax money, let them inform you about it. If you dont believe the people around internet. Than get your ass up and research it your self.

My point view of this upcoming event, is none. I went trough allot of garbage and experiences. In this world, anything is possible for each of us. Those who keep a open mind, will eventually experience the unexperienced.

Why don't you guys, go and try to proove me wrong? give me some valuable links, so i could review them. Aren't we a community who is supposed to help each other? if thats so, i don't see it happening.

The conclusion i made was made purposely for you to prove me wrong. As you see, the only thing i see in this thread, is some activity that goes against my factor. Without you backing it up.

Xei.: If your so smart, mind telling me why haven't you linked me to a source that has accurate information towards the fakeness of planet x?
-If so, than link me to it. If your lazy to do that, than why the heck do you post here, is it because of the posts counts?

I took my time and gave you the links, and once again you have declined its Source as fake. I have nothing else to say towards you.

Go and prove me wrong.

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...it can be seen in the sky (East coast).

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Nasa revealed its existence which is 3-4 times the mass of earth

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...beyond 7 billion miles from the sun."

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This in itself is proof.

An object only 3-4 (or even 4-8, according to the OP) times the mass of earth as far away as you claim being visible to the naked eye? Worse, during daylight according to those photos!

Let's put this in perspective, shall we?

Jupiter's Volume is 1321 that of Earth's, even though it is only about 318 times the mass of Earth. The low mass is due to its being mostly or entirely made out of gasses. The closest Jupiter gets to Earth is about 390 million miles. At such times, you can actually see it with your naked eye, though not with the sun glaring.

Even if planet X were composed of light gasses and with a similar density to Jupiter, it would be about 40 times smaller even at your largest estimate of 8 Earth Masses. At 7 billion miles from the sun, it would be about 18 times further away, making it about one 720th the apparent size of Jupiter at its closest Earth approach. It would take a damn powerful telescope to pick this up optically.

Can we move on yet?

Ehm...Actually you are supposed to prove us wrong, not the other way around. This is just you choosing the easy way out, without having to show us evidence.

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The significance of Planet X is that it opposes several questions as well several answers towards our past. This thread was created for us to conclude, its existence because it can be seen in the sky (East coast). It might as well be fake, but i wouldn't be so sure especially when our past planets discoveries were concluded as fake until they were spotted. People tend to see the object before believing, this is the biggest mistake a human could do. Our Visual sense is far from perfect. And filters mostly 8x%+

The video i posted in this thread, has been reviewed in my college as part of the program. Not even a single teacher could point out thats its "Fake", because they have the lack of knowledge about it. Nasa revealed its existence which is 3-4 times the mass of earth. We can also conclude that it has planets orbiting it. We dont loose anything by doing so.
The links i provided were for Xei, due to his lazy attitude of reading and listening, i pointed out those links. Now, debating with him on something he hasnt even looked at makes me just close this thread. Its disrespectful and arrogant towards a community member.

I took my time, and posted the links, take your time and review them before jumping on me like a rabbit. If you dont know, just call NASA headquarters. You pay them your tax money, let them inform you about it. If you dont believe the people around internet. Than get your ass up and research it your self.

My point view of this upcoming event, is none. I went trough allot of garbage and experiences. In this world, anything is possible for each of us. Those who keep a open mind, will eventually experience the unexperienced.

Why don't you guys, go and try to proove me wrong? give me some valuable links, so i could review them. Aren't we a community who is supposed to help each other? if thats so, i don't see it happening.

The conclusion i made was made purposely for you to prove me wrong. As you see, the only thing i see in this thread, is some activity that goes against my factor. Without you backing it up.

Xei.: If your so smart, mind telling me why haven't you linked me to a source that has accurate information towards the fakeness of planet x?
-If so, than link me to it. If your lazy to do that, than why the heck do you post here, is it because of the posts counts?

I took my time and gave you the links, and once again you have declined its Source as fake. I have nothing else to say towards you.

Go and prove me wrong.

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Ehm...Actually you are supposed to prove us wrong, not the other way around. This is just you choosing the easy way out, without having to show us evidence.

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I'm gonna ask you once again, have you looked at my links?

-If so, proove something wrong in that video.
-If so, Show me links that contradict its existance.

I provided my evidence, take it as you want, but having the time to reply in my thread , means you have time to look at the evidence i provided.
The one choosing the easy way around is you. That statement, just proves me how little you know on the specific subject. You tend to follow the same path as the others do, by contradicting me, without having any significant proof.

This also explains why most of you have these conclusions of "Collision" from, you draw that from the links i provided, they are not related to my own conclusion. If you would have read my first post, you would have seen the conclusion i stated. It has nothing to do with planets collision. "It is a probability" that the planets could somehow collide with each other. It is the same thing as invading a country that has no nuclear weapons. The probability is low, and yet worth of exploring.

Stop asking me to prove you wrong, because for me, a lie has some truth in it. I tend to accept everything as a possibility, and at the same time reject its existence.

Our past scientist have been proven wrong about many things, such as atoms, nuclear power. And yet, we discovered that we were indeed wrong. And that those who tried to show us the possibility, were rejected as garbage. This is a common factor, we all humans have.

Give me links that contradict the links i provided.

L,

I already contradicted your post with sound mathematics. Care to address it?

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I simply read the Wikipedia article on Planet X.

The source of information that shows that no other body is needed to explain any eccentricities in planetary orbits is The Neptune File: A Story of Astronomical Rivalry and the Pioneers of Planet Hunting, by Tom Standage, pg. 188, and also there's a good page at this website: http://kencroswell.com/HopesFadeInHuntForPlanetX.html

There's also a good one here: http://www.planet-x.150m.com/

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-If so, proove something wrong in that video.
Our past scientist have been proven wrong about many things, such as atoms, nuclear power. And yet, we discovered that we were indeed wrong.

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Well, you win the prize for general ignorance of how the scientific method works.

Something that is 4-8 times the mass of the Earth could never be a brown dwarf star. Jupiter is about 317.8 times the mass of the earth, and yet that planet hasn't even gone through the supposed stages of a brown dwarf star. Jupiter even emits it's own radiation, but it's hardly a star by any means.

Now... if something with the mass of 4-8 Earths could cause such chaos, first of all... it'll need to come close enough to the Earth in order for gravitational forces to work their wonder. Second, the orbits will need to coincide in a specific manner in order for these gravitational forces to occur. And thirdly, if something like this was on it's way, we would certainly know about it in the mainstream media. The vids simply stink of doom-saying and the like, and ANYTHING that quotes the bible and various religious texts and tries to make it scientific fact just does not stick with me.

I've heard enough messages of incoming apocalypses, I've even had dreams of nuclear destruction, etc... But have they happened? No... and I don't think it will happen. To be honest, if it comes, so what. At least things will get interesting, so to speak. :lol:

Xei, if you didnt know, wiki is one of the worst sources you could ask for validation from.
They are a organization that profits on donations, and regulates its sources with world wide individuals. The reliability of that is 30-35%.

The issue in this thread is, the factor of ignorance. We could have easely discuss the probability's on how the magnetic field of the 12th planet could affect our own.
And discuss what measures the government takes in order to save them selfs.

Such as underground bases : http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/cosmicunder.html

South Pole Telescope (SPT) — America’s New Planet X :Tracker:
http://yowusa.com/planetx/2006/planetx-2006-04a/1.shtml

Now can someone of you tell me, why is Nasa spending all that money on that South Pole telescope to track planet x? if its really a fake, why are we building it with our own money? We could have easily spend that money for our own education and space programs.

Tell me , if it really was that fake, why did the scientist allow the building of the telescope. Why did the space agency allow its construction and the budget to go trough. As we all know, it extends to millions of $$.

Im sure that our government wouldn't waste their money for nothing, after all they like to keep $$ in their own pockets. And yet here we see, a project that is supposedly taken as fake.

Contradict me on this one. I would like to see the responses.

When I see that red thing in the sky in 2009, I'll think you are somewhat right. But who's to say that the red thing will cause all of that?

Since when did I link you to Wikipedia?? I just gave you three separate sources of information and you just completely ignored them.

And NASA isn't using the telescope to track Planet X (congratulations, by the way, for linking to the same ebook selling website YET AGAIN as evidence for that). You can read about it here: http://spt.uchicago.edu/public/science.html

All I had to do for that one was Google for South Pole Telescope... :|

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Since when did I link you to Wikipedia?? I just gave you three separate sources of information and you just completely ignored them.

And NASA isn't using the telescope to track Planet X (congratulations, by the way, for linking to the same ebook selling website YET AGAIN as evidence for that). You can read about it here: http://spt.uchicago.edu/public/science.html

All I had to do for that one was Google for South Pole Telescope... :|

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Infra-red sky searches are usually conducted on space-based platforms, like IRAS in the 1980s, and SIRTF, soon to be launched. There are some telescopes on the ground, in Hawaii and Chile, which make use of altitude to minimise the affect of atmospheric water vapour absorbing the infra-red radiation travelling through the atmosphere from space. But even these locations only allow for a study of part of the whole I.R. spectrum. It seems as thought Antarctica may also be joining the list of Earth-based sites facilitating infra-red studies, vital to the detection of brown dwarfs and other exotic astronomical objects:

"A new 10 meter diameter telescope is being constructed for deployment at the NSF South Pole research station. The telescope is designed for conducting large-area millimeter and sub-millimeter wave surveys of faint, low contrast emission, as required to map primary and secondary anisotropies in the cosmic microwave background. The SPT is a collaboration between the U of Chicago, UC Berkley, Case Western Reserve University, U of Illinois, and Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, and its primarily funded thought NSF OPP."

http://spt.uchicago.edu/ Thanks to Mattia

"The first key project will be to conduct a survey over approximately 4000 degrees for galaxy clusters using the Sunyaev-Zel'dovich Effect. This survey should find many thousands of clusters with a mass selection criteria that is remarkably uniform with redshift. Armed with redshifts obtained from optical and infrared follow-up observations, it is expected that the survey will enable significant constraints to be placed on the equation of state of the dark energy."

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Now tell me how that contradicts the planet x theory.

You just challenged everybody to refute your claim that the SPT is being built to track Planet X! Remember??

And you still said nothing about the other links you asked me for.

Oh forget it, you clearly have deep underlying mental issues, or you simply enjoy wasting people's time.

Man, come one...
You're just like those theïsts... You just come up with a story you can't prove right or wrong and cause confusion.

Where's Carousoul when you need him? I remember him talking about a flying spaghetti monster...

You gave me a link that describes the telescope characteristics and abilities.
For the public view.

I asked you to tell me how it contradicts the tracking of Planet x. It has all the measures it needs to track Dwarf's. And other planets with its infrared sensor.

And the link i provided you is part of a press release. And please the one wasting time is you. On the contrary i asked for sources that could prove me wrong. Which haven't been posted yet.

You attack me back by saying i need to post more links to prove you wrong.
The issue is prove you wrong in what. Everything you said is not backed up.

We can continue to argue, but we will get nowhere its a waste of time.
Either way, i assume you want to continue contradicting me. As part of your wasting time plan.

L, you are clearly an idiot. If you are a troll and you all you wanted to do was extract this response, then fine, but you are still an idiot.

If you aren't a troll, then gosh darn I feel sorry for you.

Oh and, by the way, Wikipedia is a more credible source than www.yowusa.com, which you have been citing consistently as though it were.

Time waster.

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L, you are clearly an idiot. If you are a troll and you all you wanted to do was extract this response, then fine, but you are still an idiot.

If you aren't a troll, then gosh darn I feel sorry for you.

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Mature response from an individual who has no brains on his own.
Calling me a troll , just says how insignificant your intellect is.

A direct attack like that does not require you to use your little brain.
How about you use them to contradict me, If you of course can.

Be mature kid, theres no need for direct insults. After all we are all grown ups here am i right?

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Man, come one...
You're just like those theïsts... You just come up with a story you can't prove right or wrong and cause confusion.

Where's Carousoul when you need him? I remember him talking about a flying spaghetti monster...

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I think it's in a three way battle between chuck norris and bruce lee. Probably that's what's causing all the destruction and chaos... it's merely collateral damage from such an epic battle. :lol:

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How about you use them to contradict me, If you of course can.

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You've been proved wrong umpteen times in this thread, I felt no need to exert myself in order to do it again, as you'd only accuse it of being false or not "credible".

If you go back to the previous page you would find that I was verging on compassionate then. I really do get concerned about suggestable folks like you who take in anything sensational and turn a deaf ear to sense and objectivity.

I don't really want to believe you opened this thread to antagonise, but you have stubbornly and foolishly rejected well-meaning reason.

There are better ways of seeking attention.

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Calling me a troll , just says how insignificant your intellect is.

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Is there anybody you haven't said that to yet?

We'd all be deeply hurt, I'm sure, if it wasn't coming from the guy who educates us about how taxes are largely spent on 'education and space'.

Seeking attention? may i ask how old are you?

I dont think we are here to seek attention are we? , after all we all have a life to live.

Noone has proven me wrong in this thread. Go back and re read the thread. And show me what has been proven wrong.

The main thing that comes to mind is Planet X, for a start.

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If I wake up januari 1 2013, and nothing has changed; I'm gonna blow something up. I mean seriously, I want change, good OR bad.
I think this "theory" is crap.

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It would actually be December 21-22, 2012, if that's what you're getting at.

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The main thing that comes to mind is Planet X, for a start.

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Sharp.

L, I am 21 years old tomorrow, I am well educated, and I would consider myself sensible and sound of mind. You?

Why do I always have to think of the words "Lock thread, ban N00B" when I see this thread..?
It's obvious that this is no productive "debate".

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It would actually be December 21-22, 2012, if that's what you're getting at.

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The mayan calender isn't perfect. It would be stupid to kill yourself because you were impatient... Imagine :P The entire world evolves to the next level 1 day after I killed myself...That'd be..dumb.

in just for laughs

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Sharp.

L, I am 21 years old tomorrow, I am well educated, and I would consider myself sensible and sound of mind. You?

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If you were that well educated, you wouldn't use a direct insult towards a community member. It just proves how immature you are.

Theres a good saying, : When you kill an ennemy make sure to dig a hole for your enemy, as well one for your self.

How about we get back to Planet X disccusion. We stepped out towards insults, which is totally immature. Shall we?

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Why do I always have to think of the words "Lock thread, ban N00B" when I see this thread..?
It's obvious that this is no productive "debate".

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So many good threads on dreamviews go to the shits because of flamers but then again alot don't.

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The mayan calender isn't perfect.

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Oh, but it is!

You still didn't address Skysaw's post...

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You still didn't address Skysaw's post...

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If there was ever a good time to post the elephant stomp picture...it'd be now.

Of course it's not perfect. :roll: yes i know you're being sarcastic Mark

I don't see any raw evidence here, I don't find those sites credible.

The point isn't to disprove you, you created the thread L, you need to back up what you said.

And make sure to address what everyone says, you poorly defend what you say by skipping some posts and replying to some.

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If there was ever a good time to post the elephant stomp picture...it'd be now.

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It's been done already, I'll wait a bit for the second wave :P.

about that mayan calender...
Depends on whay you you compare it with, I guess.
It is perfect, from their perspective, and when compared to the sun and Moon. Our calender is a little bit different though. (0.000012234 days for example)

Great debates were started by our ancestors, and a dedicative answer emerged within that debate. We are debating on a factor that cannot be approved or dis-aproved. And yet it provokes questions.

Who ever i direct insulted, please dont take it as a direct insult. We are all here to debate. And draw conclusions. Who ever insulted me, please keep in mind, that it just provokes more anger. Im enjoying this thread, because it provokes our intellects to respond and defend the believes which we settled inside of us.

:) thumbs up!

I guess we can't expect a reply to my post then. I was hoping you'd at least take a stab at it.

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But it can be disproved.

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I guess we can't expect a reply to my post then. I was hoping you'd at least take a stab at it.

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Hey, don't get upset...Chaplain Tim was evasive whenever he couldn't answer something either. ;)

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Hey, don't get upset...Chaplain Tim was evasive whenever he couldn't answer something either. ;)

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Don't I know it! I posted my simple and respectful question to him twice, and he continued to answer other posts around mine.

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But it can be disproved.

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If so, than go ahead and share us, some sources, i would have been grateful for that.

After all, who needs a treat like that to be real?

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Don't I know it! I posted my simple and respectful question to him twice, and he continued to answer other posts around mine.

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I havent had a look at your question, i will look it up now.

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This in itself is proof.

An object only 3-4 (or even 4-8, according to the OP) times the mass of earth as far away as you claim being visible to the naked eye? Worse, during daylight according to those photos!

Let's put this in perspective, shall we?

Jupiter's Volume is 1321 that of Earth's, even though it is only about 318 times the mass of Earth. The low mass is due to its being mostly or entirely made out of gasses. The closest Jupiter gets to Earth is about 390 million miles. At such times, you can actually see it with your naked eye, though not with the sun glaring.

Even if planet X were composed of light gasses and with a similar density to Jupiter, it would be about 40 times smaller even at your largest estimate of 8 Earth Masses. At 7 billion miles from the sun, it would be about 18 times further away, making it about one 720th the apparent size of Jupiter at its closest Earth approach. It would take a damn powerful telescope to pick this up optically.

Can we move on yet?

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The telescope that picked the planet x up was Nasa Infrared space telescope.
Scientist calculated that the mass of the heat, that the planet produced is as powerful as a dwarf would be. Planet x Must be bigger in this case, than jupiter. Other wise its orbit wouldn't be so egg stretched.

The magnetic pulse of our planets could had been the trigger of planet x arrival. On the contrary, it could had been in our solar system for ages, since its orbit is 3600 years. Which means, somewhere in the B.C's our ancestors must have seen it. There are many recordings of it. Such as Mayans,the Bible etc...

And yes, the dwarf can have little planets the size of pluto, Neptune around it. I don't see any physical law forbiting it from forming that way.

The aspect that it is on our own orbit, is obvious due to our own sun. It is greater and bigger than the dwarf.

The problem arises, when we might occur between both the Sun and the Dwarf. In this case, since two powerful magnetic pulses go straight into us, will extend big catastrophes and maybe a shift in poles.

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certainly,
http://www.badastronomy.com/bad/misc/planetx/index.html
this site is a bit dated, it talks about how planet X was suppose to pass through the inner solar system in 2003, but everything can still be applied to today.

If that's true, then I hope that our own magetic field is tough enough to deflect all that radiation...Aurora Borealis will look NICE!

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The telescope that picked the planet x up was Nasa Infrared space telescope.
Scientist calculated that the mass of the heat, that the planet produced is as powerful as a dwarf would be. Planet x Must be bigger in this case, than jupiter. Other wise its orbit wouldn't be so egg stretched.

The magnetic pulse of our planets could had been the trigger of planet x arrival. On the contrary, it could had been in our solar system for ages, since its orbit is 3600 years. Which means, somewhere in the B.C's our ancestors must have seen it. There are many recordings of it. Such as Mayans,the Bible etc...

And yes, the dwarf can have little planets the size of pluto, Neptune around it. I don't see any physical law forbiting it from forming that way.

The aspect that it is on our own orbit, is obvious due to our own sun. It is greater and bigger than the dwarf.

The problem arises, when we might occur between both the Sun and the Dwarf. In this case, since two powerful magnetic pulses go straight into us, will extend big catastrophes and maybe a shift in poles.

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...a large outer solar system body of 4 to 8 Earth masses...

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Planet x Must be bigger in this case, than jupiter.

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Do you mind telling us which of these two statements is the current theory? There is a whopping discrepancy you've got to explain there.

If Jupiter would get any bigger, it could had easely become a Dwarf, or a new Sun.

Did NASA Accidentally “Nuke” Jupiter?
Source : http://www.enterprisemission.com/NukingJupiter.html
Source : http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/JUPFULLx.htm
Source : http://www.xenophilia.com/blog/?p=4209

We tend to compare the dwarf with Jupiter. Which implies a huge question.
Can Jupiter become a Sun? there has been a Nuclear reaction in Jupiter in 2003.

http://www.xenophilia.com/blog/wp-co...03-meekers.jpg

What im getting to is, The possibility of Jupiter becoming a new born star is possible within the scientist. The black Spot in that picture, is the cause of the nulcear reaction.

Planet X if it holds any extraterrestrials, and if it were a battlefield, with nuclear power. Than that could have easily explain why it is a dwarf. Due to the nuclear reaction.

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-If planet x would be the size of Jupiter, than i really wanna ask a question how did it become a dwarf.
-So the only explanation acceptable would be that its bigger than Jupiter. For planet x to become a dwarf. Due to its enormous size full of gazes.

SkySaw : Im reading the link you posted. It is a good source thank you.

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-So the only explanation acceptable would be that its bigger than Jupiter. For planet x to become a dwarf. Due to its enormous size full of gazes.

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Ok, so now explain the discrepancy. Why the sudden change? Did it suddenly become hundreds of times more massive since your original post?

Umm... If Planet X was bigger than Jupiter and only have the mass of 4-8 Earths... it would be very loose cloud of gas. Nothing like Jupiter or Saturn. Please explain further on this little fact that is derived by basic maths.

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yes, if it got about 13 times more massive.

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The mayan calender isn't perfect. It would be stupid to kill yourself because you were impatient... Imagine :P The entire world evolves to the next level 1 day after I killed myself...That'd be..dumb.

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Yeah, sorry. :/

I just grow tired of people saying stuff like "The world's ending!" and saying all the wrong dates(as far as we know).

I don't think the world is gonna end. :P
That's just BS...

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Yeah, sorry. :/

I just grow tired of people saying stuff like "The world's ending!" and saying all the wrong dates(as far as we know).

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You don't know what the queers are doing to the soil.

I take this stuff with a grain of salt, even if I don't know how true it is. There have been plenty of false doomsdays in the past though I can't say much since I havn't researched them, but I think people have probably misinturpreted something, I mean it was probably decided that there is a 99.9% chance that there might be another planet out there that might join are solar system.

The one reason that convinces me is you would hear this alot more in todays society if it were likely.

Nothing had better happen in 2012. I'm going to be 25, have a well paying job, and be in next best years of my life (college being the best). So yeah, 2012 is not cool for me.

Nothing will happen in 2012. Y2K never happened in the new millennia, 2006 was another year in which doom should have happened. In fact, in lots of cases, nothing has happened after a bunch of people cry "The End Is Nigh!". In this example, all the evidence is flaky and composed of poor physics and is still reliant on biblical quotes in order to prophecise the 'impending doom' (a pattern followed by ALL cries of nearing apocalypse).

If anything, go read into a lot of the links that the various skeptics of this forum have posted. I think that should be taken into account when considering how valid this current claim is.

Nothing also happened in 2003, the year they originally told us Planet X was coming. I suppose someone thinks if you just keep moving the deadline, you can keep the same story going forever.

Welcome to 2012 thread #45643254-xcvvds-0233332112-ddfaxxw!!!

Please enjoy your stay.

Now with half the content and twice the paranoia!! ;)

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Welcome to 2012 thread #45643254-xcvvds-0233332112-ddfaxxw!!!

Please enjoy your stay.

Now with half the content and twice the paranoia!! ;)

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yeah they're gonna talk about 12:12:12 now. which is like 666 only twice as bad:P

I happen to know nothing about Planet X, astrology, or the like. I know very little about 2012, except that its the end of the Mayan Calendar (when we talked about it in class, and our teacher said five minutes later that it was more accurate than the English calendar, I jokingly say "lets wait until after 2012, then see who's most accurate" ...but I digress). I am one of those people who have just been reading this thread, passing over the arguments and merely assuming which side is right.

Here's something I DO know, however, and I'm surprised no one has brought this up.

If we prove that Planet X is real (yes, this conglomerate of... given, we are gifted people, but I wouldn't call us MENSA members) and that its going to destroy the world, great. If we disprove it, fantastic.

But if you go all of the members of Dream Views to agree one way or the other, would it make a damned bit of difference? This small population amidst all the skeptics and doomsayers in the world?

This thread is utterly pointless, unless you really CARE whether its real or not. If you don't believe its real, and it is, you die. If you do believe its real, you won't convince enough people to make a damned bit of difference, so you'll die too. So what does it matter what you believe?

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This thread is utterly pointless, unless you really CARE whether its real or not. If you don't believe its real, and it is, you die. If you do believe its real, you won't convince enough people to make a damned bit of difference, so you'll die too. So what does it matter what you believe?

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It matters to me because it pains me to see people so easily duped. In such times, succeptable people waste time, energy, and money. All resources that could be spent on real problems.

But its just as impossible for you to convince the doomsayers as it is for them to convince you. Don't you understand that?

Use your gift of a skeptic intellect on the real problems, and stop wasting YOUR time on this, which isn't the problem.

Believe me, minds that are "wasted" on this sort of thing really won't make a difference for the real problems anyway XD

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But its just as impossible for you to convince the doomsayers as it is for them to convince you. Don't you understand that?

Use your gift of a skeptic intellect on the real problems, and stop wasting YOUR time on this, which isn't the problem.

Believe me, minds that are "wasted" on this sort of thing really won't make a difference for the real problems anyway XD

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I'm not trying to convince the OP, necessarily. Those who post such garbage are usually beyond hope. I'm trying to keep more people from falling under the spell of percieved doom.

Well, just take what I said, and switch it around with "people who would believe it". XD

I sorta get your point. But you're much more patient than I am.

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Well, just take what I said, and switch it around with "people who would believe it". XD

I sorta get your point. But you're much more patient than I am.

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It's one of my many missions in life to save innocent people from bad science.

I saw a documentary about the "new-born Christians" today... It was horrible to see little kids (6 year olds) getting brain washed by a preacher.
Now THAT is a problem...those kids cannot think for themselves yet and are easy targets...
(It was called "Camp Jesus", or "Jesus Camp")

God dammit is this 1983 (or was it 84?) all over again?

Or even 2000?

There's no end to it is there?

21/12/12 will pass, fuck all will happen and we'll go on with out everyday lives. And if we don't then I'll be proved wrong but beleive you me I would actually hope something would happen becaus eI'm so bored with life as it is now :(

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I happen to know nothing about Planet X, astrology, or the like. I know very little about 2012, except that its the end of the Mayan Calendar (when we talked about it in class, and our teacher said five minutes later that it was more accurate than the English calendar, I jokingly say "lets wait until after 2012, then see who's most accurate" ...but I digress). I am one of those people who have just been reading this thread, passing over the arguments and merely assuming which side is right.

Here's something I DO know, however, and I'm surprised no one has brought this up.

If we prove that Planet X is real (yes, this conglomerate of... given, we are gifted people, but I wouldn't call us MENSA members) and that its going to destroy the world, great. If we disprove it, fantastic.

But if you go all of the members of Dream Views to agree one way or the other, would it make a damned bit of difference? This small population amidst all the skeptics and doomsayers in the world?

This thread is utterly pointless, unless you really CARE whether its real or not. If you don't believe its real, and it is, you die. If you do believe its real, you won't convince enough people to make a damned bit of difference, so you'll die too. So what does it matter what you believe?

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Don't let this thread sum up your perception 2012. Research 2012. As far as this thread is concerned...it's pretty much bullshit. You have more "credible" (and I use that term loosely) sources out there other than this.

Don't worry, it'll be exciting!
Buy a truckload of guns, body armor; build a bunker in your back yard and stock up on food - Y2.012K is coming!!!
I think we can close this (not-so-productive) thread.

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God dammit is this 1983 (or was it 84?) all over again?

Or even 2000?

There's no end to it is there?

21/12/12 will pass, fuck all will happen and we'll go on with out everyday lives. And if we don't then I'll be proved wrong but beleive you me I would actually hope something would happen becaus eI'm so bored with life as it is now :(

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Don't let this thread sum up your perception 2012. Research 2012. As far as this thread is concerned...it's pretty much bullshit. You have more "credible" (and I use that term loosely) sources out there other than this.

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I wonder what sources you are talking about, if they were indeed that credible, you would had already revealed it.
on the other hand, forget it.

As for my concern, i have no intention to make anyone believe that something is coming. My intentions are simple, reveal and disappear.
By that i mean, let people decide their own path. They see what they see, they perceive what they want to perceive. Thats all i have to say.

Some people tend to use hate and "Jealousy" to make them selfs happy, and yet their inner self knows that it is wrong. proving me wrong, will change nothing, because nothing has been changed from the information.

A possibility is what counts in this situation. We are capable on accepting anything, and yet reject its existence. For this, we are capable to peek into our own imagination and invent things that haven't been invented. It all started in your head.

There is a good saying : Knowledge becomes Power, when one learns how to apply it correctly.

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I saw a documentary about the "new-born Christians" today... It was horrible to see little kids (6 year olds) getting brain washed by a preacher.
Now THAT is a problem...those kids cannot think for themselves yet and are easy targets...
(It was called "Camp Jesus", or "Jesus Camp")

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I saw the beginning of it, the first time I saw the trailor I thought it was a parody of radical religioun.

Unfortunately it's real....Bush is one of them..

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I saw the beginning of it, the first time I saw the trailor I thought it was a parody of radical religioun.

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I saw a documentary about the "new-born Christians" today... It was horrible to see little kids (6 year olds) getting brain washed by a preacher.
Now THAT is a problem...those kids cannot think for themselves yet and are easy targets...
(It was called "Camp Jesus", or "Jesus Camp")

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Jb and KG from Tenacious D went to a Jesus Camp by accident after being stranded on a highway. Heck, they wrote a song about it. I suggest hearing it, lol.

When I (a christian) try to tell controversies of the bible to religious folk, about how badly incorrect those christian talkshows are, major mistakes in the bible, what christian soldiers from isreal do to the muslims, and even what the missionaries are doing with drugs to the sick where they stay and work, they argue by stuttering or with the bible. I'm always like, damn religious groups, brainwashing the kids. They always try to make sense with religion. They think anybody who is of strong faith is so holy, they can do no wrong. Which is not right and half the time, they aren't holy.

Ugh. This whole planet thing is very argumentive. If it does happen we will likely die from mugging, fires from crazed civilllians, explosions, car crashes, jealousy, suicide, or idiots with scissors before the planet is affected. That's almost 2/3 of the world right there.
If it doesn't happen and it is still close, I'll be drinking beer and smoking weed in front of cops because of everyone who thinks the world is ending. They'll be like "It's okay to drink at your age and even smoke mary jane kid. The world's ending soon......Alright boys, let's beat up every guy we don't like! Like we do on a daily basis. HUZAH! HUZAH!"

Then if it doesn't happen all together. I'll be here, writing a topic.

That (female) preacher actually said that we should learn from those Islamic fundamentalists (suicide bombers) and follow their example.
She thinks she must teach these 5 year old kids to be prepared to die for God.
OMG!!!!

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As for my concern, i have no intention to make anyone believe that something is coming. My intentions are simple, reveal and disappear.

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Why are you still here, then?

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That (female) preacher actually said that we should learn from those Islamic fundamentalists (suicide bombers) and follow their example.
She thinks she must teach these 5 year old kids to be prepared to die for God.
OMG!!!!

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I don't recall bombings because of the bible and no I don't think she was referencing to suicide bombings muslims. If she was talking about them she wouldn't have combined with religion if it was implied negative toward them. Which it wasn't.

Are you saying that I was hallucinating? Watch the movie and you'll know that I'm not lying.
She was referring to those who blow themselves up in the name of Allah.
And if you don't want to believe me, ...well, OK.
She was glorifying muslim suicide bombers and extremists. Fact.

By the way I didn't say that Christians are blowing up stuff.

I guess I misused the word "fundamentalist". Apologies.