Quote Originally Posted by tkdyo View Post
You do realize when I said "more" I meant a conscious being right? Cause with that your whole other argument about other life goes out the window. I believe there is a natural order of things, and that sentient beings are at the top of it, so there is your answer on that.

Im not talking about "imposing" my opinion. Im talking from personal experience here. My brother's first fiancee was pregnant and she had an abortion without even consulting my brother. Can you imagine how devestating that was to him and my family? Needless to say she is an ex-fiancee now. If you think that the man having a say is "imposing" your opinion then we are on two different wave lengths.
Wanna talk from experience? My mother had to go through an illegal abortion once (due to locality and the laws of the land at that place in time), and nearly died from it. Not to mention, she had to go to work the next day so not to raise suspicions. Now, had she died, I wouldn't exist, so the picture ain't fucking black & white.

Also, did you stop to consider she may have not wanted to have a child? You can't force a woman to bare a child she may not want. To do that is to remove her rights to her own body. And to me, that is by far more disgusting than an abortion.

For the 'natural order', what sets that order? What is it that sets us apart from another ape? Life itself is not meaningful, it is consciousness. When the foetus develops to the point it starts to exhibit brain activity, then yeah, I would be against abortions at that term, but that happens at around 20 weeks onwards with the pregnancy. Before that, it can't even be said to be conscious, so what's the big deal?