Thread: Why Obama shall win;

Difficulty? its not difficult, its impossible.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Difficulty? its not difficult, its impossible.

So 60,000 people can't built one atomic bomb? With it kill 200,000+ people?

I don't think that you can quantify terrorism. Its a concept: Jihad against the Infidels. Anyone who agrees with the message can join. In Britain at the moment we are having a big problem with homegrown terrorism, British terrorists. Brainwahing is the weapon of this terrorism.

It's especially easy to brainwash people when they have a scapegoat: UK and US war's and occupation are the scapegoats.

Leave their land, they have no one left to blame and they cannot further brainwash more people.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Leave their land, they have no one left to blame and they cannot further brainwash more people.

The brainwashing has been going on for thousands of years. If they were not brainwashed, they never would have been so religiously offended that we are in the Middle East. It reminds me of the scene in the Robert Redford movie Jeremiah Johnson. His character and the guy who played Mr. Bentley on The Jeffersons cross some land considered sacred by the local Indians. After they cross the land, Jeremiah goes home and finds his wife and son murdered. The Indians killed him for walking through their vast wilderness. Now imagine those Indians writing a letter saying he better stop drinking alcohol and better stop his stock trade and better live by the Indian Woo Woo Law or something just as crazy or they are going to keep killing people. Now imagine them trying very hard to get their hands on weapons of mass destruction and having meetings with dangerous dictators who have them or are using their government resources to create them. When that happens, their entire culture needs to be pulled out of the stone age so they can have at least some reality education and intelligence. You don't simply stay off their "sacred" land and expect them to stop being a danger to the civilized world.

People are often brainwashed here as well. Propaganda is alive and well in this country, and used all the time. Which is a big reason for such irrational fears so many people have.

Correctdamundo! (sp?)

Originally Posted by Alric

People are often brainwashed here as well. Propaganda is alive and well in this country, and used all the time. Which is a big reason for such irrational fears so many people have.

Live in Syria for two weeks, and then come back and tell me which you think is more extreme, if you are still alive.

Everybody, make sure you see this video...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM

The propaganda here is as extreme as it is there, only its more subtle and its not shoved down your throat.

The propaganda here is actually more effective in brain-washing, just look at america...there are nearly 50% of americans who will vote for mccain, they are brainwashed into thinking mccain will keep us safe, and that obama will let us get attacked....

people here are more brainwashed then terrorists in my opinion.

I know you won't like my opinion but, thats just what I believe, I believe we are headed towards fascism and globalized one world government, and THAT scares me to death alot more then a group of hoodlums with c4 and ak-47's.

Originally Posted by guerilla

The propaganda here is as extreme as it is there, only its more subtle and its not shoved down your throat.

The propaganda here is actually more effective in brain-washing, just look at america...there are nearly 50% of americans who will vote for mccain, they are brainwashed into thinking mccain will keep us safe, and that obama will let us get attacked....

people here are more brainwashed then terrorists in my opinion.

I know you won't like my opinion but, thats just what I believe, I believe we are headed towards fascism and globalized one world government, and THAT scares me to death alot more then a group of hoodlums with c4 and ak-47's.

Supporting McCain is a matter of being brainwashed? Then why do so many of us disagree with him on so many things? It's not like too many people are saying, "Yes! Finally a great candidate!" We just think Obama would be a disaster, which he would be.

Make sure you see that video I posted. I know you didn't have time to just then. Also, I bet you would be scared to live in Iran or Syria for any number of days. That is a legitimate fear.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Supporting McCain is a matter of being brainwashed? Then why do so many of us disagree with him on so many things? It's not like too many people are saying, "Yes! Finally a great candidate!" We just think Obama would be a disaster, which he would be.

Make sure you see that video I posted. I know you didn't have time to just then. Also, I bet you would be scared to live in Iran or Syria for any number of days. That is a legitimate fear.

Negative propaganda is just as powerful as positive. If you actually stop to think about what you really know of how Obama would do, you may realize that you have been influenced more than you think. Have you studied his voting history? Do you know anyone from Illinois who had him as their senator?

Oh I agree, those countries are terrifying, but im starting to get scared of this country too. I will watch the video later on my pc, this work pc has no speakers.

I guess I jumped to conclusions over mccain but your right, obama would be bad, but so would mccain, to me they are both terrible choices...as most elections present us with terrible candidates.

Originally Posted by Xaqaria

Negative propaganda is just as powerful as positive. If you actually stop to think about what you really know of how Obama would do, you may realize that you have been influenced more than you think. Have you studied his voting history? Do you know anyone from Illinois who had him as their senator?

I know about his lack of understanding of foreign policy, his attitude toward anti-American terrorists, and where he went to church for twenty years, among other things.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

Live in Syria for two weeks, and then come back and tell me which you think is more extreme, if you are still alive.

Everybody, make sure you see this video...

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ocU5x_03MDM

Doesn't excuse the fact why there is propaganda in this country, a lot of it in nationalism efforts for the war. That is why you get people like guerilla who are mad, like most of the people in this country..

Damn right im mad as hell!

To tell the truth, McCain would be a really great president, except for the fact that he wants to stay in iraq. I agree with most of his policies, but he can't lower taxes, stay in iraq, and keep america stable all at the same time, like he wants too. Also just the fact that his ignorance is going to cause thousands more deaths of our soldiers. I would vote for obama just to get those americans out of death's way in iraq.

Originally Posted by dreamsinmymynd

To tell the truth, McCain would be a really great president, except for the fact that he wants to stay in iraq. I agree with most of his policies, but he can't lower taxes, stay in iraq, and keep america stable all at the same time, like he wants too. Also just the fact that his ignorance is going to cause thousands more deaths of our soldiers. I would vote for obama just to get those americans out of death's way in iraq.

The thing is that Obama woudnn't just jump into office and suddenly bring the troops home. He said he wants to "start bringing" them home. He would take a very long time to get them all home, and in fact, he would not even finish that job in an entire eight year presidency. He is creating smoke and mirrors, just like Hillary Clinton was doing with this issue. They both know just what a disaster it would be if all of our soldiers suddenyly came home. They know what would happen here, and they know what would happen in the Middle East, which would cause even more trouble here in the long run. They are well aware of it. They are just talking babble to make it sound like they would end the war, which they would not. It would be political suicide. Do you remember when the Democratic Congress was talking like Obama? And what have they done? That is what I am talking about.

Originally Posted by Universal Mind

The thing is that Obama woudnn't just jump into office and suddenly bring the troops home. He said he wants to "start bringing" them home. He would take a very long time to get them all home, and in fact, he would not even finish that job in an entire eight year presidency. He is creating smoke and mirrors, just like Hillary Clinton was doing with this issue. They both know just what a disaster it would be if all of our soldiers suddenyly came home. They know what would happen here, and they know what would happen in the Middle East, which would cause even more trouble here in the long run. They are well aware of it. They are just talking babble to make it sound like they would end the war, which they would not. It would be political suicide. Do you remember when the Democratic Congress was talking like Obama? And what have they done? That is what I am talking about.

Correct, he claims he will leave iraq, that won't happen overnight or overyear. He will leave a residual force of about 50,000 if I'm not mistaken

If one thing is true about politics, is that one party will smite the other for votes, but will not keep their promises.

The 2 parties don't care about you, or me, they only care about us when election's come around, so they can remain in office, thats why they campaign so hard.

Year after year of election we hear the same stupid promises from both parties, and neither deliver.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Correct, he claims he will leave iraq, that won't happen overnight or overyear. He will leave a residual force of about 50,000 if I'm not mistaken

If one thing is true about politics, is that one party will smite the other for votes, but will not keep their promises.

The 2 parties don't care about you, or me, they only care about us when election's come around, so they can remain in office, thats why they campaign so hard.

Year after year of election we hear the same stupid promises from both parties, and neither deliver.

That is true. We had a Republican president with a Republican Congress for several years, and what the Hell did they do with that opportunity? They did pretty much nothing with it. I am glad they did not do all of the things they talk about doing. That would be pretty freaky. But it is still the case that they proved just how full of talk they are. It was their big chance to prove all of these political theories they preached for so many decades. They always blamed the lack of changes on either the Democratic Congress or the Democratic president. When they finally got their big chance, they just stood their with their heads up their asses.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Correct, he claims he will leave iraq, that won't happen overnight or overyear. He will leave a residual force of about 50,000 if I'm not mistaken

If one thing is true about politics, is that one party will smite the other for votes, but will not keep their promises.

The 2 parties don't care about you, or me, they only care about us when election's come around, so they can remain in office, thats why they campaign so hard.

Year after year of election we hear the same stupid promises from both parties, and neither deliver.

I think that is the best argument for Obama out there. He is the first candidate for anything in our government who I can see following through with those promises. The fact that he doesn't make promises that he can't keep (like running out of Iraq with no regard for the state of the country we've destroyed...and clearly not for the reasons that were given to the American public) is the reason why people can trust that he will keep the promises he does make. He is a man, not a party... I think the primary showed that...and if not, then his campaign (which has consistently taken the high road in a way that no recent campaign has) will.