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In the UN-likely event that Bin Ladens demands could be met by the USA Gov atleast the demans of substance then im sure he would comprise on the issues regarding lifestyle. In onothe thread i was just reading a bit ago there was this koran thing that said "strike terror into the heart of the non beleivers lest they incline towards peace" or something like that... Think about it for a sec man!
The Koran also says to kill nonbelievers for being nonbelievers, and Bin Laden's letter says what it says.

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Ya well anyone can support "terrorists". Your country has a history of supporting Guerrillas in Latin America, Guerrilllas like FARC which some countries consider terrorist organazations. During the Lebanese Civil War Israel armed and supported Maronite "terrorists" to help destabilize the country further and inrease the sectarian divide. For all you know any country could have the possibility of arming "terrorists". Thats not a good enough excuse.
The Hussein regime was an enemy terrorist organization that did not merely use mercenaries for things as important as defeating the Soviet Union. They provided financial incentives specifically for suicide bombings against Israel, funded terrorist groups specifically for their terrorist purposes, and used WMD's in a terrorist attack on the Kurds. That is how they did things, and they saw us as their bitter enemy. You can't tell me that that was not a big problem.

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LOL you guys didn't give a shit about the Kurds and you still don't. Excuses excuses. America support rogue countries when its conventient and you betray them when its conventient.
Do we need to talk about the word "support" again? You need to know the difference between having an alliance against a common enemy and actually supporting the evil deeds of a government. You talk about them as if they are the same thing. Also, even if you want to tell yourself we never cared about the Kurds, you are talking off point. The Hussein regime's terrorist attack against them showed what kind of government the Hussein regime was. They were a threat. That is the point, and you cannot realistically deny it.

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How did the Problem with Iran come about? Wester Imperialism. I know its a dum word but its true. America and Britian and Israel even supported the tyrant known as the Shah. Britain (and if im not wrong america to some extent)overthrew the democracticly elected government of Iran. Why? Because he nationalized his countries petrol and gas resources and took the fate of the country away from a Britisih Company called British Petroleum know called "Beyound Petroleum" I'm sure you've seen their commercials.

Anyway the Iranian leader nationalized the resources and Britaina and america to some extent i beleive overthrew hima nd installed the pro western tryant known as the Shah. Democeracy to you people is irrevelant, when you ally with a country its only a marriage of convenience.
The leader we overthrew had Soviet ties, and we had to win the Cold War. So what you are saying was a dis on democracy was actually part of the ultimate act of preserving democracy. Does the Soviet Union rule Canada? No. We ended their existence, and taking out their partners in Soviet expansion was part of the plan, which was a plan that worked.

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Hugo Chavez natioalized Venezuela's Oil from a foreign giant, he almost got thrown out of power from a coup d'etat which is beleived to have had Western backers. Un like the prime minister of Iran who nationalized the gas fields he stayed in power and perservered and now he has come to bite america in the asss. Its not about democracy point is. Its just a marriage of convenience the people are irrevelant. I have onother example of Guatmela too but i need to get a referesher on those events.
What does Chavez have to do with democracy, and what did the U.S. government itself have to do with a coup against him?

The United States has done more to create and preserve world democracy than any other country in history. Your freedom to say what you say on the internet is a result of that.

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LOL. C'mon wheres the evidence? If there were Weapons of Mass destruction and Yellow cake Uranium like bush weas talking about before the war then there would surely be some sort of evidence to support it, maybe a whistelblower mabe some documents and maybe better yet some actual WMDS!!!!! NO nada. Its widely accepted that their were no weapons of mass Desctructions. If you listen closely to bush you will notice him and his Aides are no longer using the WMD'S excuse for invading Iraq. Remember when he invaded Iraq in that video? "We are invading Iraq to disarm Saddam Hussein from his WMD's" or something like that. If there was any substence to that bull shit from Bush then he would be still be talking about WMD's and how he nearly avoided WW3 or something. But no bush is using different excuses, he retired the WMD excuse because it has been descridited. There is no ample evidence to suggest his claims at all. Now bush talks about Freeing the iraqies from the tryant Hussein. See? He is a politican all excuses. You cant trust em.
Our CIA, Senate, and previous presidential administration. Five other goverments. Officials at the U.N. Hussein's noncompliance with inspections. You call that non-evidence? The fact that we have not found the weapons is not proof that they never existed. We acted responsibly on information that came from many sources. Did Usama Bin Laden ever exist? Please give me his address.

Bush does not talk about WMD's now because they have not been found and the Hussein regime no longer exists.

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Dude when Iraq had its Nuclear Program it was supported by various Western Governments like Norway, Italy and France they all provided Iraq with the cababilities and Materials to develop a Nuclear Program. It's not like Iraq was being hush hush about it. At the time I think Iraq was on good terms with the USA and that they may have had purchased some material support from the USA i think. If the west was all afraid of Iraq then they would never have let iraq buy the capabilities. There's no proof that Iraq was trying to make Nukes either. Israel was not wondering if Iraq is trying to get Nuclear Power or trying to get Nuclear Weapons. They did not and do not want an Arab country to have even Nuclear Facilities because it could come back and bite them in the Ass some day not neccesarily that Iraq was at the time developing nuclear potential for the purpouse of Weapons.. It was widely assumed Iraq was doing it for energy purpouses though. On the other hand we have Israel my friend. Israe, israel... Your country actually tried to stop israel from developing Nuclear Facillities in the 50's i beleive but Israel was able to get some materials from Britain i think. Why was your country more worried about israels nuclear program at the time of its contruction then Iraq's which they had no qualms about at the time?
The Hussein regime became much more of a threat when they became our enemy. Think really hard about why that may be.

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I consider the Bulk of israels population to be colonists. Not necesarily every jew but i do consider the European population of Israel to be colonists(not the arab jews). Its plain as day they are colonizing the West Bank they are demolishing homes to make way for encroashing jewish settlements. Even settlers are going out now and creating "outposts" which israel itself considers illegal but they are only half heartidly stoping those. Anyway all i want is the deportation of all Ashekanazies and people of European Descent from Palestine . I know its ethnic cleaning but an eye for an eye right??
ONCE AGAIN.... Every person is an individual. You are not getting revenge on the 1948 settlers by killing today's five year olds. I don't know how to shake you out of your view that they are all one superorganism with a single mind. Individuality... Explore the concept. Now please answer my question... Why do children who were born in Israel deserve to die? You have obsessively dodged that question.

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And im telling you that Israel was a country founded on land with majority arabs. they created a jewish state on land they knew had arabs as the majority then the very nature of this state is founded on ethnic cleaning and racial and relegious discrimination of Arabs. Israel needs to be disssolved and have a "fresh start". Maybe a bi national state maybe an arab only state.
Fuck all prejudiced bullshit forms of government that favor one religion over others. It is not legitimate government. Democracy of equality is the only way. I know that Israel is not quite all the way there. They need to be. I wish you would get it out of your head that all Israeli Jews are a single organism and that all Arabs in the region are a single organsim. They are not. You sound just like KKK members talking about black and white people. Individuality is never acknowledged by the KKK. They talk about the white race as if it is one person and the black race as if it is one person. That is the type of thinking you are showing.

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The children who were born in israel were conceived and sired by Usurpers they were born on ill goten land they themselves are Usurpers. I dont care where they were born, they are all Usurpers and must be expelled to their true homelands. Thats my opinion only. Equality can only be achieved once the concept of a jewish state is finished and that the israelies realise they are Usurpers and must recognize their claim to the land is only secondary and that arabs hold the true right to the land.
I don't believe in a "Jewish" state either, but what you want to do is just as unjust as what happened to Arabs in Israel in 1948. I can assure you that the conflict will continue as long as enough people think in the group terms you think in. You have no idea how much I wish all Muslims and Jews in the Middle East could understand that. The situation reminds me of a dog chasing its tail. It is so fucking absurd.

Now tell me why you think Israeli children deserve to die.

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Yes you are right. (I think)More then 60% of Israels jewish population only dates back to after 1948(the formation of Israel) For example in the 1990's Israel took in atleast a million Soviet Immigrants. And Israels Sefardie and Mizrahi population basically came after 1948 (look up jewish exodus from arab lands). And today the Sefardie and Mizrahi community form about 30-40% of Israels jewish population. Yes, they are nation of Colonists. The south African colonists couldn't ignore the much larger black population and even though the israelies have been able to create an artifical Jewish majority for a time right now the population of arabs and jews is basically on par the only difference is most of the Arabs are kept in open air prisons. Almost 2 million Arabs living in Squalor in Gaza. and 3-4 million Arabs in the West Bank who have no freedom of movement or self- determination in their own lands because of the occupation and the illegal settlers.
60%? I seriously doubt it. 1948 was 60 years ago.

What exactly do you have against my idea of a democracy where all religions are treated equally? Why are you so stuck in the one religion versus another idea? Don't you want that shit to end?

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Umm no im not trying to hide anything. I just don't want to give away personal info on why i think the way i do. I think the Arab ppl are in the right so i suppor the ppl who i think are right. thats all there's to it.
Then keep hiding it.

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Hezbollah came to be in Southern Lebanon, Interestingly enough the thing that Hezbollah grew from was Occupation. The israeli ocupation of Southern Lebanon is what gave rise to the organazation we call Hezbollah. Ever since Hezbollah kept on fighting Israel, they are the only entity in the Middle East that has been able to kick israel off arab land without a peace treaty. (war of '06). One mans terrorist is onothers freedom fighter.
One man's freedom fighter is another man's prejudiced moron who needs to come out of the stone age and learn about democracy and equality.

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So a BI-National state is what you're getting at?
No, I am talking about a secular government where all innocent individuals are equal. Government and religion do not mix.