Thread: I'm not ashamed to admit I hate feminists.

the feminism I hate is the feminism that thinks by transforming women into men you make women equal. when all it does in reality is disgrace everything it means to be female, a woman in general

its gotten to the point where many girls out there would be ashamed to be pregnant, would be ashamed to be a mom

feminism should have done the opposite, by raising the feminine up. until a young mother can go to high school proud, being congratulated by peers and classmates - the feminine will never equal. the shame of being a female, is the result of modern feminism, telling us we should be ashamed of these things.

once upon a times things were different. a pregnant teen would have been treated like a goddess!!

Originally Posted by juroara

once upon a times things were different. a pregnant teen would have been treated like a goddess!!

A pregnant teen isn't a good thing, you know.

Originally Posted by Grod

A pregnant teen isn't a good thing, you know.

cultural bias

right now the pregnant teen is a disgusting sight. what this creates is depression, anxiety and fear in a pregnant teen, creating much unnecessary suffering. because the pregnant teen is such a disgusting thing, even her own parents could disown her, as many pregnant teens have been disowned by their parents.

creating more suffering.

she is then further disowned by friends, peers, teachers and so on.

and then left to make a decision whether to have an abortion or not, creating more mental agony if she was originally against abortion.

do you know how many pregnant teens, who go through it all, are actually HAPPY to have a child? do you know how many actually LOVE their children, and don't regret having a child at all? there are many loved children right now that came from pregnant teens. it took my cousin years of suffering to say it, but finally said it. and she believes her daughter was the best thing that ever happened to her.

she had her child at age 15. she loves her child. her child is smart, and talented, and is not suffering at all from having a young mother. she's social, friendly, gets A's and is good at sports. she is not some loser reject that people imagine a child would be being raised under such conditions.

now. lets go imagine the feminine was raised.

lets imagine that being pregnant was a beautiful thing. not something to be ashamed of or feared of.

what it does, is not create more teen pregnancies, but actually less teen pregnancies. because if every female out there thought her body was like a goddess, she is less likely to share her body with a stupid boy that isn't worthy to touch her.

when a female has a respect for her body, respect for the feminine, and all that it means to be female - she is not going to be whoring around the place. problem, solved.

But you said that a pregnant teen would be seen as a goddess. I assume this would be higher on the diety ladder than just a teen's body because a pregnant woman is more womany than a normal woman. I get all of the goddesses confused. So it WOULD increase teen pregnancies. This would increase preteen pregnancies. This would increase the population jillion fold (I did the math)...just what we need. I bet 99% of all teen pregnancies are regretted. Your example is from (I would assume) a wealthy person with a supporting family. Most teen pregnancies come from broke ass people who can't support the child and the father leaves. The ones who can support a child even after "years of suffering" I bet enjoy having a kid. I bet almost all teen mother love their kid. The child's life and the woman's life still generally suck, though. It is genetic that women want to have children. So after years of suffering, she felt the desire to have a child (probably genetically points to when we are SUPPOSED to have kids) and is happy with it.

Women should get to feel respect for their bodies. This media stuff sucks for them. If that ever gets solved, hopefully then women will feel better about themselves.

Here is my solution which will suck for guys. Women need to go on a beauty strike. Every woman in the world and especially in the media needs to stop making themselves look good. With all of this beautifying, you women are competing against eachother. Then men won't be as tempted to abuse because you won't be flaunting all of your hot stuff in our faces. Then after a generation, all women will be viewed as beautiful. Of course because I came up with the idea, women can dress sexy for me.

Originally Posted by juroara

cultural bias

right now the pregnant teen is a disgusting sight. what this creates is depression, anxiety and fear in a pregnant teen, creating much unnecessary suffering. because the pregnant teen is such a disgusting thing, even her own parents could disown her, as many pregnant teens have been disowned by their parents.

creating more suffering.

she is then further disowned by friends, peers, teachers and so on.

and then left to make a decision whether to have an abortion or not, creating more mental agony if she was originally against abortion.

do you know how many pregnant teens, who go through it all, are actually HAPPY to have a child? do you know how many actually LOVE their children, and don't regret having a child at all? there are many loved children right now that came from pregnant teens. it took my cousin years of suffering to say it, but finally said it. and she believes her daughter was the best thing that ever happened to her.

she had her child at age 15. she loves her child. her child is smart, and talented, and is not suffering at all from having a young mother. she's social, friendly, gets A's and is good at sports. she is not some loser reject that people imagine a child would be being raised under such conditions.

now. lets go imagine the feminine was raised.

lets imagine that being pregnant was a beautiful thing. not something to be ashamed of or feared of.

what it does, is not create more teen pregnancies, but actually less teen pregnancies. because if every female out there thought her body was like a goddess, she is less likely to share her body with a stupid boy that isn't worthy to touch her.

when a female has a respect for her body, respect for the feminine, and all that it means to be female - she is not going to be whoring around the place. problem, solved.

A lot of that is nonsense, but an equal amount is right.

Let's start off with the negatives. What would happen if men went around treating themselves as gods? You get people like Hitler. I'm not saying that that'd happen if a woman treated herself as a goddess, but it takes a lot of conceit to treat yourself like that and view yourself that highly above others. But, the part I do agree with is that women should respect themselves more. If you don't want men to act like pigs around you, don't where revealing clothes, and go find all the other women in the world who sell their bodies to men in return for money. If you don't like how many of today's men treat women as objects, then at least respect yourselves first.

Secondly, people typically don't see pregnancy itself as a disgusting thing, and see it how you said. As something beautiful. What happens in teen pregnancies is people see how this girl and whatever boy she was messing around with were being irresponsible. It is not cultural bias, it really is irresponsible. At that point in a person's life, they haven't had a full education, and they don't have a good enough job to support a family, let alone themselves. That's not only unfair to the people around them who have to help them out, but unfair to the baby as well.

Originally Posted by i make it rain

woman in the world and especially in the media needs to stop making themselves look good...Then after a generation, all women will be viewed as beautiful.

Something wrong with this.

lol

...except Hitler didn't try to help Jews...especially at the expense of his own people...and he didn't really give the Jews joke advice, he just killed them. But yeah, outside of all that, I am Hitler.

So here are all my options. Oppose what you say because it is mostly nonsense and get yelled at. I can admit there is a problem and add a solution that is 95% joke to make my post sound less mean and be called Hitler. Does anyone else see the problem here? Men can't do anything to help feminism because women don't let them(except Guerilla). This leads us to dislike feminism which only keeps the cycle going and hurts the progression of feminism.

Does anyone here feel like women are fit to assume combat jobs in the armed forces?

Originally Posted by snoop

A lot of that is nonsense, but an equal amount is right.

Let's start off with the negatives. What would happen if men went around treating themselves as gods? You get people like Hitler. I'm not saying that that'd happen if a woman treated herself as a goddess, but it takes a lot of conceit to treat yourself like that and view yourself that highly above others. But, the part I do agree with is that women should respect themselves more. If you don't want men to act like pigs around you, don't where revealing clothes, and go find all the other women in the world who sell their bodies to men in return for money. If you don't like how many of today's men treat women as objects, then at least respect yourselves first.

Secondly, people typically don't see pregnancy itself as a disgusting thing, and see it how you said. As something beautiful. What happens in teen pregnancies is people see how this girl and whatever boy she was messing around with were being irresponsible. It is not cultural bias, it really is irresponsible. At that point in a person's life, they haven't had a full education, and they don't have a good enough job to support a family, let alone themselves. That's not only unfair to the people around them who have to help them out, but unfair to the baby as well.

if you research the religious views behind the Goddess, and the religious views behind God, you get two very different worlds.

the Goddess is not a figure sitting on a cloud, who thinks she is better than everyone else. The Goddess, traditionally, as been a very earthly being - who is apart of everything, and is not on a pedestal.

The God figure on the other hand, has traditionally seen itself as supreme and better than everyone else, far away up on a cloud. There is no problem if men see themselves as God. Many men today do. But these men are practitioner of the I AM movement, and the I AM movement presents a much more feminine view of God. The God that is in all people, not a God in a pedestal.

Hitler actually, is a good example, of what happens when the feminine is crushed, trampled and raped. When the male ego runs rampant without the feminine to balance it, it can delude itself into thinking he is better than everyone.

the female inequality problem is also the problem of the male ego. they are one and the same, really, yin and yang. When one has shoved its head up its arse, so has the other. Which is why the most submissive women end up with the most abusive of husbands.

when you raise up the feminine to its rightful status, you also help out the masculine and help prevent it from falling into its own ego issues.

I understand what you mean, regarding teenage pregnancy. all too well. but I am trying to make a few points, regarding teen pregnancy and raising the feminine:

1. teenagers in general lack respect for their own bodies. female teenagers generally HATE their own bodies and many HATE that they are the ones that get pregnant and suffer and not men. this mentally, helps NO ONE. it creates a poor attitude towards women. it creates a poor attitude towards men. and it creates sexual problems as well. as these teenage girls like to imagine they are the SAME as boys, and they can have all the careless sex in the world and not think about pregnancy. her poor sexual activity, is the self denial of female-hood.

2. who does it benefit to treat a pregnant teen as something disgraceful, disgusting and shameful? does it benefit the pregnant teen? does it benefit her parents? does it benefit her unborn child? does it benefit anyone at school? It benefits no one other than those who want to feel they are above her.

3. FEAR TACTICS DO NOT WORK WITH TEENS. they don't. they just don't. you can't tell a teen be afraid of pregnancy to stop it anymore you can tell a teen be afraid of sex to stop it. using a fear tactic such as "BEING PREGNANT WILL RUIN YOUR LIFE" is what will ruin her life more than anything. because if she does get pregnant, then she feels she has ruined her life. And this is where the suicidal attempts can kick in. her life has changed, yes. it doesn't mean its ruined. fear tactics are horrible. education needs to be well rounded, showing both BAD and GOOD.

4. the fear tactics instead creates a culture where the pregnant teen is this disgusting thing. again, this view point benefits no one. it makes young females feel, that being female is a burden. that being female means you suffer, and the guy gets away from it. this fear tactic, creates the scenario in which the female disrespects her body, herself. and is JEALOUS of men. and helps germinate the scenario of ultimate self-denial, where she can have sex carelessly and never worry, a desire to be like a guy.

5. the cultural viewpoint of the pregnant teen that we carry, is circular. it creates MORE PREGNANT TEENS!!!

what happens when you raise the feminine to a godly status??? the whole picture changes!

1. females will not be in denial anymore that they are female. they will be aware, from an early age. I am the one who carries the child for nine months. they will see this as a beautiful thing. not something to dread, or attempt suicide over. or hell, murder. *many teenagers have murdered their newly born child out of absolute FEAR*

2. when the young female views pregnancy as a beautiful thing, she respects her body more. she respects herself more. this odd relationship of jealousy over men, is gone. the desire to have careless sex, gone.

3. the raising of the feminine to a godly status, changes the relationship children have with sex. giggles and all immaturity aside, they are going to know and about sex at a much earlier age. with the feminine, comes the idea that sex should be beautiful, meaningful, adult.

4. to further explain, when the feminine is not raised to its rightful status, sex is an animalistic drive. meaningless. this thing you can't control. this thing you just do. it is a denial of the feminine, and all that happens to her because of sex. sex forever changes meaning to a teen that gets pregnant. she will finally understand what sex is really all about. and this meaning, is feminine. it is hold up by the feminine. not the masculine. in a masculine world with no respect for the feminine, women are just sex toys. in the feminine world, SEX HAS MEANING.

5. sex becomes special, a right even into woman-hood. can it still happen as it teen? sure. but hopefully this time with someone she feels she loves. Immature...sure! But, because of who she feels about herself, how she feels about her female-hood, she is going to be more mentally ready to be pregnant than even many female adults today. does it mean lifes a piece of cake now? no. but there would be a lot less suffering.

6. and in the female world where sex is special, who has any right to call her a slut.

last words

the feminine and the masculine exist both, in a single person. I am not saying that sex is meaningful to females. I am saying that in the FEMININE, it holds meaning. men can have this feminine aspect. women can lack it. raising the real feminine, affects both men and women.

and finally, the idea that the child suffers is really based on nothing. by the time the child is even old enough to carry complex concepts like "my mommy is a slut", the childs mother will be an adult. and by that time, she would have no one to blame for not having a job or an education. there are colleges that toss money at young mothers, they can practically go in for free! NO EXCUSE.

okay. so by the time the child is old enough to suffer from teenage pregnancy, THE MOTHER IS NOT A TEEN ANYMORE. she will be a full fledge adult. whether or not she is a loser, has nothing to do with her teenage pregnancy.

I honestly can't tell if I agree or disagree with you.

Some of your points seem completely wrong to me, and others right, and some with the right idea but still wrong. I'll leave it at that. At least you made a conscious effort to explain the whole thing and be somewhat fair.

Originally Posted by snoop

I honestly can't tell if I agree or disagree with you.

Some of your points seem completely wrong to me, and others right, and some with the right idea but still wrong. I'll leave it at that. At least you made a conscious effort to explain the whole thing and be somewhat fair.

Agreed.

Originally Posted by Seismosaur

And as I said: Women will never "run the world[Society]" because humans are patriarchal.

Actually, not all human societies are patriarchal. There have been a few exceptions. And the way things are going we'll probably end up with equalitarian societies.

Originally Posted by guerilla

Aren't women allowed in combat yet?
(im not sure of that subject thats why I ask)

There are women in armies of many countries these days. I assume they have the same task as men. As a curiosity, there were also female fighter pilots during WWII.

Originally Posted by juroara

its gotten to the point where many girls out there would be ashamed to be pregnant, would be ashamed to be a mom
(...)
once upon a times things were different. a pregnant teen would have been treated like a goddess!!

Where I live, it's not a matter of shame, it's a matter of sense - teens rarely have the means to support children. Also, depending on the teen's age and physical development, it might not be healthy.
I think those times were really a LONG time ago. These past 2000 years or more, most pregnant (single) girls have been in serious trouble.

Originally Posted by i make it rain

Then men won't be as tempted to abuse because you won't be flaunting all of your hot stuff in our faces.

Originally Posted by snoop

But, the part I do agree with is that women should respect themselves more. If you don't want men to act like pigs around you, don't where revealing clothes, and go find all the other women in the world who sell their bodies to men in return for money.

The next guy posting will be saying it's women's fault they get abused\raped\whatever... Always did love that lame sort of argument.
FYI, boys - if a guy behaves like a pig, he behaves like a pig no matter what. You can be the ugliest girl on Earth wearing a bag over your head down to your feet and the bastard will still try to jump you. I'm not just saying so, I know so.
It's real funny that nobody gives a second thought to the fact that thousands of animal species on the planet have limbs to walk, but women get accused of just about everything for having legs (and let us not get into breasts...!). If a guy goes by in shorts it's OK, the weather's hot, so what? If a girl goes by in shorts, she "doesn't respect herself" or "she's a whore".
And most whores, btw, don't do it for fun - in most cases it's a matter of survival. It's what you do to eat. That applies to males selling their bodies, as well.
What's the excuse of the men paying those women you mention?

How exactly do you know that men would be pigs and jump all over ugly women? Are you one? I don't even jump all over hot ones like that, I give women the respect they deserve. But had I been one of those pigs, I could guarantee I'd never jump all over an ugly woman. As I said though, I wouldn't jump all over any woman, they don't need that happening to them.

And excuse me, but there is a pretty big difference between wearing shorts and and wearing revealing shirts.

The men who pay for women to sell themselves have no excuse. But, if women didn't sell their bodies, there'd be no one to buy, either. Men have a tough time living and putting food on the table too, you know. Sometimes it's necessary to get a real job, no matter how demeaning it seems. If the woman needs money, she should get a job doing something else. By the way, what's the excuse of those women paying for those men you mentioned?

edit: Also, I want to ask, why did you start attacking men after it had been established, in the thread, that everyone here believes women should have equal rights? Did you honestly just come in to stir up trouble, to call men pigs? Doesn't sound like the maturest of things to do.

I hate radical feminists, too.

Originally Posted by snoop

How exactly do you know that men would be pigs and jump all over ugly women? Are you one? I don't even jump all over hot ones like that, I give women the respect they deserve. But had I been one of those pigs, I could guarantee I'd never jump all over an ugly woman. As I said though, I wouldn't jump all over any woman, they don't need that happening to them.

Yes, I am! And I was telling you what pig-men act like, not calling you a pig. I don't know you or what you do. Read more carefully.

Originally Posted by snoop

And excuse me, but there is a pretty big difference between wearing shorts and and wearing revealing shirts.

What's the difference between a boob and a leg? Howcome any bit of my anatomy grants anyone the right to disrespect me?

Originally Posted by snoop

The men who pay for women to sell themselves have no excuse. But, if women didn't sell their bodies, there'd be no one to buy, either.

Some women (and children) get sold (= don't sell themselves) because someone is willing to pay.

Originally Posted by snoop

Men have a tough time living and putting food on the table too, you know. Sometimes it's necessary to get a real job, no matter how demeaning it seems. If the woman needs money, she should get a job doing something else.

I never said otherwise - even mentioned male prostitutes in a similar situation. Like I said, read carefully. We all know jobs don't fairly pour over everyone's heads, wether they're great or demeaning (and what's more demeaning than selling your body on the streets, btw?). Some people don't have a choice.

Originally Posted by snoop

By the way, what's the excuse of those women paying for those men you mentioned?

None, although I was actually thinking of men paying men - which is more common.

Originally Posted by snoop

edit: Also, I want to ask, why did you start attacking men after it had been established, in the thread, that everyone here believes women should have equal rights? Did you honestly just come in to stir up trouble, to call men pigs? Doesn't sound like the maturest of things to do.

Where in all this forum have you ever seen me attacking men? Or did you confuse standing up for women with that? I am for equal rights and duties. I think of men primarily as people, not a sub-group based on gender, something I find a lot of people have trouble doing when relating to the opposite sex.
I'm not "stiring trouble", I'm telling you what the world looks like when you stand in a woman's shoes. You were the one that used the expression of men acting like pigs - I was merely quoting you.
You should really just pay more attention.

just one comment for the people on here who talk about hating "feminists" (or anything else) and then talk about being in favour of equality. THIS IS A CONTRADICTION IN TERMS. it is impossible to believe in equality when you wish to silence the voices/views of a minority group. i don't always agree with other people, but i don't "hate" them for their beliefs. haters are victims and ultimately feel the need to hate others to validate their own sense of self. if haters felt secure enough in themselves they wouldn't need to hate anyone, as other people wouldn't affect them so strongly.

Feminism =/= Equality

Originally Posted by Korittke

I assume you have absolutely no justification for that statement, yes? Because I've never actually heard one (a valid one, mind you).

Why is a cell that's made from a sperm cell and an egg cell morally superior to... a skin cell? They're practically identical except the skin cell is specialized whereas the conjoined cell is basically a stem cell.

Also, abortions can happen several months after conception and I don't think that it's a problem, seeing that even then it's still just a larger batch of cells with no specifically human individual characteristics. Like the woman's leg. A woman should be allowed to cut off her leg, hence she should be allowed to cut off other parts of her body.

no justification that once the egg and sperm join the process has begun? What did we learn in health class then? That after they join they then deliberate if they are going to begin forming a human or just another leg?

yes but that leg or skin cell will never have its own life. The batch of cells will.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

no justification that once the egg and sperm join the process has begun? What did we learn in health class then? That after they join they then deliberate if they are going to begin forming a human or just another leg?

yes but that leg or skin cell will never have its own life. The batch of cells will.

Let me ask you this:

Do you have a problem eating apples or any other form of plant matter? Hell, just eating meat is not a problem... right?

Originally Posted by bluefinger

Let me ask you this:

Do you have a problem eating apples or any other form of plant matter? Hell, just eating meat is not a problem... right?

I think you know the difference between plant-life and human-life...

Originally Posted by Grod

I think you know the difference between plant-life and human-life...

Technically, I'm trying to draw the conclusion of what constitutes as being okay to take life, both plant and animal life. The problem of saying that life begins at conception is that if you apply such strict rules on something like a clump of cells, then why shouldn't such rules apply to other life. After all, they are far more developed than a zygote, and some are even conscious to a degree (animal-life). A plant and an animal have a right to life, no?

Originally Posted by tkdyo

no justification that once the egg and sperm join the process has begun? What did we learn in health class then? That after they join they then deliberate if they are going to begin forming a human or just another leg?

yes but that leg or skin cell will never have its own life. The batch of cells will.

Now that is bullshit. A skin cell already has its own life. It's a cell for Christ's sake. Cells are alive. So technically, you're worse than Hitler just by scratching your eyebrows. Only because a conjoined cell CAN become a separate human doesn't mean it has any moral relevance. It IS NOT a separate human, so it's IRRELEVANT. My sperm cells CAN become human, when put in the right place at the right time. That doesn't mean it has moral relevance when I flush 'em down the toilet. (ref. my first post)

Face the facts: A sperm cell and an egg cell, each haploid, create a diploid stem cell. THE END. There's no fucking morals involved. It's just a cellular process that creates a cell as any other.
The "process" begins wherever you want it to begin. It's arbitrary. It can begin with the pickup, the dicking, conception, nerve cells or whatever. It's irrelevant. A cell doesn't have moral relevance, THE END.

you are the one spewing bullshit. for one, it IS rellevant that the cells will have human life, seeing as they are the only ones that can. You and I know both know there is a difference between a cell that lives and a cell that becomes MORE. For another your sperm cannot until it has been joined with an egg. Im sorry you cant see the difference between the two.

My other point didnt get addresesed still. Its not only the woman's the man took part too. It wouldnt be in the woman if not for the man as well. Its not really HER leg if you want to continue the analogy, it is THEIR leg. So, it should never be only the woman's final say unless of course the man is some dead beat runaway/rapist.

Originally Posted by tkdyo

you are the one spewing bullshit. for one, it IS rellevant that the cells will have human life, seeing as they are the only ones that can. You and I know both know there is a difference between a cell that lives and a cell that becomes MORE. For another your sperm cannot until it has been joined with an egg. Im sorry you cant see the difference between the two.

My other point didnt get addresesed still. Its not only the woman's the man took part too. It wouldnt be in the woman if not for the man as well. Its not really HER leg if you want to continue the analogy, it is THEIR leg. So, it should never be only the woman's final say unless of course the man is some dead beat runaway/rapist.

Technically, all cells become 'more' through cell division. So plants, animals, bacteria, all become 'more' through mitosis. Does this mean I have to stop eating plants and meat? Coz you know... gotta protect that 'sanctity' of life of yours.

Also, just an FYI, not every fertilised zygote attaches itself to the womb. It's only a chance if it does. So by your reasoning, a woman is a natural born killer. Also, ectopic pregnancies... where the zygote begins to develop outside of the womb. When such a thing happens, it will kill the mother long before the baby is ready to be born.

Men do not really have much of a say on the issue, again, it is not their body, it is not their burden. I would never impose my opinion on a woman's choice, I would never strip her of her choice because it is not my place to do so. Also, why should it matter with abortion? There's already enough people on the planet, and in a way it would be better to adopt rather than simply push out new ones. It's not like we are endangered species.

My distinction for when abortion shouldn't really be done is when the foetus develops to the point where it starts to show brain activity of some sort, a sign of consciousness. It's not so much life that I value, it is consciousness. A clump of cells is not conscious, therefore it is not important.