Thread: What do you think is the best form of government?

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

What is relevant is that anarchy is an absence of government.

Exactly.

I might like your television better or want to sell yours for some crack. What would stop me from doing that? It's my television too, right?

Well, I'd say that reasoning is faulty, but then, what keeps me from taking your television once you steal mine? My argument is valid even with tha reasoning. The possessions are everyone's.

I know what the soldiers are fighting for because I know soldiers, and I know the reasons that make the fighting necessary, among them being the need to advance the Middle East. The Hussein regime was a terrible government we could not allow to exist forever. If there are corrupt hidden agendas, they have not been proven.

You can't fight a war telling the soldiers you're doing bad. That's where propaganda comes in. Ok, they *may* be doing some remote good, but it falls back on the case of plantign one tree to mask investment in heavy polluting industry.

Greed is what drives the financial machine. You cannot get the masses to say, "Hey, let's work forty hours this week and every week as hard as we can so we can... make everybody equal." What you can have is a society where the people who really make a difference in the business world say, "Let's work forty or more hours this week and make as much MONEY as possible!" The former is the idea of socialism and communism, and all it does is have people just getting by, if that. It results in collapsed governments. The latter is capitalism, and it results in the wealthiest nations in the world.

Nah. They'd think "if I do my best, and everyone else does their best, we'll do really good". Packs of wolves work on that principle: each wolf helps as it can, for the survival of the pack.
Of course it owuldn't really work for humans, since humans love to think they're cleverer than the others, and will try to make advantage out of it. My point is not is communism works. It doesn't because humans are powerhungry. My point is that, if communism worked, it'd be the best solution.

I mean thieving from the ones who do the most to make the machine work, and then giving it to the laziest do nothings in society. Once you stop allowing the hardest workers to be rewarded, everything goes to shit.

Lol. Capitalism does just that: some clever guy makes more than 100% reward from reselling the hard work of an exploited guy. And yes, I do mean China, and yes, I do mean the US.

Rewarding laziness and punishing success = financial disaster. It also = unfairness.

People would work for pleasure and for mutual benefit, not for self-benefit. It's a whole change of mindset. You shoudl try to b a bit more open-minded and imagine that working.

Hey Kromoh, I need some money. I didn't feel like working too much lately. Send me a check for $5,000. I am not asking. I am telling you that I am entitled to that money. You have it, and I don't, so send it on over. Get to it.

That's not what communism is about. It's not about getting money from others. You'll receive your fixed income and will work your best for benefit of the whole society. Some people say communism even implies aboloshing money. You won't get money - you will get food, a car, eletricity and etc.

How is my country not developed socially? You are using our computer technology right now, I know you watch our movies and listen to our music. You probably know all about our celebrities. I am sure you like a lot of our food. Please tell me what you mean.

Socially doesn't mean technologically, doesn't mean media-related, nr culture.
I'm using an american technology because the US is economically developed, allowing for technological advancement. Compare that with the mass brainwashing, propaganda, and close-mindedness of american citizens. It's all made up so that they may go lead their boring lives and not care about the government's doings. No matter how big or how many school are, people are ignorant, prejudicial, money-guided, close-minded.

Look at your ignorance: what makes you think I watch your movies and know about your celebrities? I have better to waste my time with. I don't even watch TV, heh. And about "american food", you must mean McDonalds. Hahaha. Your country is sad because it doesn't even have its own identity, its own culture. American food is industrialised fod. American culture is celebrity-media. I don't know why you praise your country so much. American films are all about special effects to make up for its lack of substance.

Is it a coincidence that the "anywhere" so often happens to be the United States? People come here from all over the world and sneak through our borders. Why here?

Because, as I said and repeat:

1) People who move are ignorant about America's reality, all they have in their minds is the american dream.
2) Economically, America is developed. Socially? Not.

Right. It's all because of some worldwide urban legend. Then why do they keep sneaking their friends and family members in later?

Believe me when I say they immigrate because of the "american dream". I live in a poor country, I've dealt with these people.

I could swear you are making stuff up. Have you ever been here? What are you talking about? Racism and religious oppression are both hauling ass down the drain, our technology is getting really awesome and influencing the world, people are living longer, medical advancements are doing a great deal of good, etc. What are you talking about?

Technologically, your country is advanced. Socially, not. And yes I've been there Quick pass by NY. I could feel people's prejudicial stare for my being brazilian.

I live here. I know what I see. I also know what I see you saying.

A person saying how good their country is? I wouldn't trust it, unless there's some really hardcore evidence.

Yeah, terrorism threats are really funny.

I laughed at your silliness.

So we don't really have large organizations of terrorists threatening to make us extinct and getting caught left and right in trying to blow up JFK airport and blow up shoe bombs on airplanes? Where do you get that?

Lol. We don't even know if 9/11 was a reall terrorist attack for sure. I say America is making it look way worse than it is. Your army should have left Iraq years ago. Years.

Jealousy has a way of blinding people and making them dishonest. I know a lot of people in the government and in the military. I don't just watch the news. When I do watch the news, I watch several rival big time capitalist news organizations that are fiending to catch each other in lies.

We do in fact have a major terrorism threat problem. It is the truth.

A terrorist threat problem, a money interest, a power clash. America wouldn't send so many soldier there just because of terrorism - and they should have left the country years ago if the cause was only possible terrorism.

Any rate is too slow as far as I am concerned, but the religious climate has changed drastically in the past twenty years.

So has it in Brazil.

It's not like we don't have laws, and it is not like our laws are not enforced. What you are talking about is anarchy.

A high percentage of our homeless people are fat, and pretty much all of our "poor" have televisions, cars, stereos, ipods, X boxes, and computers. Capitalism benefits everybody who lives under it.

No, it's not anarchy. It's capitalism. It's whoever-has-more-money-rules. Pretty much all of the "poor" people in urban areas of Brazil have TVs, computers, Ipods, and etc. They spend what they don't have for the sake of the "american dream".

Instead of assuming that, tell me what would keep that monarch in check. A conscience? How trustworthy is that? What stops him from going out of bounds? Talk to me.

What I am asking is who or what enforces the constitution? Laws are worthless when there is nobody to enforce them.

The constitution. Constitutional monarchy. It seems like you don't understand what that is. It means the monarch has strict rules to follow. And most probably some institution to interfere, should that not happen. It's usually the parliament.

If I ask you what your favorite flavor of ice cream is, you will not be answering my question by saying, "Ice cream that I eat. I want it served by the best ice cream shop worker. I refuse to use terms. I have answerd your question." That would not be an answer. Good luck to you.

That is not the same. You didn't ask what my favourite flavour was. You asked what flavour should we all eat.....Big difference. That's why I said peoples favourite flavour. that is what they eat. Because you wouldn't eat the worst flavour. When you asked what form of government. That is the same as saying what type of icecream should we should all eat. And I'm just saying.....We already eat whatever icecream we think is best.

So what is your problem?

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

That is not the same. You didn't ask what my favourite flavour was. You asked what flavour should we all eat.....Big difference. That's why I said peoples favourite flavour. that is what they eat. Because you wouldn't eat the worst flavour. When you asked what form of government. That is the same as saying what type of icecream should we should all eat. And I'm just saying.....We already eat whatever icecream we think is best.

So what is your problem?

I don't mean to interfere, but I think the aim of this thread was to convince others of why your ice cream flavour is the best.

Of course you have the right to abstain from it. But don't criticise the ones who go and defend their tastes.

I don't mean to interfere, but I think the aim of this thread was to convince others of why your ice cream flavour is the best.

Of course you have the right to abstain from it. But don't criticise the ones who go and defend their tastes.

Your not interfering, that's a good point. I'm not obstaining. I just don't want to say anything no-one has asked and would rather be clear on the basic things first. There was a few misconceptions I wanted to clear up. but I have explained my view on it.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Well, I'd say that reasoning is faulty, but then, what keeps me from taking your television once you steal mine? My argument is valid even with tha reasoning. The possessions are everyone's.

How is the reasoning faulty? What is your answer to my question?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

You can't fight a war telling the soldiers you're doing bad. That's where propaganda comes in. Ok, they *may* be doing some remote good, but it falls back on the case of plantign one tree to mask investment in heavy polluting industry.

Liberating a nation from a Hellish government and giving them major hope and opportunity for a great future of advancement and civlization is like planting a tree? Taking down a terrorist government with a history of WMD terrorism is like planting a tree? Killing potential terrorists by the tens of thousands is like planting a tree? Influencing terrorist governments like Lybbia to give up their WMD programs is like planting a tree? Wrong.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Nah. They'd think "if I do my best, and everyone else does their best, we'll do really good". Packs of wolves work on that principle: each wolf helps as it can, for the survival of the pack.
Of course it owuldn't really work for humans, since humans love to think they're cleverer than the others, and will try to make advantage out of it. My point is not is communism works. It doesn't because humans are powerhungry. My point is that, if communism worked, it'd be the best solution.

It would be an unfair system of thievery.

You greatly overestimate how hard people are willing to work just to help the overall system. What does work are executives who obsess their lives over making profits. That is the source of major inventiveness and financial growth. How many hours did you work this month just to help the overall system?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Lol. Capitalism does just that: some clever guy makes more than 100% reward from reselling the hard work of an exploited guy. And yes, I do mean China, and yes, I do mean the US.

The "exploited" guy has major incentive to climb the ladder, and the most skilled and hardest working ones do. Then those "exploited" guys work on ways to make the business better and how to grow the business, which creates more jobs, more inventions, and more economic stimulation.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

People would work for pleasure and for mutual benefit, not for self-benefit. It's a whole change of mindset. You shoudl try to b a bit more open-minded and imagine that working.

I have seen it not work, and I know why I work and why I don't work. I know why other people work and don't work. I know how a huge chunk of society hates work and will do as little of it as possible. People work to make money. That's about all. You should be more open-minded to that fact.

How much pleasure working have you done this month?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

That's not what communism is about. It's not about getting money from others. You'll receive your fixed income and will work your best for benefit of the whole society. Some people say communism even implies aboloshing money. You won't get money - you will get food, a car, eletricity and etc.

Then send me my food, car, electricity, etc. It is your responsibility to take care of me. You owe me since you have money. I hate work and plan to do as little as possible.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Socially doesn't mean technologically, doesn't mean media-related, nr culture.
I'm using an american technology because the US is economically developed, allowing for technological advancement. Compare that with the mass brainwashing, propaganda, and close-mindedness of american citizens. It's all made up so that they may go lead their boring lives and not care about the government's doings. No matter how big or how many school are, people are ignorant, prejudicial, money-guided, close-minded.

Where do you get this stuff? From anti-American web sites? You are so prejudiced. Type exactly the same thing about gay people so you can read it and know what you sound like. Do you have the slightest idea how diverse my country is?

Your prejudice against a nation of 300,000 people representing every walk of life under the sun is eating you up.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Look at your ignorance: what makes you think I watch your movies and know about your celebrities? I have better to waste my time with. I don't even watch TV, heh. And about "american food", you must mean McDonalds. Hahaha. Your country is sad because it doesn't even have its own identity, its own culture. American food is industrialised fod. American culture is celebrity-media. I don't know why you praise your country so much. American films are all about special effects to make up for its lack of substance.

Those are some whopping generalizations. The best movies ever made were made here. The best music ever recorded was recorded by American and British musicians. We have a lot more restaurants than McDonald's and a lot more food than hamburgers and fries. You shouldn't be so narrow minded hateful toward the country that keeps yours protected and provides your favorite inventions and entertainment.

Is somebody extremely jealous? I won't mention any names.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Because, as I said and repeat:

1) People who move are ignorant about America's reality, all they have in their minds is the american dream.
2) Economically, America is developed. Socially? Not.

False and false again. I said and I repeat:

1) Our illegal immigrants sneak in their friends and family members after they get here.
2) We are a very diverse nation that provides all kinds of social things the world enjoys, ideas the world is interested in, and media the whole world watches.

Have you ever heard of the blues, jazz, country, rock and roll, ambient space, disco, or speed metal. All American inventions, all social superhits. You brought up McDonald's, so tell me why they are all over the world. Why are our movies, ABOUT AMERICAN CULTURE, so popular all over the world? Why are you so prejudiced and hateful?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Believe me when I say they immigrate because of the "american dream". I live in a poor country, I've dealt with these people.

Then you've dealt with a lot of them not being in your country because they decided to stay here. Encourage your government to be more capitalistic so your country can be wealthy too. You won't be so bitter then.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Technologically, your country is advanced. Socially, not. And yes I've been there Quick pass by NY. I could feel people's prejudicial stare for my being brazilian.

Did you notice the great architecture, music, museums, restaurants, night clubs, and social diversity? In New York, of all places, if you could "feel" people's prejudicial stare over your being Brazillian, then you were hallucinating.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

A person saying how good their country is? I wouldn't trust it, unless there's some really hardcore evidence.

A prejudiced as Hell person who lives in a very poor country and hates the richest one in the world saying how bad the rich country is, using supervast and extremely insulting generalizatinons at every turn? I wouldn't trust it, unless there's some really hardcore evidence.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I laughed at your silliness.

My silliness in saying we have terrorist organizations trying to kill mass numbers of us, ones that have succeeded here and overseas and have been caught trying since pulling it off here? Yeah, silly me. Since we don't really have a terrorism threat to deal with, please explain to me how you know that. Thanks for your compassion.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Lol. We don't even know if 9/11 was a reall terrorist attack for sure. I say America is making it look way worse than it is. Your army should have left Iraq years ago. Years.

Iraq was not ready for us to leave, and we have caught tons of members of Al Qaeda who scream that they want to do exactly what they did on 9/11. We also have video taped confessions and lots of other evidence. Who the Hell else might have been on suicide missions flying those airplanes? Tell me. Seriously, tell me.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

A terrorist threat problem, a money interest, a power clash. America wouldn't send so many soldier there just because of terrorism - and they should have left the country years ago if the cause was only possible terrorism.

The Iraq war is a genius long term anti-terrorism plan. Leaving Iraq years ago would have allowed the new government to crumble. That would go against the genius plan.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

So has it in Brazil.

Good. The more the merrier. A big difference between you and me in this conversation is that I do not hate your country and do not feel the need to throw out despicable stereotypes of Brazilians. I am all for Brazil. I honestly hope you adopt our economic policies so you can stop being a poor nation.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

No, it's not anarchy. It's capitalism. It's whoever-has-more-money-rules. Pretty much all of the "poor" people in urban areas of Brazil have TVs, computers, Ipods, and etc. They spend what they don't have for the sake of the "american dream".

Yes, people who have more money have more power, but we still have laws that limit their victimizations of others. We have competition, and it inspires people to do their best, which benefits the overall system.

If your poor have all of those things, then your country is not that poor. Poor is having anxiety over where your next meal is coming from, drinking out of bacterial ridden ponds that are also toilets, and not having electricity. Countries where the "poor" have big luxuries are doing very well.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

The constitution. Constitutional monarchy. It seems like you don't understand what that is. It means the monarch has strict rules to follow. And most probably some institution to interfere, should that not happen. It's usually the parliament.

So there is a parliament who makes sure the monarch doesn't go too far. Well then, who makes sure the parliament does not get paid off to look the other way? What stops the monarch from doing a half ass job? What incentive does the monarch have to make good laws and not bad ones?

We have a Congress that makes federal laws. They debate each other very intensely and publicly over the laws they propose. Then there is a long and complicated system for getting the bills passed. The ones that the people in Congress support enough, with voters' eyes on them and media analysis on their asses, go to the president, who can veto the bill, with the same eyes on him. Then, the bill can go back to Congress and pass a higher standard, at which point it becomes a law. If those people screw up bad enough, they pay for it by not getting re-elected when they have to defend their seats after just a few years. If they do things really corrupt, they have a large FBI to deal with and a population that makes sure the FBI works effectively. We have a very effective FBI that is composed of people who are trained to constantly investigate each other. That is a major filter for laws and government behavior. What does a monarch have other than his own power craving ass and a small parliament that might step in and do whatever the fuck if they have not been paid off enough?

You overestimate the goodness of mankind. I think that is one of the big reasons for our disagreements. Things are so much more corrupt and self-oriented than you think they are. You overestimate the corruption of my government and greatly underestimate it for everybody else.

Now back to what I said about how prejudiced you sound. As a rule of thumb, vast generalizations about gigantic groups of people are false. Go back to everything insulting you said about Americans and pretend you are saying it about gay people and throw in some vicious stereotypes about gay people. You will get my point.

Originally Posted by Minervas Phoenix

That is not the same. You didn't ask what my favourite flavour was. You asked what flavour should we all eat.....Big difference. That's why I said peoples favourite flavour. that is what they eat. Because you wouldn't eat the worst flavour. When you asked what form of government. That is the same as saying what type of icecream should we should all eat. And I'm just saying.....We already eat whatever icecream we think is best.

It was an analogy. The point was that you were dodging the question, and you still are.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

How is the reasoning faulty? What is your answer to my question?

It is faulty because that's not what communism is about. Possessions are everyone's in the idea that everyone gets an evenly-distributed share.

But as I said ,even under your reasoning, which is not what communism is about, communism would still work.

Liberating a nation from a Hellish government and giving them major hope and opportunity for a great future of advancement and civlization is like planting a tree? Taking down a terrorist government with a history of WMD terrorism is like planting a tree? Killing potential terrorists by the tens of thousands is like planting a tree? Influencing terrorist governments like Lybbia to give up their WMD programs is like planting a tree? Wrong.

Most of what you said is actually illusory. You're not helping much by making war. You're not helping much by generating violence. Most of what you said is only excuse for invading the country. And the real reason is powe-hungriness.

Don't keep repeatign all that "false friendship" america is doing to the Middle East. America has other interests in mind. Lol you sound like Comte. What you're doing is justificating war. Justificating war. Look at yourself.

It would be an unfair system of thievery.

Pfff, I've already said it many times, but it wouldn't. Why would it be an unfair system of thievery? C'mon. Everyone has the same rights and teh same possessions. Everyone is equal. The world is finally fair.

If communism is unfair thievery, enlighten me and tell me how. And don't go and say the government is corrupted. I've already covered that bit.

You greatly overestimate how hard people are willing to work just to help the overall system. What does work are executives who obsess their lives over making profits. That is the source of major inventiveness and financial growth. How many hours did you work this month just to help the overall system?

That's why, for goodness sake, I'm sayign communism wouldn't work for human beings. Human beings only care about personal gain.

The "exploited" guy has major incentive to climb the ladder, and the most skilled and hardest working ones do. Then those "exploited" guys work on ways to make the business better and how to grow the business, which creates more jobs, more inventions, and more economic stimulation.

The "exploited" guy has major incentive to climb the ladder, but no opportunity to do so. In fact, that idea of "climbing the ladder" is only brainwashing to make the exploited guy work harder. You're now defending exploitation. You're getting sillier, really. I wish YOU had been born in a starving country, you wouldn't be saying that. You lack minimal empathy.

I have seen it not work, and I know why I work and why I don't work. I know why other people work and don't work. I know how a huge chunk of society hates work and will do as little of it as possible. People work to make money. That's about all. You should be more open-minded to that fact.

I am open-minded, and I hate it. That's why I (again) insist that communism wouldn't work for human beings. Human beings suck.

How much pleasure working have you done this month?

Oh I have not done literal work, but I've just been studying particle physics on my own. I hate physics. All the better to greatly understand things. And it's been so rewarding! I will never ever use that knowledge to make money, as I intend to be a physician, but hell is it rewarding. Volunteers work out of pleasure and for mutual benefit. Take Wikipedia for example - all volunteer work.

Then send me my food, car, electricity, etc. It is your responsibility to take care of me. You owe me since you have money. I hate work and plan to do as little as possible.

Firstly, you'd probably be raised from young age with the mindset that working is good and beneficial. Things would be different.
The money belongs to the population, not the institution that shares it. So are you saying that, since mail companies deliver mail, the letter is theirs?

Where do you get this stuff? From anti-American web sites? You are so prejudiced. Type exactly the same thing about gay people so you can read it and know what you sound like. Do you have the slightest idea how diverse my country is?

Your prejudice against a nation of 300,000 people representing every walk of life under the sun is eating you up.

My prejudice is not about people of the nation - it isn't one's fault if they are ignorant. I don't think I'm making generalisations either, since i'm judging a country and not a group of them. Finally, I never said there aren't exceptions. I'm not saying you are ignorant, I'm saying a great deal of americans are ignorant, just like a great deal of brazilians are.

Those are some whopping generalizations. The best movies ever made were made here. The best music ever recorded was recorded by American and British musicians. We have a lot more restaurants than McDonald's and a lot more food than hamburgers and fries. You shouldn't be so narrow minded hateful toward the country that keeps yours protected and provides your favorite inventions and entertainment.

Is somebody extremely jealous? I won't mention any names.

Lol. You're just up to your head with americanisation. The best movies ever made were indeed made in the US, but that's because it's economically well and has the funds for expensive productions. But compare Spiderman 3 with a film that brings awareness of the corruption in Brazil during the military dictatorship. One of those has slightly more meaning than the other, heh?

No, the best music recorded wasn't made by americans - it just happens that your country has money enough to promote all the shitty bands. I myself think Europe has the best in terms of music. It jus thappens that so much money isn't spent to try and subdue other countries' cultures.

Tell me one single thing about american folklore.

American keeps me protected? Lol how so?

And american productions are not my favourite kind of entertainment. You are the one who's generalising there. No, I'm not jealous, in fact I much prefer the brazilian culture, it has more of a social background and more content. It's more intellectual. When I'm not listening to brazilian music, I'm listening to dutch or finnish music. It just amazes me how the american crap manages to make its way into other countries. What can't capitalism do -.-

False and false again. I said and I repeat:

1) Our illegal immigrants sneak in their friends and family members after they get here.
2) We are a very diverse nation that provides all kinds of social things the world enjoys, ideas the world is interested in, and media the whole world watches.

Lol. No it's not false.

1) It just happens that, when people move to America, they stop being subject to semi-slavery conditions. They get more money to buy their oh-so-important iPods. Then they start being discriminated by american people. That's when the dream ends.
2) So what? Your country imports other countries' cultures and habits for a) it doesnt have its own, b) it makes money. When I say social I mean ignorance, prejudice, close-mindedness and etc. Your country's social aspect doesn't live up to its economical wealth. Not remotely.

Have you ever heard of the blues, jazz, country, rock and roll, ambient space, disco, or speed metal. All American inventions, all social superhits. You brought up McDonald's, so tell me why they are all over the world. Why are our movies, ABOUT AMERICAN CULTURE, so popular all over the world? Why are you so prejudiced and hateful?

Have you ever heard of Samba, Tango, Salsa, Samba-rock, Bossa Nova? Also, I'd go and say disco and metal were clearly not american inventions, nor where they brought to popular culture by America.

Lol, it's only over the world because your country is economically reach (how many times have I repeated this?). And if you call your "american culture" things like Spongebob or Hannah Montana, then you may go and die already.

Then you've dealt with a lot of them not being in your country because they decided to stay here. Encourage your government to be more capitalistic so your country can be wealthy too. You won't be so bitter then.

Ignorant. Lol. You have no idea about my country's situation, don't say what you don't know. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, all for the sake of capitalism. Brazil is still an american colony - americans come and sell their stuff here because it's even cheaper than the taxes they pay in the US. The government sponsors it. That's capitalism. Don't talk about Brazil if you're completely oblivious to its situation. It'll make you sound dumb.

Did you notice the great architecture, music, museums, restaurants, night clubs, and social diversity? In New York, of all places, if you could "feel" people's prejudicial stare over your being Brazillian, then you were hallucinating.

Architecture, museums, restaurants. Lol. They have mexican, japanese, chinese, brazilian and indian food. The only restrictively american stuff I found was chesseburguers xD

A prejudiced as Hell person who lives in a very poor country and hates the richest one in the world saying how bad the rich country is, using supervast and extremely insulting generalizatinons at every turn? I wouldn't trust it, unless there's some really hardcore evidence.

Lol. You call me prejudiced as hell, and then you say that. Why am I still writing? ^^

My silliness in saying we have terrorist organizations trying to kill mass numbers of us, ones that have succeeded here and overseas and have been caught trying since pulling it off here? Yeah, silly me. Since we don't really have a terrorism threat to deal with, please explain to me how you know that. Thanks for your compassion.

Your silliness in not admiting one country doesn't invade the other jus tto be heroes. Your silliness in not admiting America is afte roil and money and power. That's where your silliness lies. Stop ignoring these aspects.

And, FYI, you do have trerrorist threat, but it's not nearly as dangerous as you put it anymore. It's been like that for what, 2 years? Get the damn soldiers out already if your aims are only fighting terrorism.

Iraq was not ready for us to leave, and we have caught tons of members of Al Qaeda who scream that they want to do exactly what they did on 9/11. We also have video taped confessions and lots of other evidence. Who the Hell else might have been on suicide missions flying those airplanes? Tell me. Seriously, tell me.

Propaganda. Your country makes it worse than it already is. The videos have always existed. Al Qaeda has always existed. Stop playing heroes and saying you're doing good, last time it ended up in a nuclear bomb. Don't ignore that.

The Iraq war is a genius long term anti-terrorism plan. Leaving Iraq years ago would have allowed the new government to crumble. That would go against the genius plan.

really genius plan, I mus tagree. You pretend you're heroes and get money and power from it. genius. Though it's getting old already - people don't buy it anymore.

Good. The more the merrier. A big difference between you and me in this conversation is that I do not hate your country and do not feel the need to throw out despicable stereotypes of Brazilians. I am all for Brazil. I honestly hope you adopt our economic policies so you can stop being a poor nation.

LOOOOOOOOOOL

Youy are so ignorant abotu Brazil. Don't say things you don't know. It's not that magical thing you think. You're just now fighting and moaning about how americans rule the world. You're pathetic. And ignorant. Don't talk abotu Brazil if you're ignorant about its situation. If there was such easy solution we'd have done that a century ago.

Yes, people who have more money have more power, but we still have laws that limit their victimizations of others. We have competition, and it inspires people to do their best, which benefits the overall system.

Yes you do have laws, but less-developed countries don't. So America goes and imperialise into them. They seel the idea tha tyou need ipods and etc to be happy. They sell the american dream. And ignorant, poor people buy it. You don't have competition in e.g. an African country - so companies go and do their please.

If your poor have all of those things, then your country is not that poor. Poor is having anxiety over where your next meal is coming from, drinking out of bacterial ridden ponds that are also toilets, and not having electricity. Countries where the "poor" have big luxuries are doing very well.

Yes, people do have anxiety for no knowing what to eat next, but they just go and buy the expensive mobile phone, paying it in 2-year spans, just so that they can show it to their friends.

And I meant the urban poor - there's still 95% of Brazil that isn't urban.

So there is a parliament who makes sure the monarch doesn't go too far. Well then, who makes sure the parliament does not get paid off to look the other way? What stops the monarch from doing a half ass job? What incentive does the monarch have to make good laws and not bad ones?

Hobbes. Lol. You're just too confined inside your bubble. Visualsie a bit, and you'll see monarchy works. The monarch represents the country, and so has the incentive of promoting their country's growth. It's almost patriotic, if you ask me. Something you seem to be verily.

We have a Congress that makes federal laws. They debate each other very intensely and publicly over the laws they propose. Then there is a long and complicated system for getting the bills passed. The ones that the people in Congress support enough, with voters' eyes on them and media analysis on their asses, go to the president, who can veto the bill, with the same eyes on him. Then, the bill can go back to Congress and pass a higher standard, at which point it becomes a law. If those people screw up bad enough, they pay for it by not getting re-elected when they have to defend their seats after just a few years. If they do things really corrupt, they have a large FBI to deal with and a population that makes sure the FBI works effectively. We have a very effective FBI that is composed of people who are trained to constantly investigate each other. That is a major filter for laws and government behavior. What does a monarch have other than his own power craving ass and a small parliament that might step in and do whatever the fuck if they have not been paid off enough?

Try to imagine out of your capitalist bubble. You'll see monarchy works.

You overestimate the goodness of mankind. I think that is one of the big reasons for our disagreements. Things are so much more corrupt and self-oriented than you think they are. You overestimate the corruption of my government and greatly underestimate it for everybody else.

Lol. Why do I overestimate the corruption of your country and not everybody else's. I never said that. What I'm fighting is capitalism. You're so brainwashed into liking capitalism it pains.

Now back to what I said about how prejudiced you sound. As a rule of thumb, vast generalizations about gigantic groups of people are false. Go back to everything insulting you said about Americans and pretend you are saying it about gay people and throw in some vicious stereotypes about gay people. You will get my point.

never said there aren't exception. What I'm saying is what's valid for the majority. I can go and say the vast majority of Brazil is poor, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean I'm poor.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

Jeez... calm down. I didn't realise you had such a deep hatred for efficent systems of government.

The past empires your referring to didn't have the structure I proposed. Nowhere near. So what the hell are you talking about?!

What countries are you talking about? By efficent you mean the nations wealth? What about the people?

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

What countries are you talking about? By efficent you mean the nations wealth? What about the people?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

But is a nations wealth all that matter? People will rebel, and lives will be lost. I can provide many examples of how dictatorships have treated human life as a game.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

But is a nations wealth all that matter? People will rebel, and lives will be lost. I can provide many examples of how dictatorships have treated human life as a game.

I completely agree with you. Wealth is not a primary factor. take Brazil for example: a nice, stable economy, but the poverty is extremely high. People are ignorant, manipulated, religious, americanised. Wealth is not a country's main development character.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

It is faulty because that's not what communism is about. Possessions are everyone's in the idea that everyone gets an evenly-distributed share.

But as I said ,even under your reasoning, which is not what communism is about, communism would still work.

You are not answering my question. Why would I not be able to walk into your house and walk off with our television? Why?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Most of what you said is actually illusory. You're not helping much by making war. You're not helping much by generating violence. Most of what you said is only excuse for invading the country. And the real reason is powe-hungriness.

You have yet to counter any of the points I made about the terrorist threat. All you are doing is repeating your mere assertion.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Don't keep repeatign all that "false friendship" america is doing to the Middle East. America has other interests in mind. Lol you sound like Comte. What you're doing is justificating war. Justificating war. Look at yourself.

War is sometimes necessary. Do you honestly deny that? Explain why Iraq did not deserve to be liberated from the Hussein regime so they can have a future of freedom and prosperity. Explain how that would not make the region more secular (Remember your own theory on that?) in the long run. Explain how killing tens or hundreds of thousands of nuts who have it in them to come out of the wood work and commit terrorism in the name of anti-democracy is not good at all. Explain why a ceasefire should not be enforced. Explain why a terrorist government that has used WMD's in a terrorist attack should be left standing even when they share the same enemy with Al Qaeda and such. You are not communicating this.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Pfff, I've already said it many times, but it wouldn't. Why would it be an unfair system of thievery? C'mon. Everyone has the same rights and teh same possessions. Everyone is equal. The world is finally fair.

If communism is unfair thievery, enlighten me and tell me how. And don't go and say the government is corrupted. I've already covered that bit.

The government is corrupted because it owns everything, which it would not do in a country where the people vote in the law makers. Plus, what a person earns, he does not get to keep. Not any of it. That is thievery.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

That's why, for goodness sake, I'm sayign communism wouldn't work for human beings. Human beings only care about personal gain.

Earlier, you only mentioned stupidity.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

The "exploited" guy has major incentive to climb the ladder, but no opportunity to do so. In fact, that idea of "climbing the ladder" is only brainwashing to make the exploited guy work harder. You're now defending exploitation. You're getting sillier, really. I wish YOU had been born in a starving country, you wouldn't be saying that. You lack minimal empathy.

I have seen employees become employers a hundred trillion times. It is how our system works. You lack minimal understanding of how capitalism works. You just hate rich people and want to lash out.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I am open-minded, and I hate it. That's why I (again) insist that communism wouldn't work for human beings. Human beings suck.

I am glad you now admit it.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Oh I have not done literal work, but I've just been studying particle physics on my own. I hate physics. All the better to greatly understand things. And it's been so rewarding! I will never ever use that knowledge to make money, as I intend to be a physician, but hell is it rewarding. Volunteers work out of pleasure and for mutual benefit. Take Wikipedia for example - all volunteer work.

You want to be a physician? Then get ready to be rich. I bet... Seriously, I bet.... when you start making the big bucks, you are not going to give away all of your money charity except just enough to live on. I bet you live a very wealthy lifestyle, if you do become a physician. Mark my words. That is the nature of humanity. I also bet you would be pissing fire if the government ever came in and took 99% of your great wealth and gave it to charity without your consent. You might not see it now, but you would then.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Firstly, you'd probably be raised from young age with the mindset that working is good and beneficial. Things would be different.
The money belongs to the population, not the institution that shares it. So are you saying that, since mail companies deliver mail, the letter is theirs?

No, the mail companies give you all of the mail that is actually yours. You get to have it in your possession and do with it as you please. Is that what you believe in doing with money?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

My prejudice is not about people of the nation - it isn't one's fault if they are ignorant. I don't think I'm making generalisations either, since i'm judging a country and not a group of them. Finally, I never said there aren't exceptions. I'm not saying you are ignorant, I'm saying a great deal of americans are ignorant, just like a great deal of brazilians are.

You said we suck socially. You are talking about the people when you say that. Even if you make exceptions, you are talking about the society as something that sucks. You are also wrong. Did you know that we recently landed a remote control robot on Mars? Did you know that we influence the world more than any other country? Did you know that we lead the world in technological and medical advancement? I am not buying this stuff about ignorance. It is absurd. If you go to medical school, get ready to learn about a ton of American physicians.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Lol. You're just up to your head with americanisation. The best movies ever made were indeed made in the US, but that's because it's economically well and has the funds for expensive productions. But compare Spiderman 3 with a film that brings awareness of the corruption in Brazil during the military dictatorship. One of those has slightly more meaning than the other, heh?

Yes, exactly. Our economy allowed for the greatest entertainment industry in the world, and that is why the best movies of all time are American. Bingo. A lot of our films have very important social messages. Have you ever seen Schindler's List? If Brazil would adopt our economic system, you would be able to make very high tech movies that the whole world wants to see, and they could be about corruption in the Brazilian government. I loved City of God, but it didn't have the right market power to be a worldwide blockbuster.

I don't say the stuff I say about my country because I am in national competition with the rest of the world. I say it because I want the rest of the world to do what we do. If the rest of the world became much more capitalistic and we ended up with the same economy but became the thirtieth richest country in the world, I would consider it a victory for the world. I am concerned about the entire world, not just my country.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

No, the best music recorded wasn't made by americans - it just happens that your country has money enough to promote all the shitty bands. I myself think Europe has the best in terms of music. It jus thappens that so much money isn't spent to try and subdue other countries' cultures.

The rock of the 1970's and late 1960's is the best music there has ever been, I and a lot of the world believe. Most of it was American. Music just sucks in general today, except for speed metal and ambient space music.

Why do you assume we spend money to subdue other cultures? You have been reading some crazy stuff about my country.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Tell me one single thing about american folklore.

Have you ever seen a Western? If not, everybody else has.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

American keeps me protected? Lol how so?

Do you know how at one time the world's countries were constantly changing borders and names? Do you know why it is not like that any more? It is because we don't put up with that shit, and everybody knows it. Nobody would dare invade your country with us in the continent next door.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

And american productions are not my favourite kind of entertainment. You are the one who's generalising there. No, I'm not jealous, in fact I much prefer the brazilian culture, it has more of a social background and more content. It's more intellectual. When I'm not listening to brazilian music, I'm listening to dutch or finnish music. It just amazes me how the american crap manages to make its way into other countries. What can't capitalism do -.-

Then you have rare tastes.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Lol. No it's not false.

1) It just happens that, when people move to America, they stop being subject to semi-slavery conditions. They get more money to buy their oh-so-important iPods. Then they start being discriminated by american people. That's when the dream ends.
2) So what? Your country imports other countries' cultures and habits for a) it doesnt have its own, b) it makes money. When I say social I mean ignorance, prejudice, close-mindedness and etc. Your country's social aspect doesn't live up to its economical wealth. Not remotely.

1) The dream does not end. They stay here and will go through all kinds of wild stuff to avoid being deported.
2) a) I have told you all about what is original about our culture, and you have yet to refute the points I made. b) You are far more prejudiced than most of the Americans I know.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Have you ever heard of Samba, Tango, Salsa, Samba-rock, Bossa Nova? Also, I'd go and say disco and metal were clearly not american inventions, nor where they brought to popular culture by America.

Disco was an American invention. Metal was not, but speed metal was. I said speed metal in the last post. Those musical forms are extremely popular all over the world. What were you saying about the U.S. not having its own cultural creations? You are trying way too hard to be hateful.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Lol, it's only over the world because your country is economically reach (how many times have I repeated this?). And if you call your "american culture" things like Spongebob or Hannah Montana, then you may go and die already.

Those are part of American culture. If you are dishonest enough to deny that, then you need to go and die already (according to your way of thinking). Our industry allows talent to be marketed well, but the talent is what makes the world want to listen to it. Your excuses are not denying the fact that American culture is celebrated majorly all over the world. It is. Face it.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Ignorant. Lol. You have no idea about my country's situation, don't say what you don't know. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer, all for the sake of capitalism. Brazil is still an american colony - americans come and sell their stuff here because it's even cheaper than the taxes they pay in the US. The government sponsors it. That's capitalism. Don't talk about Brazil if you're completely oblivious to its situation. It'll make you sound dumb.

You don't have our level of capitalism. Don't be ignorant.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Architecture, museums, restaurants. Lol. They have mexican, japanese, chinese, brazilian and indian food. The only restrictively american stuff I found was chesseburguers xD

Oh, you want to talk about just restaurants. Okay. Yes, our culture is into foods from all over the place. We have that kind of diversity here. Did you know that we are called "the great melting pot"? I'm sure Brazil is too. However, we have American cheese, grits, steaks preparations, barbeque styles of all kinds of stuff, casseroles, and a zillion combinations of foods that are of American origin. Sorry to disappoint you.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Lol. You call me prejudiced as hell, and then you say that. Why am I still writing? ^^

I was mocking you to illustrate how your point sounded. If I had been totally literal, I would have mentioned your excrutiating jealousy, which is what actually does hurt your credibility.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Your silliness in not admiting one country doesn't invade the other jus tto be heroes. Your silliness in not admiting America is afte roil and money and power. That's where your silliness lies. Stop ignoring these aspects.

Why can you not see anything other than your unproven assertions? I have told you a good list of reasons. You don't even address them. You just go back to your hollow assertion over and over. I know the people we are talking about, and they are not fighting to make money. They don't make fortunes for fighting. You are very ignorant about my country.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

And, FYI, you do have trerrorist threat, but it's not nearly as dangerous as you put it anymore. It's been like that for what, 2 years? Get the damn soldiers out already if your aims are only fighting terrorism.

Oh, so you think our anti-terrorism measures are working? I do too.

We are not going to abandon the new Iraqi government to be screwed. We are going to make sure it can stand on its own. Sorry.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Propaganda. Your country makes it worse than it already is. The videos have always existed. Al Qaeda has always existed. Stop playing heroes and saying you're doing good, last time it ended up in a nuclear bomb. Don't ignore that.

The nuclear bomb ended World War II, and that was right after we drove the Nazis out of Western Europe and stopped their world conquest. Now we are liberating and advancing the Middle East. What has Brazil done lately?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

really genius plan, I mus tagree. You pretend you're heroes and get money and power from it. genius. Though it's getting old already - people don't buy it anymore.

Do you have the slightest good thing to say about the liberation of two Middle Eastern countries from nightmare governments that had no end in sight and were suicide bomb terrorist governments? Anything?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

LOOOOOOOOOOL

Youy are so ignorant abotu Brazil. Don't say things you don't know. It's not that magical thing you think. You're just now fighting and moaning about how americans rule the world. You're pathetic. And ignorant. Don't talk abotu Brazil if you're ignorant about its situation. If there was such easy solution we'd have done that a century ago.

No, you wouldn't have, as evidenced by the fact that you haven't.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Yes you do have laws, but less-developed countries don't. So America goes and imperialise into them. They seel the idea tha tyou need ipods and etc to be happy. They sell the american dream. And ignorant, poor people buy it. You don't have competition in e.g. an African country - so companies go and do their please.

The American dream helps countries. Japan is now the second wealthiest nation in the world. That is because we rewrote their constitution in 1945. Germany is in third place. We liberated West Germany in 1945 and East Germany in the late 80's. That is what we do. We turn shitty countries into great ones. I know you hate that. You should ask yourself why.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Yes, people do have anxiety for no knowing what to eat next, but they just go and buy the expensive mobile phone, paying it in 2-year spans, just so that they can show it to their friends.

And I meant the urban poor - there's still 95% of Brazil that isn't urban.

Oh, you kind of left that part out. Well, our entire "poor" class is well off. They have all of those things and still have means for eating fast food every day.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Hobbes. Lol. You're just too confined inside your bubble. Visualsie a bit, and you'll see monarchy works. The monarch represents the country, and so has the incentive of promoting their country's growth. It's almost patriotic, if you ask me. Something you seem to be verily.

I don't believe in blind patriotism, and I don't trust it to keep a monarch in line. I believe in having a system where everybody is accountable, realistically accountable.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Try to imagine out of your capitalist bubble. You'll see monarchy works.

Yeah, because absolute rulers are totally good folks who can be trusted. I believe you.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Lol. Why do I overestimate the corruption of your country and not everybody else's. I never said that. What I'm fighting is capitalism. You're so brainwashed into liking capitalism it pains.

I have illustrated the successes of capitalism all over this thread. Now you tell me about the successes of monarchy.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

never said there aren't exception. What I'm saying is what's valid for the majority. I can go and say the vast majority of Brazil is poor, but that doesn't (necessarily) mean I'm poor.

You have a terrible attitude about my society as a whole, and you seem to love spewing those terrible opinions at people of my society. Imagine somebody saying about gay people (to a gay person) everything you just said about American culture and systems and then going, "Oh, but there are some exceptions."

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

You are not answering my question. Why would I not be able to walk into your house and walk off with our television? Why?

Yes I have answered your question.

1) Because that's not what communism is about.
2) Because then nothing'd stop me from invading your house and getting your TV.

You have yet to counter any of the points I made about the terrorist threat. All you are doing is repeating your mere assertion.

And you have yet to counter any of the points I made about America's interest in Iraq.

Your points are just justification to war. That's my counter-argument.

War is sometimes necessary. Do you honestly deny that? Explain why Iraq did not deserve to be liberated from the Hussein regime so they can have a future of freedom and prosperity. Explain how that would not make the region more secular (Remember your own theory on that?) in the long run. Explain how killing tens or hundreds of thousands of nuts who have it in them to come out of the wood work and commit terrorism in the name of anti-democracy is not good at all. Explain why a ceasefire should not be enforced. Explain why a terrorist government that has used WMD's in a terrorist attack should be left standing even when they share the same enemy with Al Qaeda and such. You are not communicating this.

Hypocrite. Don't try to justificate war. My image of you has just dropped down low.

The government is corrupted because it owns everything, which it would not do in a country where the people vote in the law makers. Plus, what a person earns, he does not get to keep. Not any of it. That is thievery.

Stop hitting your head against the wall. I said it already: communism wouldn't work exactly because human beings are corrupted. Period. If communism worked, it would be the best solution.

Earlier, you only mentioned stupidity.

-.- Don't try to make an argument out of that. You know what I mean by 'dumb'.

I have seen employees become employers a hundred trillion times. It is how our system works. You lack minimal understanding of how capitalism works. You just hate rich people and want to lash out.

In your goddamn country. Not in Brazil. I don't hate the rich. I don't hate the US. I just think that, for the level of economical advance US is in, it should be more developed socially. I don't hate the rich. I only dislike it when the rich exploit the poor. Stop the ad hominem already.

I am glad you now admit it.

Fuck you. That's what I've been saying since the beginning. Communism doesn't work for human beings. Period. I acknowledge that. But if it worked, if human beings weren't corrupted, communism would be the best solution. I've said that like 10 times already.

You want to be a physician? Then get ready to be rich. I bet... Seriously, I bet.... when you start making the big bucks, you are not going to give away all of your money charity except just enough to live on. I bet you live a very wealthy lifestyle, if you do become a physician. Mark my words. That is the nature of humanity. I also bet you would be pissing fire if the government ever came in and took 99% of your great wealth and gave it to charity without your consent. You might not see it now, but you would then.

Nah, you're wrong. That's what you think. I want to be a physician to help people. You are worried about your goddamn money. Get over yourself.

No, the mail companies give you all of the mail that is actually yours. You get to have it in your possession and do with it as you please. Is that what you believe in doing with money?

I don't get your point. That'd be exactly what the government would do: share the money evenly, no else. You fear for your riches too damn much. Communism doesn't start overnight. It's a slow process. You mus twork on progressively equalling the social layers, up to a point when everyone will be having the same income. It's not like the government will wake up one day and say "let's take from the rich and give it to the poor". Don't be worried about your dirty money, that won't happen.

You said we suck socially. You are talking about the people when you say that. Even if you make exceptions, you are talking about the society as something that sucks. You are also wrong. Did you know that we recently landed a remote control robot on Mars? Did you know that we influence the world more than any other country? Did you know that we lead the world in technological and medical advancement? I am not buying this stuff about ignorance. It is absurd. If you go to medical school, get ready to learn about a ton of American physicians.

Stop it already. I mean your country sucks socially, not economically, nor technologically. Your "culture" is only present in other countries because of your economical power. You are so ignorant, and refuse to admit it. You have no idea about how the rest of the world is like. All you know is who's at the American Idol thing, may I assume? Don't say anything about the rest of the world if you lack understanding of it. If you you had any idea of how much America exploited other countries to get where it is now..

Yes, exactly. Our economy allowed for the greatest entertainment industry in the world, and that is why the best movies of all time are American. Bingo. A lot of our films have very important social messages. Have you ever seen Schindler's List? If Brazil would adopt our economic system, you would be able to make very high tech movies that the whole world wants to see, and they could be about corruption in the Brazilian government. I loved City of God, but it didn't have the right market power to be a worldwide blockbuster.

Stop being ignorant. It's not that simple. It's not abotu "adopting your economical system". Brazil is a capitalist country. A corrupted, poor one. If all the problems in Brazil were that simple to solve, believe me, we'd have done that before America did. Don't talk abotu Brazil if you don't know shit about it.

It's not about movies being worldwide blockbusters, it's about the content they have. Your country is silly enough to use culture to get money. Your country hypnotises peopel into buying more and more as if they needed it. Your country is downright conservative, and won't allow any chaneg in mindset because that would ruin your overvalued economical system.

I don't say the stuff I say about my country because I am in national competition with the rest of the world. I say it because I want the rest of the world to do what we do. If the rest of the world became much more capitalistic and we ended up with the same economy but became the thirtieth richest country in the world, I would consider it a victory for the world. I am concerned about the entire world, not just my country.

Do what you do, in what? Do you think the rest of the world is communist? Do you think the rest of the world hasn't tried to develop greatly? Do you think the rest of the world doesn't have problems? You are ignorant about the rest of the world. Therefore, don't talk about the rest of the world. Capitalism is not the "cure" for the world. 98% of the world is capitalist, Africa is capitalist, South America is capitalist, Middle Asia is capitalist, and all those countries still haven't started growing because of the goddamn capilaism. Of course, there is the Chian example, where people are put in semi-slavery for the sake of the cuntry's growth. You complain about 40 hours per week? Imagine something like 100 hours per week.

The rock of the 1970's and late 1960's is the best music there has ever been, I and a lot of the world believe. Most of it was American. Music just sucks in general today, except for speed metal and ambient space music.

Why do you assume we spend money to subdue other cultures? You have been reading some crazy stuff about my country.

Lo, you don't spend money to subdue other countries cultures. You sell your culture. You sell it because it makes money, for your oh-so-fair ubercapitalist society. You sell it. And your music only makes success because it is sponsored by some great deal of money. That's the only reason. I personally think the 60's rock sucked.

Have you ever seen a Western? If not, everybody else has.

Oh, I have. Now let me start telling about Brazil's folklore. I'll be done in a very few hours.

Do you know how at one time the world's countries were constantly changing borders and names? Do you know why it is not like that any more? It is because we don't put up with that shit, and everybody knows it. Nobody would dare invade your country with us in the continent next door.

You're are so rather ignorant. So influenced by propaganda. Nobody would dare invade my country, because America will protect me? Oh, what was it that happened to America in 9/11? Isn't America safe?

You're so silly. You think your country is the center of the world. Nah. It's just a rich one. A rich one whose social aspect doesn't live up to it.

Then you have rare tastes.

Oh, is that what you say when someone doesn't like the crap americans come up with?

1) The dream does not end. They stay here and will go through all kinds of wild stuff to avoid being deported.
2) a) I have told you all about what is original about our culture, and you have yet to refute the points I made. b) You are far more prejudiced than most of the Americans I know.

1) People who move to the US are ignorant themselves, it's not like they'll be much bothered about it. They don't go back because their country is actually worse than US. The condition they lived i nwas worse than the one in the US (which isn't that good). That's the sole reason.
2) No you have not told me. Tell me one thing about your culture (which isn't Spongebob, American Idol or MTV) that is of any artistic value. You are far more ignorant than most Americans I know.

Disco was an American invention. Metal was not, but speed metal was. I said speed metal in the last post. Those musical forms are extremely popular all over the world. What were you saying about the U.S. not having its own cultural creations? You are trying way too hard to be hateful.

Lol. Disco was promoted by Italy and some parts of Latin America. And I have never heard what "speed metal" is about. You know what is popular here? Black music. You don't even know about your country's music.

Yoru overvalue american culture too much - it's not that good, it's only well-sponsored. You sell your culture. That's what's to be hated. Tryingto make money over anything possible.

Those are part of American culture. If you are dishonest enough to deny that, then you need to go and die already (according to your way of thinking). Our industry allows talent to be marketed well, but the talent is what makes the world want to listen to it. Your excuses are not denying the fact that American culture is celebrated majorly all over the world. It is. Face it.

LOL. So you do acknowledge yoru culture consists of Spongebob? You're so downright silly. It's not talent which allows it to grow, it's money. Poor people don't have time for talent. They only have time for peer-group pressure. And the peer group listens to what your country sponsors. If you wanna talk about talent, then get just one example. Floor jansen, lead vocalist of a metal band I like. She's studied music for 11 years. Their music involves full-composed choirs and orchestras. Contrary to America, where some silly repetitive music is sponsored and suddenyl becomes a hit.

You don't have our level of capitalism. Don't be ignorant.

Yes we do. Don't be ignorant. I oculd go and talk abotu Brazil's situation, but it's too long, and you'll probably not understand it anyway. You only know about htings you see each day. Do you take geography at school? Well if you do, then your educational system is filled with propaganda. Learn some geography before saying other countries aren't capitalist. there's nothing as capitalist as Brazil. Thanks to America, which promotes it.

Oh, you want to talk about just restaurants. Okay. Yes, our culture is into foods from all over the place. We have that kind of diversity here. Did you know that we are called "the great melting pot"? I'm sure Brazil is too. However, we have American cheese, grits, steaks preparations, barbeque styles of all kinds of stuff, casseroles, and a zillion combinations of foods that are of American origin. Sorry to disappoint you.

hahah, disappoint me? You're jus tacknoledging America doesn't have its own culture, and parasites it from the rest of the world. Did you know that barbecue started in Brazil? Do you know where and when and why?

I was mocking you to illustrate how your point sounded. If I had been totally literal, I would have mentioned your excrutiating jealousy, which is what actually does hurt your credibility.

Lol na hI'm not jealous. I'm jealous of the Netherlands, I'm jealous of Norway, I'm jealous of Canada. You're just saying I'm jealous of the US because you don't want to accept the truth that I don't like your country. Everybody else does, right? -.-

Why can you not see anything other than your unproven assertions? I have told you a good list of reasons. You don't even address them. You just go back to your hollow assertion over and over. I know the people we are talking about, and they are not fighting to make money. They don't make fortunes for fighting. You are very ignorant about my country.

Just because you plant a tree, it doesn't mean investing in polluting industry isn't bad. You invaded Iraq under the propaganda that you were doing good. Fighting terrorism? Propaganda. That's my counter-argument. The reasons you gave are all propaganda. And you still deny that there are economical interests. RIDICULOUS. If there aren't economical intyerests, why would your downright capitalist country invade it? Lol you're so silly.

Oh, so you think our anti-terrorism measures are working? I do too.

We are not going to abandon the new Iraqi government to be screwed. We are going to make sure it can stand on its own. Sorry.

You're justificating war. If there was no good aspect about invading Iraq to use it as excuse, believe me, the UN would have stopped the US.

The nuclear bomb ended World War II, and that was right after we drove the Nazis out of Western Europe and stopped their world conquest. Now we are liberating and advancing the Middle East. What has Brazil done lately?

WW2 HAD ALREADY ENDED. The japanese were to retreat. You are so goddamn stupid and influenced. Yoru country only wanted to test its effects fearign that another opportunity wouldn't come. EVEN IF THE WAR HADN'T ENDED, IT DOESN'T JUSTIFY A NUCLEAR BOMB FOR GOODNESS SAKE!! You like to play the good guys to have war. America is not the world's hero, get that straight off your head. No, you are not liberating the ME. You are making war. Nothing justificates it. Nothing. Look at yourself, look at what you are saying. You sound like Stalin or something. War is necessary, huh? ..|..

Do you have the slightest good thing to say about the liberation of two Middle Eastern countries from nightmare governments that had no end in sight and were suicide bomb terrorist governments? Anything?

I have a lot of bad to say about America's money-interest in the ME. The interests are a fact. A fact you refuse to understand, because it makes your country and your capitalism look evil.

No, you wouldn't have, as evidenced by the fact that you haven't.

Ignorant. There is no simple solution to a country's problem. Ignorant. Learn geography. If the world's problems could be solved so easily, believe me, we would have doen it already. You were influenced by your government into believing America's exploitation is good. That's an example of how your country sucks socially.

The American dream helps countries. Japan is now the second wealthiest nation in the world. That is because we rewrote their constitution in 1945. Germany is in third place. We liberated West Germany in 1945 and East Germany in the late 80's. That is what we do. We turn shitty countries into great ones. I know you hate that. You should ask yourself why.

Stop justificating war. Stop justificating subduing other countries' cultures. Stop saying good about the american dream (and I don't see how you are in favour of the american dream, but dislike immigration).

No, you don't turn shitty countries into good ones. That's war propaganda. I hate the fact tha tyou go and fuck with the world, and pretend to be the good guys. And i hate the fact that you've been hypnotised into liking war. Probably by your schooling system. America sucks socially - its citizens even support war.

Oh, you kind of left that part out. Well, our entire "poor" class is well off. They have all of those things and still have means for eating fast food every day.

Don't need to hide the fact that there are wrose problems in your country. Poverty is not a problem there, because your country is wealthy. The problems are social. Do you even know what social means? So far it seems you don't.

I don't believe in blind patriotism, and I don't trust it to keep a monarch in line. I believe in having a system where everybody is accountable, realistically accountable.

It's not like you don't believe in blind patriotism. You do it yourself!

The monarch would be raised with the idea of helping his/her country. The monarch would have to listen to public requests, and if he's bad, the parliament substitutes him.

Yeah, because absolute rulers are totally good folks who can be trusted. I believe you.

Constitutional monarchy doesn't involve absolute ruling. The monarch's doings are limited and guided by the constitution. You don't know what constitutional monarchy is.

I have illustrated the successes of capitalism all over this thread. Now you tell me about the successes of monarchy.

Study history. Monarchy was what made America be found and colonialised. capitalism is not successful, it makes one rich at the cost of others' poverty.

You have a terrible attitude about my society as a whole, and you seem to love spewing those terrible opinions at people of my society. Imagine somebody saying about gay people (to a gay person) everything you just said about American culture and systems and then going, "Oh, but there are some exceptions."

It really depends on what they said about gay people, if it is true or not. If one said most homosexuals go through depression, I'd acknowledge it promptly. If one said homosexuality breaks traditions, I'd acknowledge it (though I see it as a good thing). If someone said gay people are feminine, I'd acknowledge it, even though there are many exceptions to that rule. If someone said smart people are arrogant, I'd acknowledge it. If someone said Brazil sucks, I'd acknowledge it. If someone said Brazilians are ignorant, I'd acknowledge it (even though there are exceptions). ad infinitum

Kromoh, this is getting to be a very long exercise, and you are making it more and more pointless. Answer my questions and counter my points, or this is just going to be totally absurd. For example, saying that is not what communism is about does not answer why I cannot walk off with your television. You said possessions belong to everybody, so my question is legitimate, and you dodged it. Saying your opinion of me has dropped does not answer whether war is ever justified. Saying that I am just using justifications for war does not explain how the actions I listed are not effective in handling what we are facing. You refuse to explain what a monarch is accountable to other than his own ideology. You are not explaining how the blues, jazz, and rock and roll are worthless cultural phenomena. You are not answering or countering. You are just spewing. Answer my questions and counter my points, or else we are not even having a real debate. What is it going to be? If you want me to, I will just make a list of questions since you are having such a hard time keeping up with the specific issues. I'll tell you what. Let's do that. Answer these questions very directly, as if they were short answer questions on a test. If you will do that, I will continue with this.

1. Has any war ever been justified?

2. How should the United States handle organizations of terrorists who claim very passionately that they exist for the purpose of making us extinct due partly to our economic and social freedoms and protection of democracy?

3. Do you see anything positive about the fact that Iraq has a democratic government that allows the people to vote on elected officials, considering the future they now have access to and the fact that they were living under a genocidal, international terrorist, totalitarian regime?

4. Under communism, the nation owns all possessions in common. Under that system, why would I not be allowed to walk into your the house any time I feel like it and walk away with your the television, since the house and the television belong to both of us?

5. Would the house and the television really belong to both of us?

6. In a constitutional monarchy, what is the monarch accountable to when he goes against the constitution, other than a parliament that can be threatened or paid off?

7. Why are blues, jazz, rock and roll, country music, speed metal, the disco that the world actually knows about, American architecture, American night club scenes, American cultural diverstity, American literature, American theater, American paintings, and American food dishes worthless culturally?

8. What is the most successful monarchy in history, and do how were its citizens more benefitted than the current citizens of the United States?

9. How is it not thievery when the government considers everything a person earns to be the property of everybody else?

10. Why is American culture celebrated more than any other all over the world (since it sucks so much, according to... Kromoh)?

11. Did Japan surrender before the first nuclear attack?

12. Did Japan surrender before the second nuclear attack?

13. Briefly describe the tax code and corporate regulations of Brazil.

14. Why are Americans able to make capitalism work so well that it is the biggest financial success of all time?

15. Why did the American rewriting of the Japanese constitution in 1945 lead to Japan's ranking as the second wealthiest nation in the world in 2008?

16. Do you assume that the success of Japan could not also happen for Iraq, and would you be glad if it did?

17. Why do you so strongly believe Americans and Japanese can make capitalism a major financial success but Brazilians can't?

18. Do you admit that Americans have the wealthiest "poor" class in the world?

19. What does "justificating" mean?



Remember... direct answers, as if they are on a short answer test that will be graded. Direct answers. Thank you.

Good news for Brazil: "New capitalism", far less state regulation.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200005...apitalism.html

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Kromoh, this is getting to be a very long exercise, and you are making it more and more pointless. Answer my questions and counter my points, or this is just going to be totally absurd. For example, saying that is not what communism is about does not answer why I cannot walk off with your television. You said possessions belong to everybody, so my question is legitimate, and you dodged it. Saying your opinion of me has dropped does not answer whether war is ever justified. Saying that I am just using justifications for war does not explain how the actions I listed are not effective in handling what we are facing. You refuse to explain what a monarch is accountable to other than his own ideology. You are not explaining how the blues, jazz, and rock and roll are worthless cultural phenomena. You are not answering or countering. You are just spewing. Answer my questions and counter my points, or else we are not even having a real debate. What is it going to be? If you want me to, I will just make a list of questions since you are having such a hard time keeping up with the specific issues. I'll tell you what. Let's do that. Answer these questions very directly, as if they were short answer questions on a test. If you will do that, I will continue with this.

About communism: if you come into my house and take something fro mme, it's considered STEALING since you have your own. If you have the right to steal my TV, nothign stops me fro mstealing yours. Communism doesn't mean lack of laws.

1. Has any war ever been justified?

No.

2. How should the United States handle organizations of terrorists who claim very passionately that they exist for the purpose of making us extinct due partly to our economic and social freedoms and protection of democracy?

I don't think the US was wrong in invading Iraq at first. Iraq started a war (though it could have been forged by the US), so it's America's right to counterattack. But the soldiers should have lkeft Irq years ago.

3. Do you see anything positive about the fact that Iraq has a democratic government that allows the people to vote on elected officials, considering the future they now have access to and the fact that they were living under a genocidal, international terrorist, totalitarian regime?

They were living under a theocracy. The ones who didn't like it moved. What America is doing to Iraq is imposing capitalism.

4. Under communism, the nation owns all possessions in common. Under that system, why would I not be allowed to walk into your the house any time I feel like it and walk away with your the television, since the house and the television belong to both of us?

It's not like it belongs to both of us, as I already said. You understood it wrong. The whole of teh country's possessions belongs to the whole of the population. The possessiosn are then divided evenly. each has their own, none has more than the other. If you invaded my house, stole my television, therefore keeping 2 and leaving me with none, you'd be arrested.

5. Would the house and the television really belong to both of us?

Each house and each TV belongs to each of you. As I've explaiend above.

6. In a constitutional monarchy, what is the monarch accountable to when he goes against the constitution, other than a parliament that can be threatened or paid off?

You're just usign the worst example here. Corruption occurs everywhere, even in your proudly defended democracy. but a large parliament and an effective constitution would prevent it more than democracy prevents corruption.

7. Why are blues, jazz, rock and roll, country music, speed metal, the disco that the world actually knows about, American architecture, American night club scenes, American cultural diverstity, American literature, American theater, American paintings, and American food dishes worthless culturally?

Speed metal: don't know what it's about, it's not a world-wide thing as you think. Disco music might have been created y the US but it wasn't promoted by it. The others... It's not like they are worthless, it's just they they are not as worthy as they have been sponsored for. American architecture? Never heard of any. In fact, wooden walls are what make your houses be blown away by tornados. Night clubs, as i said, weren't promoted by America. America's "cultural diversity" only occurs because America has no own indentity, and therefore parasites others' cultures. American literature, never heard of anything slightly famous. American theatre - cannot bear to compete with the French's. Americna paintings? LOL never seen any. American food dishes? Fast-food? Parasited cuisines? Nah.

A few examples of American culture that is worthful are reggae, the hippie movement, jazz, blues, the 60's rock. Can't deny their value. Unfortunately it seems that you don't even know your own culture.

8. What is the most successful monarchy in history, and do how were its citizens more benefitted than the current citizens of the United States?

It's impossible to compare different ages, first off. I don't know the most successful monarchy, as i don't like to compare things that way, nor am I a historian, but I'd say the Portuguese, the Egiptian and the Macedonian. Those are just a few.

9. How is it not thievery when the government considers everything a person earns to be the property of everybody else?

It's not property of eveyrbody else. Stop twisting things. That itself makes your argument invalid, but anyway.
You work for the benefit of society. You are given what's needed to live a healthy, educated life. everyone is given the same amount - the distribution is fair. Your possessions are yours, your neighbour's possessiosn are his, the difference is that the possessions are the same.

10. Why is American culture celebrated more than any other all over the world (since it sucks so much, according to... Kromoh)?

Because of America's economical wealth. America sells culture and media. It makes money. They do their best to promote the American crap, because it gives them money. That's why it is so present. And that's why most european countries despise america so much.

11. Did Japan surrender before the first nuclear attack?

12. Did Japan surrender before the second nuclear attack?

They were about to. They weren't given the opportunity. They didn't receive a threat. America just went and bombed Japan. And even though, it doesn't justify a nuclear bomb. Nothing does. You're too much used to your hero image, and thinking the nuclear bomb was not an act of heroism ruins that image. That's why you don't accept it. You don't accept the bad your country has done and still does.

13. Briefly describe the tax code and corporate regulations of Brazil.

Briefly? They're capitalist.

14. Why are Americans able to make capitalism work so well that it is the biggest financial success of all time?

Because of making money through exploiting other countries. If it were an Olimpic game, America would be analogous to one who cheats.

15. Why did the American rewriting of the Japanese constitution in 1945 lead to Japan's ranking as the second wealthiest nation in the world in 2008?

Japan was already a rapidly developing country. The matter is that American statistics deny it. In fact, the war only help Japan down. And in fact, I'd say Japan is only not incredibly wealthier than America because of lack of space.

16. Do you assume that the success of Japan could not also happen for Iraq, and would you be glad if it did?

The Japan case was not a success, It was tampering with. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. (...)

17. Why do you so strongly believe Americans and Japanese can make capitalism a major financial success but Brazilians can't?

STOP-BEING-SO-IGNORANT. You don't know anythign about Brazil. You don't. A country's problems are not that simple. As I've said and repeated and repeated and repeated. If they were that simple, Brazil would be 7x more developed than the US. Brazil was exploited, exploited by Portugal, by Spain, by England, by the US, by Holland. Experts say that if Brazil hadn't been exploited, itwould be 7x wealthier than the US. America was lucky not to be. It's a historical thing. You can't solve a country's problems that easily. And you still haven't answered me, do you take geography classes?

18. Do you admit that Americans have the wealthiest "poor" class in the world?

The wealthiest, and the most ignorant. The most prejudicial, the most brainwashed. You're supporting war, what else do I have to say?

19. What does "justificating" mean?

Justifying, my bad. Turns out English is not my first. Do you happen to know Brazil's official language? I would bet my current clothes you don't. No wikipedia, please

Remember... direct answers, as if they are on a short answer test that will be graded. Direct answers. Thank you.

Did my best. Not sure it's enough to confront your ignorance. And you're welcome.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Good news for Brazil: "New capitalism", far less state regulation.

http://www.foreignaffairs.org/200005...apitalism.html

Lol. That is Cold War BS. Brazil was under a military dictatorship soon before that. One that tried to make the country grow. And it didn't work. You don't know Brazilian history. Stop making arguments based on ignorance.

Do you see how that text in the website is so damn conservative, and criticises the left? Cold War. In my (unfortunately catholic) school, there is a cute image os Jesus, and the big, red sentence 'God save us from communism". Cold War. Propaganda. Etc.

It's good to see you're searching for sources, though. Mayeb you'll become less ignorant and full of american brainwash.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

About communism: if you come into my house and take something fro mme, it's considered STEALING since you have your own. If you have the right to steal my TV, nothign stops me fro mstealing yours. Communism doesn't mean lack of laws.

Why are you saying "my" and "yours"? Wouldn't they both be "ours"?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

No.

Wow. Then, how should the Nazis, for example, have been stopped after they had taken over several countries in Europe?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I don't think the US was wrong in invading Iraq at first. Iraq started a war (though it could have been forged by the US), so it's America's right to counterattack. But the soldiers should have lkeft Irq years ago.

So war efforts are sometimes justified?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

They were living under a theocracy. The ones who didn't like it moved. What America is doing to Iraq is imposing capitalism.

None of them liked it, except the ones in power. Capitalism is economic freedom, which is everybody's right and the only fair economic system.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

It's not like it belongs to both of us, as I already said. You understood it wrong. The whole of teh country's possessions belongs to the whole of the population. The possessiosn are then divided evenly. each has their own, none has more than the other. If you invaded my house, stole my television, therefore keeping 2 and leaving me with none, you'd be arrested.

But it belongs to the whole of the population, which includes me. If something belongs to you and not me, how is it the possession of the community as a whole? You are claiming that it belongs to you specifically. Are you not?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Each house and each TV belongs to each of you. As I've explaiend above.

So my television is mine and your television is yours? Then they do not belong to the community as a whole. Joint ownership is what you described at first, and joint ownership means property is owned by every member of a group equally. There is no "mine" or "yours" with joint ownership.

My point is that communism is a total crock of shit. It sounds so all be brothers and share la la land on the surface, but it comes down to the government's ownership of everything.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

You're just usign the worst example here. Corruption occurs everywhere, even in your proudly defended democracy. but a large parliament and an effective constitution would prevent it more than democracy prevents corruption.

You are still not telling me how. So.... how?

I know that corruption exists in every government, but some have much better safeguards than others.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Speed metal: don't know what it's about, it's not a world-wide thing as you think. Disco music might have been created y the US but it wasn't promoted by it. The others... It's not like they are worthless, it's just they they are not as worthy as they have been sponsored for. American architecture? Never heard of any. In fact, wooden walls are what make your houses be blown away by tornados. Night clubs, as i said, weren't promoted by America. America's "cultural diversity" only occurs because America has no own indentity, and therefore parasites others' cultures. American literature, never heard of anything slightly famous. American theatre - cannot bear to compete with the French's. Americna paintings? LOL never seen any. American food dishes? Fast-food? Parasited cuisines? Nah.

So, you are very ignorant about American culture, yet you trash it with great passion.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

A few examples of American culture that is worthful are reggae, the hippie movement, jazz, blues, the 60's rock. Can't deny their value.

Very good. Those are a few, except reggae originated in Jamaica. Didn't you say 60's rock sucks?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Unfortunately it seems that you don't even know your own culture.

A completely empty statement that we both know is not supported by anything and is totally absurd. However, it seems that you don't know my culture. You just know enough about it to be so jealous you can't stand it.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

It's impossible to compare different ages, first off. I don't know the most successful monarchy, as i don't like to compare things that way, nor am I a historian, but I'd say the Portuguese, the Egiptian and the Macedonian. Those are just a few.

And how was their culture so much better than ours? Specifically, how did those governments support their citizens better than we do? Don't forget about how rich our "poor" people are and how fat our homeless people are. You dodged that part of the question.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

It's not property of eveyrbody else. Stop twisting things. That itself makes your argument invalid, but anyway.
You work for the benefit of society. You are given what's needed to live a healthy, educated life. everyone is given the same amount - the distribution is fair. Your possessions are yours, your neighbour's possessiosn are his, the difference is that the possessions are the same.

You said it belongs to the community as a whole. Which is it? It can't be both. You are in effect saying, "It is ours, but not yours."

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Because of America's economical wealth. America sells culture and media. It makes money. They do their best to promote the American crap, because it gives them money. That's why it is so present. And that's why most european countries despise america so much.

Oh, so nobody's buying our "crap"? I was thinking they were.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

They were about to. They weren't given the opportunity. They didn't receive a threat. America just went and bombed Japan. And even though, it doesn't justify a nuclear bomb. Nothing does. You're too much used to your hero image, and thinkign the nuclear bomb was no an act of heroism ruins that image. That's wh yyou don't accept it. You don't accept the bad your country has done and still does.

Then your answer is, "No." "They were about to." Oh, okay. They did not surrender even after the first attack, but you say they were about to BEFORE the first attack? That makes absolutely no sense. They fucked around about surrender because they were manipulative maggots. They did not surrender until after the second nuking. The SECOND one!

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Briefly? They're capitalist.

That is a very vague description. I asked for short answers, not single words of vaguness. Make sure you see the article I posted a little while ago. The "new capitalism" of Brazil takes away a great deal of the state regulation that was inhibiting the Brazilian economy so bad. So Brazil is taking a turn toward a much greater degree of capitalism, which will benefit Brazil greatly as long as it remains.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Because of making money through exploiting other countries. If it were an Olimpic game, America would be analogous to one who cheats.

Please explain.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Japan was already a rapidly developing country. The matter is that American statistics deny it. In fact, the war only help Japan down. And in fact, I'd say Japan is only not incredibly wealthier than America because of lack of space.

No, the system we gave them turned everything around. They had an oppressive bullshit government and were nothing close to being the second wealthiest nation in the world. We gave them a way to maintain true capitalism. I hope Brazil will continue to do that too.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

The Japan case was not a success, It was tampering with. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. Nothing justifies war. (...)

That is not what you said earlier about our war with Iraq in its early days. Japan was actually a success. They surrendered, we rewrote their constitution, and look at where they are today.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

STOP-BEING-SO-IGNORANT. You don't know anythign about Brazil. You don't. A country's problems are not that simple. As I've said and repeated and repeated and repeated. If they were that simple, Brazil would be 7x more developed than the US. Brazil was exploited, exploited by Portugal, by Spain, by England, by the US, by Holland. Experts say that if Brazil hadn't been exploited, itwould be 7x wealthier than the US. America was lucky not to be. It's a historical thing. You can't solve a country's problems that easily. And you still haven't answered me, do you take geography classes?

Why would I take geography classes? I have been finished with school for a while now. I have taken them, and I taught American geography for one school year.

Brazil would be 7 times wealthier than the U.S. if not for its exploitation in the distant past????? Man, your frustrated jealousy is really having you say some crazy stufff. Just be glad Brazil's greatly increased level of capitalism is in action now. Your hatred can chill out in coming decades, as long as the changes are permanent.

But I do admit that I am not all that interested in Brazil. Are you interested in the United States?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

The wealthiest, and the most ignorant. The most prejudicial, the most brainwashed. You're supporting war, what else do I have to say?

We just landed a remote control robot on Mars, have the Hubble telescope in operation, lead the world in medical advancements and other technology, have the best military in the world, invented the computer technology you are now using, and landed the first man on the moon. The idea that we are ignorant is just preposterous and lame. It makes you sound so incredibly jealous. If you want to hide your jealousy from now on, you are going to need to quit making such bizarre and absurd claims.

You know that we would support war if somebody tried to take over Brazil, and you know that you are damn lucky because of it.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Justifying, my bad. Turns out English is not my first. Do you happen to know Brazil's official language? I would bet my current clothes you don't. No wikipedia, please

Portugese. (not that I really give a shit)

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Did my best. Not sure it's enough to confront your ignorance. And you're welcome.

Oh, you know so much more than I know. Don't hurt me like that. Keep working on making your country as great as the great and world dominating (in so, so may ways) United States of America. I will be sure to make a point to think about Brazil for at least a few seconds every few years. Good luck with the new capitalism.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Why are you saying "my" and "yours"? Wouldn't they both be "ours"?

You understood what I meant.

Wow. Then, how should the Nazis, for example, have been stopped after they had taken over several countries in Europe?

So war efforts are sometimes justified?

War is never justified, and should be avoided at any cost. Still, I can't deny a country's right to defend from war.

None of them liked it, except the ones in power. Capitalism is economic freedom, which is everybody's right and the only fair economic system.

Oh, communism is also economic freedom. Theocracy can have economic freedom. Totalitarism can have economic freedom. Capitalism is nto economci freedom. capitalism is everyone struggling to be richer than one another.

But it belongs to the whole of the population, which includes me. If something belongs to you and not me, how is it the possession of the community as a whole? You are claiming that it belongs to you specifically. Are you not?

Stop bending what I said. All the country produces belongs to the population. But not under no special setting. The possessions should be divided qually between citizens. If you have more than everybody else by stealing, you're going against the communist system.

So my television is mine and your television is yours? Then they do not belong to the community as a whole. Joint ownership is what you described at first, and joint ownership means property is owned by every member of a group equally. There is no "mine" or "yours" with joint ownership.

Nah, stop bending what i say. It does belong to the community as a whole, as in, there is no discriminaiton in how much each person gets. That's what I mean. Stop making excuses. You're right now counterarguing something other than communism. Communism means everybody has equally the same. Communism means you can't go and take my TV, since you already have one. And, to think of it, your argument is so faulty in logic it hurts. If communism were as you say, and everything belongs to everyone, the television is also yours, isn't it? You wouldn't have the right to claim it for you.

My point is that communism is a total crock of shit. It sounds so all be brothers and share la la land on the surface, but it comes down to the government's ownership of everything.

No, it doesn't come down to the govermnet owning everything. That only happens in corrupted communism. Stop repeating arguments I've already countered.

You are still not telling me how. So.... how?

I know that corruption exists in every government, but some have much better safeguards than others.

The constitution rules the monarch's actions, and should the monarch break the rule, the nthe parliament should interfere. That's how it's supposed to work. If it doesn't work that way, it's technically not constitutional monarchy.

So, you are very ignorant about American culture, yet you trash it with great passion.

Am I so very ignorant? Why comes that accusation? That is strict ad hominem of you. I might not know 100% about american culture, but I surely know more about geography than you do.

Very good. Those are a few, except reggae originated in Jamaica. Didn't you say 60's rock sucks?

Yes, 60's rock sucks. Personal opinion.

A completely empty statement that we both know is not supported by anything and is totally absurd. However, it seems that you don't know my culture. You just know enough about it to be so jealous you can't stand it.

I know a lot about it because I'm well-informed. No, I'm not jealous of your crappiness, as I've alreayd said. You only say I'm jealous because you cannot bear the idea that someone doesn't like the US. I'm not jealous of your society. I'm not jealous of your ignorance, your supporting of war, your prejudice, your conservativeness. I have enough money to live a healthy life, thank you. I need no more.

And how was their culture so much better than ours? Specifically, how did those governments support their citizens better than we do? Don't forget about how rich our "poor" people are and how fat our homeless people are. You dodged that part of the question.

You dodged the part of my argument which says you can't compare different ages. At that time, the world was thought to be flat, people died of diseases we now have the cure for, there was no television, nor radio, nor all that crap. There wasn't your ubercapitalism. You dodged that bit. Don't campare different ages.

You said it belongs to the community as a whole. Which is it? It can't be both. You are in effect saying, "It is ours, but not yours."

Take a pack of wolves. They're about to hunt. They go and hunt in a group, each helping as they can. The manage to take down some prey. It belongs to the whole pack. Everyone goes and eats what they need. Nobody claims the prey for his own. That's communism explained for dummies.

Oh, so nobody's buying our "crap"? I was thinking they were.

Ignorant people are. You should be so very proud.

Then your answer is, "No." "They were about to." Oh, okay. They did not surrender even after the first attack, but you say they were about to BEFORE the first attack? That makes absolutely no sense. They fucked around about surrender because they were manipulative maggots. They did not surrender until after the second nuking. The SECOND one!

They were given no time to. Don't trust american soruces on that thing for goodness sake. They were about to retreat, then they get an uber attack, then they have to focus on solving things internally. Don't forget the two bombings were only 3 days apart. You're such a hypocrite.

That is a very vague description. I asked for short answers, not single words of vaguness. Make sure you see the article I posted a little while ago. The "new capitalism" of Brazil takes away a great deal of the state regulation that was inhibiting the Brazilian economy so bad. So Brazil is taking a turn toward a much greater degree of capitalism, which will benefit Brazil greatly as long as it remains.

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BRAZIL, STOP SAYING WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW!

Stop talking about Brazil already! You know nothing about it and that's clear! Brazil had suffered for like 20 years of military dictatorship! Communist groups were urgng to stop it, they were tortured and killed by the thousands! That article you provided is Cold War BULLSHIT.

Please explain.

Nothign hard to be explained here. America makes money through exploiting other countries. Through Imperialism, through cultural oppression. They basically control international economy to a point that doesn't let other countries grow. It's like tying a runner's shoes and watch him fall, as you speed forward. It's cheating.

No, the system we gave them turned everything around. They had an oppressive bullshit government and were nothing close to being the second wealthiest nation in the world. We gave them a way to maintain true capitalism. I hope Brazil will continue to do that too.

LOL. You know the reason why Japan didn't join WW1 but joined WW2? becausethey had been growing so much, they had technology, they had money to sponsor war, they had men. they were rapidly growing. They wouldn't have joined the war otherwise. You're so ignorant that you blame japan's growth on America. Stop making a complete and uttermost idiot of yourself.

That is not what you said earlier about our war with Iraq in its early days. Japan was actually a success. They surrendered, we rewrote their constitution, and look at where they are today.

Japan succeeded on its own. America only held it down. Japan succeeded because of their men's hard work, not because of two nuclear bombs.

Why would I take geography classes? I have been finished with school for a while now. I have taken them, and I taught American geography for one school year.

Oh, then your schooling system works, or you didn't take international geography. I am completely sure your educational system is filled with propaganda.

Brazil would be 7 times wealthier than the U.S. if not for its exploitation in the distant past????? Man, your frustrated jealousy is really having you say some crazy stufff. Just be glad Brazil's greatly increased level of capitalism is in action now. Your hatred can chill out in coming decades, as long as the changes are permanent.

Why am I still doing this? Lol. For the friggin last time: You don't know shit about Brazilian history. Take the American example: the Northern Colonies were for colonialisation only, and the Southern ones were exploratory. Now wonder why the northeast of the US is the wealthiest one?

It's all historical. I won't bother explaining it now because you're so damn ignorant it'll be useless. But a quick summary fits. Portugal came and exploited our gold, used slaves to make money in plantations, never bothered about giving the country the smallest conditions. Then there is the independence, but the rich class is so set apart from the rest of the population that they exploit everyone. Then there is a dictatorship, censorship, military dictatorship, always with the restrictive dominant class in control. Then the military dictatorship ends, and people are induced to buy things for the sake of the economy. The social inequality of Brazil is still so big, and made worse because of capitalism.

That's an incredibly short summary of our history.

But I do admit that I am not all that interested in Brazil. Are you interested in the United States?

Lol. if you're not interested in Brazil, then don't talk about it, since you don't know shit about it. I'm interested in the US since I feel I should learn about something before confronting it. It doesn't mean I agree with much of what the US does.

We just landed a remote control robot on Mars, have the Hubble telescope in operation, lead the world in medical advancements and other technology, have the best military in the world, invented the computer technology you are now using, and landed the first man on the moon. The idea that we are ignorant is just preposterous and lame. It makes you sound so incredibly jealous. If you want to hide your jealousy from now on, you are going to need to quit making such bizarre and absurd claims.

Stop repeating arguments. This is ludicrous.

I mean your country is not developed socially, and you do not know what "socially" means. Socially is not technologically, is not economically. It is socially.

You may go and fuck yourself about the jealousy. If one thing I'm not jealous of, it's of people supporting war.

You know that we would support war if somebody tried to take over Brazil, and you know that you are damn lucky because of it.

Get that bunch of crap out of your head. America is not the hero you think it is. That's propaganda which has been used on you. And you're stupid enough to not realise it.

Portugese. (not that I really give a shit)

Bingo, but if you don't give a shit, don't talk about Brazil.

Oh, you know so much more than I know. Don't hurt me like that. Keep working on making your country as great as the great and world dominating (in so, so may ways) United States of America. I will be sure to make a point to think about Brazil for at least a few seconds every few years. Good luck with the new capitalism.

New capitalism doesn't exist It's always been capitalist. Always the money interest.

You practically acknowledged your ignorance now. Ignorance is bliss, go for it. Die in your close-mindedness. It's not like I'd give a shit about an ignorant american anyway. But, for your own sake: you should get that "America is the world's hero" out of your head. That is political propaganda which you fall for so easily.

I'm over with this. You've just been repeating things for awhile. If you do come up with a very important, open-minded idea, PM me. Arguing with you is like hitting my wall against a head. Or something like that

Originally Posted by Kromoh

You understood what I meant.

No, your contradictions are very confusing.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

War is never justified, and should be avoided at any cost. Still, I can't deny a country's right to defend from war.

That too is a war effort, and sometimes self-defense has to be a preventative measure.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Oh, communism is also economic freedom. Theocracy can have economic freedom. Totalitarism can have economic freedom. Capitalism is nto economci freedom. capitalism is everyone struggling to be richer than one another.

It is not economic freedom when the government tells you that none of the shit you earn is literally yours.

Yes, capitalism is everyone struggling to be richer than everyone else. That is what makes things happen. Soccer is everybody struggling to score more than the other team, and it is what gets goals scored. If goals don't count for anything, nobody really gives a shit if goals are scored or not. Competition makes things happen, as evidenced by the world's wealthiest nations.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Stop bending what I said. All the country produces belongs to the population. But not under no special setting. The possessions should be divided qually between citizens. If you have more than everybody else by stealing, you're going against the communist system.

I am not the one bending what you said. You are. If everything belongs to the overall population, there is no stealing. What you are talking about now is socialism, and it too squashes the element of competition and makes for a very shitty economic system.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Nah, stop bending what i say. It does belong to the community as a whole, as in, there is no discriminaiton in how much each person gets. That's what I mean. Stop making excuses. You're right now counterarguing something other than communism. Communism means everybody has equally the same. Communism means you can't go and take my TV, since you already have one. And, to think of it, your argument is so faulty in logic it hurts. If communism were as you say, and everything belongs to everyone, the television is also yours, isn't it? You wouldn't have the right to claim it for you.

Socialism again.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

No, it doesn't come down to the govermnet owning everything. That only happens in corrupted communism. Stop repeating arguments I've already countered.

Corrupted communism is the only kind of communism there can ever be. My demonstration is only one example of why, and there are many.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

The constitution rules the monarch's actions, and should the monarch break the rule, the nthe parliament should interfere. That's how it's supposed to work. If it doesn't work that way, it's technically not constitutional monarchy.

You have said that several times, and it does not answer my question. WHAT ENFORCES THE CONSTITUTION OTHER THAN A PARLIAMENT THAT CAN BE PAID OFF AND THE SUPPOSED CONSCIENCE OF THE MONARCH??????????

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Am I so very ignorant? Why comes that accusation? That is strict ad hominem of you. I might not know 100% about american culture, but I surely know more about geography than you do.

You pulled that out of your ass, it was strictly ad hominem, and you are acting like you know so much about American culture while showing how little you know.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Yes, 60's rock sucks. Personal opinion.

Then why did you turn around and say it is something good in American culture?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I know a lot about it because I'm well-informed. No, I'm not jealous of your crappiness, as I've alreayd said. You only say I'm jealous because you cannot bear the idea that someone doesn't like the US. I'm not jealous of your society. I'm not jealous of your ignorance, your supporting of war, your prejudice, your conservativeness. I have enough money to live a healthy life, thank you. I need no more.

Face it. My country is the biggest deal on Earth, and you hate it. I laugh at you.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

You dodged the part of my argument which says you can't compare different ages. At that time, the world was thought to be flat, people died of diseases we now have the cure for, there was no television, nor radio, nor all that crap. There wasn't your ubercapitalism. You dodged that bit. Don't campare different ages.

Just tell me what was so fucking good about it. Can you do that? There must be something you think is superior about it, since you are the one making that crazy claim. Why was it such an awesome form of government for its time?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Take a pack of wolves. They're about to hunt. They go and hunt in a group, each helping as they can. The manage to take down some prey. It belongs to the whole pack. Everyone goes and eats what they need. Nobody claims the prey for his own. That's communism explained for dummies.

Think about 300,000 wolves living on the same land and what a failure communism and socialism would be. That is is real capitalism explained for a Brazilian dummy.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Ignorant people are. You should be so very proud.

Most of the world buys our stuff. But I am even more proud of Brazil because... uh, I will try to make up something.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

They were given no time to. Don't trust american soruces on that thing for goodness sake. They were about to retreat, then they get an uber attack, then they have to focus on solving things internally. Don't forget the two bombings were only 3 days apart. You're such a hypocrite.

American sources like... both of my granfathers and other people in my military family, and the reason the bombs were built in the first place, and the fact that the Japanese did not surrender until after the second bombing? Okay, I'll take your word for it instead. But why was three days not long enough to surrender?

Hypocrite in what way? That was a bizarre ad hominem. You are such a buffalo molester.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT BRAZIL, STOP SAYING WHAT YOU DON'T KNOW!

What? Your state regulations were screwing up your financial growth, just as I figured. You should be against that sort of thing and want to try real capitalism so you can be like the world's wealthiest nations.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Stop talking about Brazil already! You know nothing about it and that's clear! Brazil had suffered for like 20 years of military dictatorship! Communist groups were urgng to stop it, they were tortured and killed by the thousands! That article you provided is Cold War BULLSHIT.

You should try real capitalism.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Nothign hard to be explained here. America makes money through exploiting other countries. Through Imperialism, through cultural oppression. They basically control international economy to a point that doesn't let other countries grow. It's like tying a runner's shoes and watch him fall, as you speed forward. It's cheating.

That is vague and absurd. We are the reason the second and third richest nations in the world grew financially, and China is in fourth place now because they became so much more capitalistic. We provide business that helps all countries who are not our enemies, such as Cuba. We stimulate the world economy more than any other nation. You know that, so stop lying.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

LOL. You know the reason why Japan didn't join WW1 but joined WW2? becausethey had been growing so much, they had technology, they had money to sponsor war, they had men. they were rapidly growing. They wouldn't have joined the war otherwise. You're so ignorant that you blame japan's growth on America. Stop making a complete and uttermost idiot of yourself.

They had a reason to be in WWII and not WWI. Capitalism, real capitalism, makes nations grow. Look at a list of the world's wealthiest nations. We made Japan more capitalistic, and of course that helped them economically. Duuuuuhhhhhhh.....

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Japan succeeded on its own. America only held it down. Japan succeeded because of their men's hard work, not because of two nuclear bombs.

What made the men want to work hard?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Oh, then your schooling system works, or you didn't take international geography. I am completely sure your educational system is filled with propaganda.

What possessed you to pull that bizarre ad hominem out of your ass?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Why am I still doing this? Lol. For the friggin last time: You don't know shit about Brazilian history. Take the American example: the Northern Colonies were for colonialisation only, and the Southern ones were exploratory. Now wonder why the northeast of the US is the wealthiest one?

Everything I said also applies to the South. We are just more agricultural here, on average, because of the weather and history, and the North is more big city oriented. The differences are not huge. It is still the case that our "poor" are doing very well and our homeless people are fat.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

It's all historical. I won't bother explaining it now because you're so damn ignorant it'll be useless. But a quick summary fits. Portugal came and exploited our gold, used slaves to make money in plantations, never bothered about giving the country the smallest conditions. Then there is the independence, but the rich class is so set apart from the rest of the population that they exploit everyone. Then there is a dictatorship, censorship, military dictatorship, always with the restrictive dominant class in control. Then the military dictatorship ends, and people are induced to buy things for the sake of the economy. The social inequality of Brazil is still so big, and made worse because of capitalism.

You should try real capitalism.

How many degrees do you have?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Lol. if you're not interested in Brazil, then don't talk about it, since you don't know shit about it. I'm interested in the US since I feel I should learn about something before confronting it. It doesn't mean I agree with much of what the US does.

I am interested in the well being of Brazil and in encouraging true capitalism, and in the hottest of Brazilian women, but I guess it stops about there. However, you have your life wrapped up in my country.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Stop repeating arguments. This is ludicrous.

Stop getting defeated by arguments. This is ludicrous.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I mean your country is not developed socially, and you do not know what "socially" means. Socially is not technologically, is not economically. It is socially.

You are making that hollow statement again, even after I talked about music, food, architecture, etc. I even posted videos. Keep squirming. You have no idea how much I am enjoying this.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

You may go and fuck yourself about the jealousy. If one thing I'm not jealous of, it's of people supporting war.

Stop acting so jealous, and go pretend you are fucking your imaginary brother like you said you wanted to.

Don't forget that you said some war efforts are justifiable, even though you also said the complete opposite.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Get that bunch of crap out of your head. America is not the hero you think it is. That's propaganda which has been used on you. And you're stupid enough to not realise it.

You know damn well that what I said is the truth.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Bingo, but if you don't give a shit, don't talk about Brazil.

I have my limits.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

New capitalism doesn't exist It's always been capitalist. Always the money interest.

two words: state regulations

Originally Posted by Kromoh

You practically acknowledged your ignorance now. Ignorance is bliss, go for it. Die in your close-mindedness. It's not like I'd give a shit about an ignorant american anyway. But, for your own sake: you should get that "America is the world's hero" out of your head. That is political propaganda which you fall for so easily.

My, how you talk without saying anything intelligent.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I'm over with this. You've just been repeating things for awhile. If you do come up with a very important, open-minded idea, PM me. Arguing with you is like hitting my wall against a head. Or something like that

If you quit, I will too, and then you can crawl out of the corner I backed you into. Here are some videos about American ignorance and lack of culture for you to enjoy:

Ignorance:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=6hwVFqkoJvE&feature=related

http://youtube.com/watch?v=RMINSD7MmT4

http://youtube.com/watch?v=QR0-hnvT7Dg

http://youtube.com/watch?v=-8wuGRlRZqk

http://youtube.com/watch?v=MZISJ6ijUYY

Lack of culture:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=eYKY2lpxMg8

http://youtube.com/watch?v=XnamP4-M9ko

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uixC2w5HUHY

http://youtube.com/watch?v=jexKDOsgCus

http://youtube.com/watch?v=wDdW35Off74

http://youtube.com/watch?v=kJkWG16gh4E

http://youtube.com/results?search_qu...g&search_type=

http://youtube.com/watch?v=i_aD1rA_p5c

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

No, your contradictions are very confusing.

Pointless argument.

That too is a war effort, and sometimes self-defense has to be a preventative measure.

Pointless argument.

It is not economic freedom when the government tells you that none of the shit you earn is literally yours.

That's not what communiskm is about.

Yes, capitalism is everyone struggling to be richer than everyone else. That is what makes things happen. Soccer is everybody struggling to score more than the other team, and it is what gets goals scored. If goals don't count for anything, nobody really gives a shit if goals are scored or not. Competition makes things happen, as evidenced by the world's wealthiest nations.

Well, you must not forget that capitalism allows players to cheat and to sabbotage the other team, all for the sake of more goals.

I am not the one bending what you said. You are. If everything belongs to the overall population, there is no stealing. What you are talking about now is socialism, and it too squashes the element of competition and makes for a very shitty economic system.

Socialism is the first step into communism.

Socialism again.

See above.

Corrupted communism is the only kind of communism there can ever be. My demonstration is only one example of why, and there are many.

... see my previous posts.

You have said that several times, and it does not answer my question. WHAT ENFORCES THE CONSTITUTION OTHER THAN A PARLIAMENT THAT CAN BE PAID OFF AND THE SUPPOSED CONSCIENCE OF THE MONARCH??????????

What makes sure company leaders don't make money at the cost of others?

You pulled that out of your ass, it was strictly ad hominem, and you are acting like you know so much about American culture while showing how little you know.

I was just doign exactly what you did.

And I do know abotu american culture, You don't know about brazilian one.

Then why did you turn around and say it is something good in American culture?

It's not that good to be so much sponsored. America sold the 60's rock. That's my point.

Face it. My country is the biggest deal on Earth, and you hate it. I laugh at you.

What I said proves true. You cannot bear the idea that I dislike your country.

Just tell me what was so fucking good about it. Can you do that? There must be something you think is superior about it, since you are the one making that crazy claim. Why was it such an awesome form of government for its time?

Don't compare ages.

Think about 300,000 wolves living on the same land and what a failure communism and socialism would be. That is is real capitalism explained for a Brazilian dummy.

Just takes likl organisation.

Most of the world buys our stuff. But I am even more proud of Brazil because... uh, I will try to make up something.

..

American sources like... both of my granfathers and other people in my military family, and the reason the bombs were built in the first place, and the fact that the Japanese did not surrender until after the second bombing? Okay, I'll take your word for it instead. But why was three days not long enough to surrender?

Lol sources which were influenced by propaganda.

Hypocrite in what way? That was a bizarre ad hominem. You are such a buffalo molester.

Doesn't chnage the fact that you are.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

What countries are you talking about? By efficent you mean the nations wealth? What about the people?

This form of government doesn't exist and has never existed in this world. I never said it did.

By efficient I mean no crime. Everyone has a job. A strong military. No feelings of resentment. Freedom of speech. A strong authority. Oportunities for advancement within society. It's perfect... you just need to be able to let go of wanting absolute freedom. Absolute freedom is never going to happen. What you give up in freedom gives you so much more back.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Pointless argument.

I thought you said you were through.

It is not a pointless argument. You contradicted yourself all over the place. That is relevant to the logic of your message.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Pointless argument.

No, it is not a pointless argument. You said many times, and in one paragraph many times in a row, that war is never justified. Yet you said in some other places that war efforts are justified when they are done in self-defense, and you said the war in Iraq was justified in the beginning. More contradictions.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

That's not what communiskm is about.

Communism is too about community ownership, and you even said it was several times, though you kept contradicting yourself.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Well, you must not forget that capitalism allows players to cheat and to sabbotage the other team, all for the sake of more goals.

It does not "allow" cheating. Cheating is illegal under the world's top capitalist systems. Cheating happens sometimes illegally, but that is true of every system. Communism is cheating by definition.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Socialism is the first step into communism.

They are still not the same thing.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

... see my previous posts.

I did, and you never answered that repeated specific question.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

What makes sure company leaders don't make money at the cost of others?

That does not answer my question, and my answer to you is the law. The law is not fool proof, but we have laws, enforced laws, that provide a great deal of protection. Your constitutional monarchy would not have that.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

I was just doign exactly what you did.

And I do know abotu american culture, You don't know about brazilian one.

You kept saying what you did not know about American culture. I haven't said shit about Brazilian culture except that a lot of the women are hot. I did say a few things about the Brazilian economic system, and obviously it has historically not been capitalistic enough.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

It's not that good to be so much sponsored. America sold the 60's rock. That's my point.

I know a ton of people, and people in different parts of the world, who believe that it is the best music there has ever been. Even if that were not the case, at least we have a culture that can sell itself to the rest of the world. I think that is really impressive culture. You do too.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

What I said proves true. You cannot bear the idea that I dislike your country.

I only talk like that to people who act like you. I think it's hilarious that you are so jealous of my country and act the way you do about it. When people get as insulting as you do about my country, I know why they are doing it, and I will aim for the weak spot every time.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Don't compare ages.

Don't dodge questions repeatedly. You said constitutional monarchy is the greatest form of government there is, and then you named some that have existed. So I of course asked the very logical question of what was so good about the ones that existed. Can you answer that?

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Just takes likl organisation.

Wolves have it in them to work for a small group for the sake of maintaining the group. It is how they evolved. Humans don't have it in them to work all day five days a week just for the benefit of the entire nation, unless they are fighting a war or something, which they also get paid for doing. You said you agree with that.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Lol sources which were influenced by propaganda.

That's a pretty convenient copout.

Originally Posted by Kromoh

Doesn't chnage the fact that you are.

It wouldn't change the fact that you have not explained your bizarre ad hominem, buffalo molester.

Originally Posted by Pensive Patrick

This form of government doesn't exist and has never existed in this world. I never said it did.

By efficient I mean no crime. Everyone has a job. A strong military. No feelings of resentment. Freedom of speech. A strong authority. Oportunities for advancement within society. It's perfect... you just need to be able to let go of wanting absolute freedom. Absolute freedom is never going to happen. What you give up in freedom gives you so much more back.

What you give up in freedom gives much more back..?

You obviously haven't been to America.

Originally Posted by Dreamworld

What you give up in freedom gives much more back..?

You obviously haven't been to America.

I was referring to my society, not America.