Thread: Fitna

I realize that, but I felt I had to show the verses in their true context. Y'know, show people what Islam actually teaches. It should be Muslimphobia, not Islamophobia. Non-Muslims aren't the only ones the Muslims are making worried and pissing off.

Kushna, when you need that much typing to explain that when the Koran says to kill people, it doesn't really mean for you to do it, what does that tell you? You can't deny that millions and millions of people are interpreting the Koran in a way that does tell them to kill people; this isn't just a few psychopaths "taking it out of context".

The Bible is no better, except that most Christians don't read it or pay attention to what it says.

I hope you're right that most Muslims are starting to pay attention to what is happening.

P.S. It doesn't make sense to hate the people, but not the belief--it should be the other way around. I don't hate the members of my family who are Christian, but I do hate their belief.

If you look at a few verses before and after, you see quite obviously that the verses HAVE been taken out of context. Which is pretty much why I colour coded them if you don't want to read everything.

So, you should hate the faith for something it doesn't teach, not the people who have taken it the wrong way?

my view, the old take a line or 2 out and use scaremongering technique.

The trick CAN be played with other religious books such as the bible and old testament.

As far as i have seen, He gives only the most superficial of interpretations and he only portrays Islam with the Crazies of the Relegion. Its like making a documentary on Christianity and only showing the absoloute fundamentalists who say "Earthquakes happen because of sodomy"

I can dig up Christian verses that condome rape but does that make it a true Christian teaching? No absoloutely note.

You wouldn't learn about Jews from Nazies and you wouldn't learn about Christianity from Atheists so why is this true of Islam?



All he did (Geert Wilder) was blame all of Europe's social and economic problems on its Muslim population and said Muslims were secretly planning to take over the world.

That is exactly what Hitler said about the Jewish population of Europe.

"edit" In the movie they have a newspaper caption saying "Teachers teach Jihad in dutch schools" or something to that effect. You will duely note that the Jihad that is taught in schools isn't the kill the infidels variety. Not at all. In Islam the word Jihad has mulitple meanings. It means "struggle". an interesting event in the media, is they label terrorists "Jihadies". In Islamic countries the word Jihad has positive conotations and by giving the name "Jihadies" to terrorists you are endearing them. But most Muslim don't use the western defenition of Jihad and Geert Wilder took the word Jihad out of context to give it the meaning of "Kill the infidels". Which further leads me to beleive Geert Wilder is a bigot or an idiot.

"edit" In the video it shows Dutch Muslims walking in the streets and then the graphics and whatnot makes them out as a threat as a danger to dutch society as if they are a disease that needs purging. This video resembles a nazi film in the sense of a nazi film would use simlar tactics to draw antimosity towards jews. This video promotes hatred of Muslims especially European Muslims and it uses his own interpretations of the Koran even though he is not a qu'ranic scholar.

Originally Posted by Moonbean

You can't deny that millions and millions of people are interpreting the Koran in a way that does tell them to kill people; this isn't just a few psychopaths "taking it out of context".

Millions of people? Where are you getting your statistics from my friend?

No ones religion is ever interpreted "the right way" is it?

Didn't think so.

What is "the right way" then?

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

No ones religion is ever interpreted "the right way" is it?

Didn't think so.

What is "the right way" then?

I am not a biblical/quranic/talmudic scholar by any means. But i think it's important to understand the context of a verse not just the verse itself. and Often times as in Christianity such verses are not to be taken literally and are not meant in literally at all.

I'm sorry, but providing us the "correct" way to "interpret" that damned book doesn't change the fact that it allows for a hell of a lot of BS in this world.