Thread: Tell Me : How do we know we are not an alien planets science project ?

We don't.

But try to be semi-reasonable.

What's reasonable ? Who sets those limits ?

Do you have anything that would remotely possibly point to that conclusion?

Its an idea I've toyed with, and theres evidence present in many religious writings, and if any religious writings were true an Alien species would be the most reasonable explanation for our existence.

But the question follows the same logic as any other question: How do we know we're not products of God? How do we know there's not a golden teapot in orbit around Mars?

The question is useless without reason. I can somewhat see where your coming from, but it has no real relation to the idea of us being products our being watched over by alien life. Our semi-systematic behavior in many cases can be directly compared to that of other animals on the planet, but more specifically viruses. Its like asking, how do we know that humans aren't just really complex viruses?

The idea has merit, but you're not pursuing it properly.

What if the earth was a big organism, and we were just little parasites on it?

Oh, wait...

Originally Posted by ExoByte

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The idea has merit, but you're not pursuing it properly.
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Also, just because I've posed the question doesn't mean it's something I feel certain of. We are all creative folks here, I was curious what other peoples thoughts were; not so much to prove or be disproved. No one, NO ONE*, knows
why we are here. That being said, what is the proper way of pursuing the idea that we may be in a galactic petri dish ? It's such a far fetched concept yet I'm still waiting to hear someone tell me why it's incorrect. You yourself claim to have entertained the idea. What makes you feel that way ? For me it's a feeling of fleeting value, a world of novelty for some and starvation for others. The worlds in my mind seem drawn by something else. What ?

* no one.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

Do you have anything that would remotely possibly point to that conclusion?

Not to play Devils advocate, but do you have any evidence to an alternate conclusion ? Have an open mind, tell me your thoughts, not your doubts.



sorry for the double.

And to iterate:

Do you have proof that I don't have proof that you don't have proof that you aren't not incorrect?

Originally Posted by CometLike

Also, just because I've posed the question doesn't mean it's something I feel certain of. We are all creative folks here, I was curious what other peoples thoughts were; not so much to prove or be disproved. No one, NO ONE*, knows
why we are here. That being said, what is the proper way of pursuing the idea that we may be in a galactic petri dish ? It's such a far fetched concept yet I'm still waiting to hear someone tell me why it's incorrect. You yourself claim to have entertained the idea. What makes you feel that way ? For me it's a feeling of fleeting value, a world of novelty for some and starvation for others. The worlds in my mind seem drawn by something else. What ?

* no one.

its an idea I've toyed with, and theres evidence present in many religious writings, and if any religious writings were true an Alien species would be the most reasonable explanation for our existence.

Anyway, in a way to pursue it, as farfetched as it is, it should be pursued the same way as any other concept. Be it gravity, the earth being round, the earth rotating around the sun, all of which used to be farfetched at one point. It can also be taken as the same idea as God, or any other study of a deity that watches over us. There are still ways to pursue the idea.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a shred of truth in the idea to be honest, even if this discussion is merely for entertainment value. As I said, I've toyed with the idea. But its been merely a passing thought, something thats crossed my mind. No more.

You won't find proof here, concepts to generate original thoughts possibly,but no proof. You yourself are evidence of that. I won't argue either, if that's your goal.

I think the REAL question is:
How do we know we are not an alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project?

Originally Posted by CometLike

You won't find proof here, concepts to generate original thoughts possibly,but no proof. You yourself are evidence of that. I won't argue either, if that's your goal.

No proof = No.

Notice no one said it was impossible, just far fetched and lacking in that crucial area called "proof".

So what do you believe ? And please provide proof.

That whatever happens, happens.

Whatever is, is.

We can do our best to explain it, but that doesn't matter really.

Cuz in reality, the universe doesn't care

What you believe.

A quick aside before I begin,

Technically, since we are the universe experiencing itself, the universe only cares what you believe as much as you do...

Within, and without are really no different.
You can choose to see the bridges, or build the walls between individuals.

Food for thought.






Also, let's try and give more informed responses instead of easily choosing to argue from ignorance, shall we? The topic title isn't proposing something so far-fetched as one might like to believe...

Signs of the gods

A lot of historical ruins worldwide all point to us being initially brought here, or genetically manipulated by another intelligent species which set up shop here on earth for some time teaching us rudimentary math, agriculture, and what not. Some of the famous ancient ruin sites initial blocks are so old and so big, that it simply couldn't have been made with the technology of the people for the time they were around. After the initial blocks were laid down, those same cultures simply built on top of it and the difference in quality clearly shows their inability to have laid the initial stones...a de-evolution, if you will.

---=The Baalbek Stones=---

Notice the sheer size of the Baalbek stones, which predate any known advanced civilizations...


The greatest of the Baalbek stones, perhaps 1200 tons


Roman structures atop massive pre-Roman stones of Baalbek





---=Pyramids at Giza=---

Great pyramids of Giza

Current antiquated theories of slaves pulling the blocks just don't add up to the time and technology available at the time in most cases. Even agreement on when the construction of the pyramids actually occurred, is still widely debated...

Sphynx

The Mystery of the Sphinx ("..Along with the Great Pyramid of Giza, the Sphinx is one of the greatest enigmas and the most studied ancient monument of mankind’s history. The whole complex of Giza, composed of the Sphinx, the Great Pyramid, other pyramids, and distinct structures, definitely holds the key to understanding advanced past civilizations. There is no other place.."




---=Puma Punku, in Peru=---

Perfectly cut blocks

One of the construction blocks from which the pier was fashioned weighs an estimated 440 tons (equal to nearly 600 full-size cars) and several other blocks laying about are between 100 and 150 tons.

Clamps

Other stones at Puma Punku contain inexplicable grooves and niches, whilst some such as of metal clamps which were used of these clamps have actually been whereabouts are now uncertain. metal that is not associated with cultures at this time.




---=Nazca Lines, in Peru=---


The lighter coloured subsoil which had been exposed formed distinct lines which ran across the desert plain. In due course, it became apparent that the archaeologists had stumbled across a much wider phenomenon - the so-called “Nazca Lines” which cover a 30-mile long strip in the foothills of the Andes mountains. More than sixty years later, not one single theory has been put forward to explain all of the Nazca markings. A prominent scientist has called it “one of the most baffling enigmas of archaeology”.




---=Maya=---

Mayan Temple of Kukulkan (91 steps on each side, with one step on the top, totaling 365 steps)

On the Equinox, the sun shines down this pyramid in the shape of a snake, ending in a stone snake head at the left base.

Mayan Pyramid of the Sun





---=Ancient Sumerian Tablets=---

One of the oldest writings and first cultures of man, (Ancient Sumer, or Babylon), often depicts themselves being made from their gods, 'The Annunaki'







The answer: Who knows? Either way, no one can definitively say yes or no... and I'd say there is definitely more than just a little evidence pointing to yes...

Remember: Be open to anything, but question everything

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Be open to anything, but question everything

...But why?

That's the ultimate question, that we are all here to find, isn't it?

SolSkye: Has anyone ever thought of the fact that there were several thousand people working day and night for years and years to build those?

And that their entire cultures were based around said sturctures?

Why is it so mysterious?

At the southern entrance of Baalbeck is a quarry where the stones used in the temples were cut. A huge block, considered the largest hewn stone in the world, still sits where it was cut almost 2,000 years ago. Called the "Stone of the Pregnant Woman", it is 21.5m x 4.8m x 4.2meters in size and weighs an estimated 1,200 tons.

1 ton = 2,240 lb (exactly 1,016.0469088 kg)

x 1,200 tons

= 2,688,000 pounds

Assuming an average slave could pull, say 200 lbs each, that would take 13,440 people pulling at once to even start to move one inch.



Do you honestly see that happening in this case, beyond a shred of a doubt?

Originally Posted by SolSkye

At the southern entrance of Baalbeck is a quarry where the stones used in the temples were cut. A huge block, considered the largest hewn stone in the world, still sits where it was cut almost 2,000 years ago. Called the "Stone of the Pregnant Woman", it is 21.5m x 4.8m x 4.2meters in size and weighs an estimated 1,200 tons.

1 ton = 2,240 lb (exactly 1,016.0469088 kg)

x 1,200 tons

= 2,688,000 pounds

Assuming an average slave could pull, say 200 lbs each, that would take 13,440 people pulling at once to even start to move one inch.



Do you honestly see that happening in this case, beyond a shred of a doubt?

Well the example you're using is the biggest possible stone.. and it says it is still where it was cut.. doesn't that mean it wasn't actually moved?

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Well the example you're using is the biggest possible stone.. and it says it is still where it was cut.. doesn't that mean it wasn't actually moved?

Pwnt.

Originally Posted by Kushna Mufeed

I think the REAL question is:
How do we know we are not an alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project of another alien planet's science project?

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How do we know that the OP isn't an evil alien from the planet X who is going to suck our brains out with a straw?

Originally Posted by Carôusoul

Well the example you're using is the biggest possible stone.. and it says it is still where it was cut.. doesn't that mean it wasn't actually moved?

That's quite a narrow view, isn't it ? One that sees only what wasn't accomplished in the face of all that was.

SolSkye, thanks for posting all the photos and info.