Thread: A Silly Question...

I think this is more of a philsophical Question

Some of your points are pretty valid, but Dragon is right, if you put this in philosophy you will get a lot more activity.

I agree that it is philosophy, but what I'm trying to say is...

I don't see a lot of these topics, particularly the ones in Extended Discussion pointing out some the ills of the world and each other, as doing anything more than being another person's philosophy or belief.

It seems just a way of escapism from their own personal problems...

Well my goal to post all these threads is not to scare people. It's to give people access to information regarding things that they don't normally think is possible. All knowledge can ethier be used for fear or enlightenment, It's a personal choice what one does with all this stuff.

Well, for you to directly answer an indirected question basically becomes a subconscious admission of your own partial guilt, in a way...

Anyway, what I was thinking was unless we eye-witness the so-called 'information' we find on the internet, in books, newspapers, or any other third party source, then in the end it's still someone's unverified outlook towards certain aspects of the world around them. Why should we fully believe anything we haven't personally thought or seen first hand? What's really in it for us if we do? Our communal construct of reality always starts with an individual observation, thought, or idea... And from there, people either jump on board that individual idea, or throw it aside as unheard of or preposterous. The real and only reason the media and governments of the world have so much power is they have the power to disenfranchise and disempower minds, and sway the intention and will of those unsuspecting and gullible minds into believing in their trumped up and flawed communal construct of reality... When in actuality, every culture and communal outlook on life is all just a house of cards.

Granted, there are certain simple objective observations of reality and mind which one can make that could be arguable but, for the most part, are undeniable; like fire is hot, and ice is cold. However, the deeper you delve into subjective matters of perception, opinion, and other theoretical human ideas into our objective reality, one would realize that those ideas are always fundamentally flawed at the very source of the observation... The observer.

If the observations are made first hand, that's a different story altogether. What I'm talking about is, why one should blindly believe in someone else's observation, instead of taking everything not directly experienced at face value, and with a grain of salt...?

Anyway, one may feel they are 'enlightening' someone with their finds from third party sources, but if the 'information' provided has the tendency to instill the lower emotions of doubt, suspicion, paranoia, hatred, or fear, it really isn't 'enlightening' someone, so much as, 'darkening' an individual. And, the more it darkens an individual's thoughts, the more it darkens the communal construct we live in.

In essence, I feel that if you spread a thought, it can manifest itself into reality the more people believe in it...

One example, is cancer. One can get cancer simply by worrying about getting cancer. Another is baldness. One can go bald or speed up baldness simply from the worry or thought of going bald. Even placebos are perfect examples of how doctors trick the mind into believing it is taking something that will make itself better when in actuality it is nothing more than a sugar pill.

Also, I feel that the darker problematic information one searches out or happens to stumble on in your life is ultimately a reflection of the hidden or realized but ignored feelings you hold inside your heart from whatever stresses or problems you haven't yet come to terms with. In certain cases, where we can't directly do anything by knowing about something, then it really doesn't serve us any purpose to know or post about it, and in those cases... I would argue that ignorance is bliss...

Out of sight, out of mind. Out of mind, out of reality...

I disagree with the ingnorance is bliss thing. The main thing i notice with people is this meme that goes around "We humans are fucked up. we create all this war and stuff, And we are destined to destroy ourselves". Most of humanity is so intent apon this idea. And where does this media come from? you see it through government propoganda, Mainstream media, religion, racism, and more ignorance. Humans are mostly sheep, never knowing or even conceiving there is another way to live. As long as we plug ourselves into this matrix of insanity, We will inevitably fulfill this self fullfilling prophecy. What if we were to unplug ourselves completely from this matrix? and design one for ourselves. What does humaniuty want to achieve? exlporing space? Peace on earth? The elimination of need and want of material possesions?
Reality is indeed what we make of it. And as long as people rely on television, religous leaders, political parties, and the unspoken code of social behavior that forms from these deadly memes, We will always look to others to define our world for us. They tell us what to think, what to eat, what to be, where to eat, shit and sleep.

And indeed: People in complete ignorance are doomed to repeat the same mistakes over and over and over again. This is why i always tell people "find out for yourself, Do your own research and draw your own conclusions" Enlighten yourself as to what's possible. It is INDEED personal choice, the reason why people are so negative about this stuff, is not because of their own conclusions, But is just a regurgitated meme spread by the matrix that is intent on destroying us.

Reality is what we make it PERIOD. And if anyone tries to define it for you, only realise that mentality belongs in the stone age. WAKE UP.

I said that ignorance is bliss in situations where one's personal worry, anger, and 'knowledge' of said information does nothing to better them or that situation they observe...

Knowing just for the sake of knowing, isn't knowledge...

Knowledge comes from knowing first hand what information can be useful and what information is useless...

I don't think anyone is ever in complete ignorance. We all buy into certain illusory cultural masks and what not. Information that helps you see through the cultural veil is self-empowering. I think that as more people start to self-empower, as opposed to sitting there wallowing in their own crapulence thinking that the power to change the world isn't in their own mind's eye and control, then the more power will shift back to the individual and the more things will settle down in the world without. This whole reality is just a matter of one's perception... ALL of it. Culture just creates the facade of something similar between people that those people can understand and agree upon as tangible and real outside of themselves, when all individual perceptions and thoughts of the outside world are unique and different. That's because the outside world is actually a representation of the inside world...

To me personally, the arrogance of some rationalists and scientists is beyond baffling. Many of them think of the world as not an ongoing mystery but as an explainable problem. However, they can't even agree amongst their own kind or get theories which stand the test of time in all minds. They divide and subdivide their own areas of study, and all those people in those professions think themselves right, even if and when their ideas conflict with the findings of other so-called rationalists in other fields.



As individuals perceive other people in power... they give theirs away. As they fear and hate things they don't take the time to understand are actually created of themselves... they create turmoil outside. As they blindly believe in another person's conclusions of the world and life... they close out the infinite potential of their own minds. When the imagination and infinite potential of their individual mind is all that matters. We choose to accept as much or as little responsibility for the world around us. It's that simple.

The world without is simply a representation of the world within. We are the universe realizing itself. We are the last digit of pi...

Originally Posted by SolSkye

As I look around and read some of the threads, and even some some threads and posts I've made in the past, I can't draw myself to even read or respond to some of them because... I just can't help but realize...

Q:Has anyone ever thought that our anger, collective demonizing, scare tactics, and fear mongering of people and things is actually what makes those things into more of a demon, or more a reality?

Kind of like, we collectively pour all our personal ills into one or many things, and collectively acknowledge it and will it into being to avoid taking responsibility for ourselves... Mental projection, if you will...

I dunno. It just seems that as a collective unit, we really like to scapegoat our personal demons and skeletons in our own closet outward onto these seemingly real outside projections of people and things, to order to escape our own personal blame and responsibility for the very real personal and communal mistakes we've made and make...

I mean, it's always easier to spread the blame than accept it, hide guilt than face it, or deny our responsibilities rather than own up to them.

Maybe we are our own paranoid big brother. Maybe we are the UFO's we doubt and wonder about. Maybe the terrorist we love to hate is actually our own hatred of ourself. Maybe all the wars of the world are simply manifestations of the wars raging in our own hearts. Maybe the super-massive blackhole at the center of our galaxy is the super-massive blackhole at the center of our being...

Maybe, just maybe... the all-seeing, all-knowing evil eye... is actually our own.




Dunno. Just how I'm feeling right now. Thoughts?

Everything that we understand is not about external reality but of internal. try carl jung.

Or terrence Mckenna!!

I still see that no one has internalized what I said, and continues on posting paranoid after paranoid post...

Please don't take that as if I'm judging you. I know I wasn't any better up until a short while ago. You could say, I've had a breakthrough or two since then. Meditation and psychedelics will do that for you.

It'll dump all those bubbles of belief, walls of doubt, and hurdles of preconception you've built up in your mind, directly into the trash where they belong...

This time hopefully for good...

I hope you guys take the time to illuminate yourselves to also see that the "information" you stumble on or seek out is the "information" you invariably create. At that point of realization, it makes it harder to express those lower emotions on it, wouldn't you agree?

I never tire of this quote of mine... "That which is without, is also within"

Why don't we all try posting some positive stories, instead of this constant negative kick we've all been going down?

Originally Posted by SolSkye

I mean, it's always easier to spread the blame than accept it, hide guilt than face it, or deny our responsibilities rather than own up to them.
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Dunno. Just how I'm feeling right now. Thoughts?

*sigh* This time it is YOU who must interlize that you and I are really saying the same things. I post things like aliens and illuminati NOT TO SCARE PEOPLE. I post them so that people are armed with enough facts to say: Holy crap either we as humans own up to our responsibilites or we perish. As long as we let other people make reality for us we are doomed. And As we can see the people who try to make reality for us don't have the best intentions.

To assume that which is without as fact, is presumptuous. We are simply reflections of all that is around us. We are sculpted by it. We are it.

I know your intentions are pure. Everyone's are. Remember: 'The road to hell is paved with good intentions.'

Your claims have never been experienced first hand, just typed into a search engine or stumbled upon through looking at something else. Therefore, where is this belief beyond a reasonable doubt coming from? I can only assume escapism to be the culprit. Yes, while erring on the side of caution is a good way to do it, don't look at reality as more than a movie you direct.

Hypochondriacs also err on the side of caution. Where does one draw the line? When you realize the line doesn't exist. That err, is the err in yourself that you are being cautious about.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

One example, is cancer. One can get cancer simply by worrying about getting cancer. Another is baldness. One can go bald or speed up baldness simply from the worry or thought of going bald. Even placebos are perfect examples of how doctors trick the mind into believing it is taking something that will make itself better when in actuality it is nothing more than a sugar pill.

Worrying about cancer or baldness doesn't cause them. Placebos don't really make people better; they only make people feel better. If the only thing wrong with you is how you feel, that's good enough; but they don't cure disease.

Originally Posted by SolSkye

Knowing just for the sake of knowing, isn't knowledge...

Knowledge comes from knowing first hand what information can be useful and what information is useless...

And how do you know that it will be useful or not before you learn the information?

Originally Posted by SolSkye

To me personally, the arrogance of some rationalists and scientists is beyond baffling. Many of them think of the world as not an ongoing mystery but as an explainable problem. However, they can't even agree amongst their own kind or get theories which stand the test of time in all minds. They divide and subdivide their own areas of study, and all those people in those professions think themselves right, even if and when their ideas conflict with the findings of other so-called rationalists in other fields.

Why is it arrogance to study things scientifically? Because they think differently than you, you mean? Of course people are going to argue--it's complicated! That doesn't mean people aren't actually figuring things out. It doesn't have to be a quest to figure out the ultimate answer to existence, you know; you're sitting there looking at a computer that somebody invented using science. Why isn't that a good enough reason? Would you rather be sitting in a cave? That's always an option too.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Worrying about cancer or baldness doesn't cause them. Placebos don't really make people better; they only make people feel better. If the only thing wrong with you is how you feel, that's good enough; but they don't cure disease.

Hi there, Moonbeam. Thanks for replying. Are you positive about that? Personally, I've heard of people getting over terminal illnesses simply by thinking positive, and of course heard of people getting worse or perpetuating the illness simply by thinking negatively about their situation. Also, I've even taught some students of all backgrounds who have demonstrated both cases, first hand.



Have you heard of the japanese technique called 'healing hands', aka 'Reiki'? I've experienced some pretty unexplainable things first hand from people that practice it. I teach a student here in Japan who used to always be absent or late because of her battling epilepsy. And anyway, she seemed to have recovered completely from it by being in the presence of people who apparently taught and healed her using Reiki. I was invited to one of their seminars and they displayed different people's plants and vegetables which were abnormally large and others were somehow able to grow into different abnormal shapes, like having mice ears, or human appendages like legs and arms, simply by being sent that intent and energy from the person who grew them. And by large, I mean ridiculous. Like seeing someone bring out a single broccoli the size of a big beach ball.

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

And how do you know that it will be useful or not before you learn the information?

Well, it's pretty apparent. For example, if you see a post or topic and all it does is instill some of the lower emotions as I mentioned earlier, and does you or others no good by knowing it, then by all means it is of no use, wouldn't you agree? Looking back at some of my own threads and posts, I'm even guilty of having done that before, which is why in one of my more lucid moments I can admit it to myself enough to bring it up...

Originally Posted by Moonbeam

Why is it arrogance to study things scientifically? Because they think differently than you, you mean? Of course people are going to argue--it's complicated! That doesn't mean people aren't actually figuring things out. It doesn't have to be a quest to figure out the ultimate answer to existence, you know; you're sitting there looking at a computer that somebody invented using science. Why isn't that a good enough reason? Would you rather be sitting in a cave? That's always an option too.

It's not arrogant to study things scientifically, I never generalized or said that. It is arrogant, however, for many of those scientists to think that because they took the effort and time to study certain things scientifically, that they somehow have all the mysteries and answers to life figured out. If anything, things get more mysterious as we go forward.

Not all, but many rationalists and scientists do what they do from an extremely strong rooting in the ego and that idea of separation that comes with it. And so, they inevitably carry around this arrogant and proud air with them like they are better than others that aren't 'in the know', so to speak. As if, by answering the 'how' to some areas of the outside world magically gives us an objective 'why', or lack thereof to life. In this and every case, we are delving into the area of belief in one's self here. When a scientist or rationalist asserts and insists that there is no life after death, or no such thing as reincarnation, a spirit or soul, that scientist is also making a statement of belief, not of fact. Because that person doesn't know. That person would be making a statement of their particular religious belief. Which is quite unfulfilling, considering it's a belief in nothing other than the material body. That conclusion alone, shows how little one actually understands about the mystery of life and themselves. If one actually took the time to quiet their mind and isolate their identity, or rather what one considers their identity, they would open up an entirely new way of looking at the world and themselves. A way that is clearly lacking in the materialist's distinct clear-cut and dry precepts of life and the self as being an explainable anomaly. A conclusion which they haven't even thoroughly explained or proven beyond a reasonable doubt, mind you...

Also, you'd be surprised that by simply depriving the senses and 'sitting in a cave', or another sensory deprivation chamber of some kind just how much one can realize under those conditions. It's even thought by some, that cavemen initially did magic mushrooms or other psychedelics and went into their cave and painted those cave drawings. Some even think we owe our initial ideas of the self and knowledge from the active use of psychedelics by early man...

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IMO this discussion lacks a relevant topic.

Either things are wrong with the world due to human actions or not. But to say that we should remain ignorant of them, especially about those distant things (overpopulation, third world poverty and war, etc) simply because they do not effect us is going too far.

Relevance and context determine whats most important to each individual, so if you are a certain kind of artist then you may want to focus your creative energies on positive things.. But other artists want to do exactly what the OP is suggesting we all do: examine our inner selves first, but also thereby project the world in a unique light.

Maybe we are our own paranoid big brother. Maybe we are the UFO's we doubt and wonder about. Maybe the terrorist we love to hate is actually our own hatred of ourself. Maybe all the wars of the world are simply manifestations of the wars raging in our own hearts. Maybe the super-massive blackhole at the center of our galaxy is the super-massive blackhole at the center of our being...

Maybe, just maybe... the all-seeing, all-knowing evil eye... is actually our own.

The horror of reality is upon us.

I think you are doing exactly what you described, just dispeling your idea so you dont have to deal with it anymore. Intellectual forums are waste deposits. I said when I firt got here. They are places we dispel our energy against problems as official articulated complaints to the community, and then they add their own complaints, and it dissipates.

It's as Stephen Colbert said, "...Because the protesters of the 60s mobbed, and the protestors of today blog."

Then again, I'm just doing the same thing right now, dispeling my hatred against my own inaction.

I don't know about you I don't express things just to dump my hatred or problems on everyone or to get rid of my ideas or to protest. The only motivation I have for communicating is to make the world a better place to the best of my ability however small that contribution may be.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

I don't know about you I don't express things just to dump my hatred or problems on everyone or to get rid of my ideas or to protest. The only motivation I have for communicating is to make the world a better place to the best of my ability however small that contribution may be.

This simple sentence within the subject of this thread raises an awareness

Who is the "I" to have the motivation?

The fundamental question



Is it truly "my" contribution?

Is it truly "my" ability?


Or is this all "illusionary" in a way?

Would it rather not be that which draws one to it....

That also draws the ability, the contribution, through that one?


More likely it would seem

That the one is not doing anything

That the one is merely the means for the happening

The means for the ability

The means for the contribution

The means for the arising


The ego of the one latches onto this arising

It arrogantly prances about talking of "I", "me", and "Mine"

How little it truly knows




Just meditating out loud

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

I don't know about you I don't express things just to dump my hatred or problems on everyone or to get rid of my ideas or to protest. The only motivation I have for communicating is to make the world a better place to the best of my ability however small that contribution may be.

No, you tell yourself that. You make no real contribution by blogging all your complaints.